As if we really needed "proof"

Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago to News
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He's playing games with language...

    note that he said, "your claim that *immigrants*..."
    Those concentrated along the border are not immigrants; they're illegal alien invaders, whom he's trying to conflate with immigrants.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a false choice. We should be able to respect human rights and make immigration decisions based on who will contribute.

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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you aware that the S Africa government gave up it's stand on apartheid and Mandea was elected president. Funny how he made such a mess of things that he couldn't get elected again for a second term.

    Next if you are implying that I'm proposing or supporting a Nazi world view, I have a few stories to share, but lets just say that like so much you say, you are just wrong.

    Holding that we must keep our border secure is far from Nazism. Failing to keep them secure leads to another 9/11, which was a direct result of Bill Clinton's failure to act on so many things.

    All you are listing is history. Not only that, it is history that has been corrected. None of it is pertinent to our current immigration policies.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not American law or the constitution, bill of rights or declaration of independence. It was a socialist wet dream I'm not bound by.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, you agree that we should use some criterion to identify those immigrants that we should allow in and those that we shouldn't. Glad to see you're on the same side.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Realy? Is that why the highest concentration of people on welfare is along the border? Is that not why people who have no skills cannot find a job?

    If you contend that immigrants are coming to our land and going to work in living wage jobs, show us the numbers. You surly can find a link to that.

    But somehow the BO administration seems to NOT be pushing those numbers as it's pushing it's open borders policies.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is not in the Constitution.

    I am not bound by the sentiment of Emma Lazarus.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
    ― Emma Lazarus
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    12 + 16

    Your claim that immigrants would not be able to pay their own way or become producers sounds like a baseless assumption.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't express just how insane this concept is. Are you 12yo? That's about the level of maturity your world view seems to come from.

    The purpose of the immigration dept is to find the people who will best benefit our society, not cost it untold thousands in support since the sluggard you would invite would not be able to earn their own way. Never mind ever becoming a producer.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The Pragmatics of Patriotism" by Robert A. Heinlein

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1165294...

    "Nor am I certain how good our chances are. To me it seems self-evident that any nation that loses its patriotic fervor is on the skids. Without that indispensable survival factor the end is only a matter of time. I don't know how deeply the rot has penetrated –– but it seems to me that there has been a change for the worse in the last fifty years. Possibly I am misled by the offensive behavior of a noisy but unimportant minority. But it does seem to me that patriotism has lost its grip on a large percentage of our people.

    I hope I am wrong. . .because if my fears are well grounded, I would not bet two cents on this nation's chance of lasting even to the end of this century. "
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have no responsibility to protect the dignity of any other creature that labels itself "human being".

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Porque means because, but it's pronounced almost the same as why, which is "Por qué" If they meant why it doesn't make sense to have a noun following it.

    Maybe it wasn't written by or for educated speaker. My guess is they meant *what* border did you come in though, and they didn't know "what" should be translated to to "cuál" in this case. If it was written by and for lawbreakers, they're probably not fastidious about the grammar.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is it our responsibility then to care for the worlds indigent? Does it matter if they are elsewhere or whether they can drag themselves onto something that is considered US soil?
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would expect you to quote that fool Jimmy Carter. As for Germans and Nationalism, there's a real match - again. Sorry got bored by it and could not continue the self abuse that arose from watching it further.

    Lets just agree to disagree on our world views. Continue yours shaped by marginal internet sources and fringe reactionary political groups and social rejects.

    what a waste.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In point of fact, the Obama administration is NOT feeding information to immigrants (other than that information provided by the State department).

    He may, however, be providing information to

    ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.

    Immigration ISN'T illegal, Maph.

    This isn't immigration.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Star: I'll have to disagree with you on the wage aspect - that should be a free-market issue only, not regulated by gov't. Other than that, you're spot on. There's nothing illegal about immigration, but it is controlled. Those who immigrate against those controls have done so illegally - that's what makes them illegal immigrants.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Porque" also means "why." So that question is really "Why did you cross the border?"
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not our concern to discuss how anyone will or will not contribute to our society. Our only concern should be to protect their dignity as human beings.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Regarding that word "falzedemeintia" in the above post, I don't actually know what Slavoj Žižek is trying to say there, but it sounds like a German word which has no direct equivalent in English. So I just guessed at the spelling, but I most likely got it wrong. (If there are any German speakers here who can understand what Žižek is saying, I'd love a more accurate translation.)
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