fine analysis, Jan, and though I am afraid that we
would have to employ the military (not just the Guard)
to really close the border, we should. and, of course,
it is no fault of the children. if we kept them and
denied admission to their families -- sending them
back if family members wanted to come in -- well,
if we kept them and fostered them to adulthood,
they could well turn out to be better than average
citizens!

my conviction is that this is a conscious Cloward-
and-Piven tactic to kowtow the republicans into
accepting amnesty, and force the associated dem
tactic of buying votes to completion. a permanent
majority.

*we* got here honestly. *we* thought of the nation
as it was founded, with Norman Rockwell and Rand
as our standardbearers. the progressives, however,
did the opposite -- thinking forward to the society
which they could create, not accepting the one
in which they found themselves. starting with the
Teddy R and Woodrow W regimes, guided by Marx
and Alinsky and Cloward and Piven, never letting
up -- like an anaconda -- they have pushed and
twisted and tightened and regulated their way to
the present. *we* have been way too lenient.

May You and This Gulch live forever, perhaps
here in this great land. we do hope and pray,
somewhere!!! -- j

p.s. isn't it odd that it took a russian to show us
how to do capitalism? either odd or sobering --
we might have grown someone that good --
but the perspective of an "outsider" was a
very strong driver!!!

John PE -

I totally agree with you, John. I think that our border should be a semipermeable membrane coming in to the US (ie we let in whom we like) but completely permeable going out of the country (ie anyone who can get to the border can cross it). There may be some corner cases (hot pursuit of a vehicle that crosses the border) but philosophically I think we are in agreement.

The point I was trying to make was that we should not blame the children. Not fond of the snuffy-nosed halflings myself, but I do realize that it is the prerogative of the adult to protect the young of the species. So we should not invest emotions in 'taking it out on them'.

What we should do is to secretly tell Mexico that we are going to close the borders in a week (hence, from that time on all the children will be Mexico's problem, not ours; Mexico will not want that to happen) so that they have a week to tighten up their southern border security. Then - after the week has passed - we cut off all illegal entry to the US from Mexico. Why wait that week? Because I think that Mexico would be more convincing than the US in saying, "Game over!" to the Central American community. What we want is these kids to be kept at home and not have them make a one-way trek to the Mexican-US border and then be stuck there with no way home.

Perhaps this is not the most politically astute way of handling the situation (no doubt others can come up with better) but it tries to solve the problem without putting the responsibility on the children. After the borders are closed, we should take the children that have already crossed over into the US back to wherever they came from: irrespective of how much it costs, it will cost less than supporting them in the US for the rest of their lives.

You are again correct in that this is a novel way to seed the populace with a known source of entitlement voting. Really the only way to solve that is...the Gulch.

Jan

Jan, I view the U.S. like I view my property, our little
home here -- we welcome others very selectively.
our "borders" are secured with walls and locks.
we are ready to enforce the "borders". we currently
have about 12 people who are welcome here, at any
time. one of those is living here, rent-free, while
he prepares his future.

for some reason, our nation is incapable of making
sense of this. we are willing to admit people
willy-nilly. democrats expect that they will become
reliable dem voters. buying their votes through
amnesty is their con. this is a dangerous
situation.

it is sad that people who use common sense
are not running for office.

let's buy an island and admit only those whom
we want. -- j

I have worked with very young girls who were sold or taken for the sex trade industry in two different countries. Starving is better. Most die young from horrible diseases, are beaten daily, starved, drugged up and work 7 days a week. They are forced to have sex 15-25 times a day. Their teeth occasional get knocked out so they can not bite the customers parts. many try to kill themselves to stop the pain.
I have been told that the drug gangs in Mexico are using the rush of kids to side step and get more drugs into the USA

This is so insane that I have run out of vocabulary to describe it.

Why are we putting up with any and all of this? What does it take for us to get off our duffs and actually do something about it? I'm too old and tired to start something now, what's your excuse? How did the first shot of the civil war get fired? Who fired it? Were there public demonstrations before that first shot? How long did the demonstrations go on before someone moved? When is Mexico going to release our Marine that made a wrong turn? How are we going to support Bill O'Reilly's latest boycott of Mexican Tourism? What does it take to get noticed? I've found out it does no good to write your representatives, they just send out canned letters from their file cabinets and you can't actually talk with them. And if they don't agree with your point of view they don't even bother to reply. God Help Us, Please...

It's beyond voting anymore. We've got to repair the minds of those that do vote. We've got to repair the mind set of everyone. We've got to understand that we can't let our politicians get away with feeding us crap, no matter what side we're on, someday the sides will switch. Today some condone whatever as long as they get what they want, period. How do we make them understand?

Freedom is not a lie, only in places like North Korea or Iran. Actually in Iran they know what freedom is, but tolerate what they got or die. North Koreans might just be totally brainwashed and really have no idea what freedom is about. I'd like to see some resolution to todays issues before I croak.

How about a great new law? Make Atlas Shrugged required reading before you can vote?

Good, they're unionizing. That should kill off the industry in short order.

Yep. The U.S. Is now into child trafficking! Isn't that nice.

My parents were of the generation before the internet. They read the Dallas Morning News and watch the alphabet network newscasts. This explains their limited range of knowledge.

Any parent with regard for his child's future, I suppose. People scorn the child labor in factories during the 17th-19th centuries but fail to realize that the alternatives to a child working 14 hours a day was the thing called 'starvation' back on the farm. If you child has NO future in your own country but MAY have a bright future in another country and you see the chance to get him there, you throttle your parental emotions and do whatever you need to to get him to that other country, where he/she will have a chance. Where being abused in the sex trade may still be better than what awaits them at home (eg being abused in the sex trade at home whilst starving to death or being shot in addition). This represents a rational choice on the part of their parents.

Let me be clear that I think that what is happening is deplorable on our parts - we should not let/have let these children in, we should not subsequently let their families in to take care of them (ie absorb US resources) here. I think that a border should be a semi-permeable membrane: anyone not in prison (and perhaps some who are) should be allowed to depart at whim; only those people whom we want to have immigrate into the US should be allowed through the border into our country.

Right now, probably the best solution is to shut the barn door before any more waifs get in...and figure out what to do with the ones who are already present. It is not the fault of the children. It is the fault of the US for having provided the ecological niche for this opportunity to present itself to desperate parents in poverty.

Jan, not fond of children but recognizing the strength of parental love

I'm reading about this type of crap daily here in Phoenix. Sheriff Joe is scalding O publicly. I and many others are DEMANDING that Gov. Brewer deploy the Az National Guard, with order to repel invaders with force where necessary. Mexican parents who have allowed their children to be ported out of the supervision, into a foreign land, and kept like animals in cages should be publicly horsewhipped. Those here are evidence of TREASON by the Oministration and O should be held criminally liable. All of these people and those 15-25 million who have squatted here need to be sent packing.