Barney Fife Meets Delta Force

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We allowed this when we sanctioned the war on drugs
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 10 months ago
    The Sheriff's Department in my area got a tank a while ago. The only training they received for this or any of the other toys they have received over the years was some brief instruction in how to drive it. So far, to my knowledge, they have used it twice, both times to serve search warrants (not quite sure how they did that--held them out a port on a stick?). The Sheriff's "Emergency Response Team" has a long history of having "standoffs" which involve nothing more sinister than a passed-out drunk who wasn't awakened by the telephone. More than once, they have surrounded empty houses, or the wrong house.

    "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" --Abraham Maslow.
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 10 months ago
      I really like your quote, is that Maslow the psychiatrist?
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      • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 10 months ago
        Yes. A brilliant psychologist who created the Hierarchy of Needs.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
          just watch out -- when you get to the top of his
          hierarchy, the order of elements flips ... check out
          how the excesses occur among the successful !!! -- j

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          • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 10 months ago
            At the top is "self-actualization".
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            • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
              you bet! and when "there", we tend to love
              experimenting with the bottom of the stack --
              food, shelter, "intimacy" with "family", etc....... -- j

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              • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 10 months ago
                Maslow's definition of a self-actualized person includes the phenomenon of needing "alone-ness" in order to achieve self-fulfilment (not at another's expense).
                He described the self-actualized person as needing very few people and having only a few good friends.
                The character Howard Roark in The Fountainhead is a very good example of a self-actualized person.
                Either you have been taught something that isn't true or your understanding of self-actualization isn't correctly defined. IMHO.
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                • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
                  Thanks, Teri! I used to teach Maslow as a part of
                  the National Management Association's certification
                  course ... and we came up with a few wrinkles,
                  including this one. just looking at those who seem
                  to be in the self-actualization stage (like me),,, the
                  desire for good food, housing, family and friends
                  is magnified -- I've quit smoking and gotten fatter,
                  with my wife built a house of some excellence,
                  gotten closer with my family and aspired to be
                  more and more like Howard ... Roark or Hughes!
                  and I can count my very close friends on one hand.
                  IMHO, as well. -- j

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                  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 10 months ago
                    Good. I as well have become self actualized EXCEPT have found that my family is incapable of crossing that bridge and I can't go back over it.
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                    • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
                      ok hijackers! I actually am ok with hijacking, however, I think this is an interesting conversation I want to comment and ask questions about-can one of the two of you make a post please? I think it is a fascinating and important concept
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                      • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
                        Kaila, the subject area is motivation, and Abraham
                        Maslow was one of the theoreticians;;; while there
                        are several others who are more "comprehensive",
                        his is easy to understand and reasonably pertinent
                        to enough people and situations to help in our
                        understanding of the subject. a good url is:::

                        http://psychology.about.com/od/theorieso...

                        we can start a post, but I would suggest that we
                        include others (McClelland, Taylor, Herzberg, Mayo ...)
                        if we want to explore. or, we could just start with
                        something like "what motivates you?" -- like my
                        favorite close-in friend question, "What do you live for?"

                        Thanks, y'all !!! -- j

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        • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 10 months ago
          I didn't think Psychology was going to be a good course when I took it in college but it was. I especially found Abnormal Psychology to be particularly valuable in understanding the internal motivations of others.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 10 months ago
    Yes, we now have a National Police Force (Homeland Security), we need them to keep us in line. It seems some police forces are being indoctrinated to join them rather than represent the needs of the local communities they are supposed to be serving. Speaking of lines, in the future lines will be important, we will have gas lines, bread lines, food lines, etc.. The people in these control organizations are, knowingly or not, being trained to be in charge, to rule what we do. These macho kinds of tools give them power and power allows them to do things they might not normally do if they were thinking for themselves. Ask any veteran that has been in combat, ask them how having the tools and ruling the situation made them feel, how getting shot at felt, how shooting back felt, and what being successful at it felt like. In no time at all, when they pull my comments out from the NSA, I'll probably be tracked down and shot or at least incarcerated for making them. But I don't see any need for these kinds of vehicles in this country except the military. They can only be used against us here, not a foreign enemy. What's next, miniature tactical nukes? If they put them on the borders that might be a different story.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 10 months ago
    Ask any of the remaining people who lived under fascism what it was like and the similarities between that and the described event. Ominous parallels indeed.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago
      The dangerous parallels are NOT among the power brokers. It's not the way the government is currently behavior that is dangerous or should be frightening.

      It's the way *the people* have changed. The willingness with which they now surrender sovereignty over their lives. Their ignorance of even recent history.

      I still say we were set up for this in the 70s. When gas prices spiked, and Carter emasculated us, telling us to get used to being just another country, to be content with less, etc. It was then that quality went out the window, in every meaning of the word. It was in that same era that the old-fashioned western view of "honor". Self-respect has become, instead of a necessity of life, a frivolous luxury. Shame has become a dirty word. Where once it was a signal of failure, of dishonor, of unworthiness of respect, now it's a PC code word. No longer is shame a tool to coerce positive behavior in the one feeling shame. It's now a weapon to hurl at whoever or whatever is making One feel shame. It's the person, situation, or object making One feel shame that is bad, not the One. Notice I put "One" in caps. People today are full of hubris, particularly those least deserving of hubris. Full of self-importance for no greater reason than their ability to avoid the abortionist's knife and get themselves born (granted, quite an accomplishment in today's culture). And they are taught this self-importance... this UNEARNED self importance, from cradle to grave.

      It is this failing of character that A) makes the current situation possible in the U.S. and B) makes the current situation so very, very dangerous for the survival of individual liberty and civilization itself.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
    As long as we are talking about Barney Fife, can I do a "Citzen's Arrest, Citizen's Arrest"? Seriously, these MRAPs for your everyday police force is beyond the pale.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
      Lol. A town that Hiraghm grew up in and I grew up less than 20 miles from, small and rural got an MRAP recently. The police chief for over 30 years is taking a ribbing for it. He got it for free and didn 't want to turn it down. Yes, the locals who enjoy a cup of coffee with him today are not thinking about tomorrow. Who is John Galt?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 10 months ago
    Tragic, and very sad.

    It does seem that some in the ranks of power are finally coming around to the utter failure of the approach used for 50 years to try to address drug usage.

    That said, the overall issue addressed in the article is that of the over-arming of our local police forces. Does this lead to a Rambo effect where they feel the need to carry out SWAT type actions where a simple knock on the door with a warrant would suffice?
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    • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
      This is just hearsay, but one time I was at a hair appt n the city where I lived. The hairdresser was married to a policeman who was in the SWAT division. He was describing an arrest for a a fugitive that had escaped a federal prison. Anyway, they had a lead on a car that was stolen and caught up with him in a busy intersection. He gleefully recounted shooting the tires of his vehicle as it slid through the intersection slamming into other cars, and the police cars all skidding into the intersection hitting other cars to stop him. In the end, the fugitive was caught, lots of damage to cars and several people hospitalized, but to him (in his late 20s) the point was to capture him, everyone else-get out of the way. all part of you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. The arrogance and self-congratulatory attitude of this swat team member sickened me. Like our city was part of a war zone or something.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago
      One of the most popular tv franchises in recent history is the "Law and Order" series and its spinoffs.

      I used to love this show back in the beginning, with Michael Moriarity as the assistant D.A. He was a paladin for justice, in those days. His character believed in The Law, and didn't believe in overstepping it just to get a conviction.

      They got rid of him, and replaced him with a cast of increasingly morally ambiguous characters.
      As some here know too well, I got to watching Law and Order SVU, mostly because I like watching Mariska Hargitay (side note: Jane Mansfield's daughter...)

      And I was appalled at the overstepping of authority that not only took place, but was considered morally acceptable and even mandatory. Witnesses, bystanders, even victims blackmailed and coerced into dancing to the police and/or DA's tune. Presumption of guilt, and therefore justification of massive rights violations. The protagonists of these stories would have been villains or crooked cops in tv series or movies of the past. I'm sorry, but I just can't liken modern cop dramas with "Adam-12" or "Dragnet". Those old shows might be corny, but at least they respected and honored the rule of law.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 10 months ago
    Let me first state that I agree with what y'all are saying.

    But.

    If I had a culture to design (kinda like a 'paint by numbers' design-a-culture kit) and I had a lot of extra APC's and stuff and I had a lot of ex-military turned law enforcement who knew how to use them (knew 2 such) and I WAS SURE THEY WERE ON MY SIDE...

    Then it might be nice to contemplate an America that upped the ante of Yamamoto's putative saying "You cannot invade the mainland US. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." to "...There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass and an APC behind every tree, staffed by organized war veterans."

    OK. This is dreamland. But it is a good dream. If these vehicles were not the 'hammers' that beg to be used against every thumbtack that is reported to Law Enforcement, then the dispersal of military weaponry amongst the civilian population would be an advantage, not a liability.

    Jan
    (Yes, I know that there is no written substantiation for Yamamoto having said that. But it does sound very much like him, does it not?)
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    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
      well, Jan, my neighborhood is well stocked with
      defensive hardware, as well as marksmen as well
      as markswomen (watch out -- they're deadlier!).
      and my '77 Jeep might double for an APC ... so,
      why all the FEMA stuff? if they are on our side? -- j


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      • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago
        "my neighborhood is well stocked with
        defensive hardware, as well as male marksmen as well as female marksmen (watch out -- Mandatory PC disclaimer about female dominance!). "

        FIFY.

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  • Posted by jpellone 9 years, 10 months ago
    I could have sworn that the National Guard was formed for the job of protecting America??? I believe our government is setting up to defend against the citizens of America!!!
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago
      I don't know the purpose of consolidating the State Militas into the National Guard, but prior to their nationalization (and being sent to fight in foreign wars from WWI to Somalia to Afghanistan), the State Militias existed to preserve the sovereignty of the the States...
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
    they're ready for an invasion which is slightly
    different from the one which has been orchestrated
    by the current regime. strange dichotomy of
    Topsy-type growths from the tree of fascism ... we
    right-wing extremists will have to vote to stunt its
    growth. -- j

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