THE DEATH OF THE BAKKEN FIELD HAS BEGUN: Big Trouble For The U.S.

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago to Economics
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An interesting, and sobering, review of how and what is going on in the energy market, and how it will play out in the next few years. As usual, all the politicos are late to the party (wanting to build pipelines, etc) and will blow billions on something whose need is past.
SOURCE URL: http://peakoil.com/production/the-death-of-the-bakken-field-has-begun-big-trouble-for-the-u-s


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    Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 7 months ago
    Oil production is a function of market prices, which are down. Many drilled wells have been capped awaiting a rise in market prices, and numerous fields haven't even been drilled for the same reason. This article borders on fraud.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Doc, as Freedom says, there is a bias there, but I still think the basic statement of the fields failing is true, simply because they were never a success financially, due to the nature of it, the waste and the over estimation of what was going to happen and costs, which then ballooned. A lot of the detailed "predictions do seem to be lacking in clarity and facts.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 7 months ago
        Nick, I live in the middle of oil country, and can't avoid following all aspects of the business. None of these firms pursue losing enterprises, and the profit margins for fracked fields are substantial when the price per barrel is at $50 or above. There's plenty of resource at a tidy profit when the price is right.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 7 months ago
        Nothing "natural" about it at all. The Saudis decided to flood the market to prevent our country's wells from being profitable.

        I'm sure they will pay off quite well the next time Saudi or Iran decides to embargo us.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
    Consider the source site's bias.
    In a free market wouldn't it be sensible to reduce production when prices drop precipitously as oil and gas prices have in recent years?
    Besides that free market fact, the discoveries of other such fields (possibly even larger) that are as yet untapped are ignored by the author and adds to the irrationality of the author's conclusions.
    I think there may be reason to doubt the entire hypothesis that oil and gas are the result of fossil decay, and hydrocarbon fuels may have a different, possibly renewable, source. I am open minded on the topic.
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    • Posted by Ed75 7 years, 7 months ago
      I agree with FFA. Hard evidence of depletion at the source has not been presented. It would appear that the author is only basing his hypothesis on symptoms rather than cause.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
        You are correct in that there was no causality proven, it may be that the profit margin for cracking is so low it is not worth it to produce.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 7 months ago
          The profit margins are being actively driven lower by Saudi dumping on the market. They even admitted to that fact and that their goal was to bankrupt American producers so that they could once again jack the price back up to $100/barrel.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
      We heard a lot about "peak oil" in the 70's that hasnt happened so far. I suspect you are right that this site's bias is showing through.

      Production HAS gone down as prices are reduced and demand has fallen. The free market has taken these steps.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      I think his hypothesis is based on the output vs the total debt carried and the fact that it was trumpeted as a huge gold rush. The overall investment in it is not matched by either it's output or longevity. I also think he was focusing solely on that one field and it's implications for what happens as demand does drop, because overall reserves should be up based on the huge claim of the West Texas oil fields announced a few weeks ago. BY the way, the Germans made oil and gas from coal, but not efficently. As far as a renewable goes, I am not sure there is a provable method today, as it is basically an energy state change, so you need to convert a set amount of energy into. I am not an oil or energy guru so I just thought the premise he proposed was interesting from the aspect of what will happen to ND in the next few years, when they thought they were on the road to riches. Also, I wonder what that means to the Canadian Tar Sands.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
        My comment regarding free market forces were based on the drop in price arguably from a decrease in demand due to the debt bubble popping. Thta has caused drilling, exploration, and production companies to cut back activities and production until demand and prices recover.
        My comment on renewable energy was based on the possibility of hydrocarbon fuels comming only from decay of fossils being wrong, and the possibility of hydrocarbon fuels being created (renewed) by natural forces within the earth instead of or in addition to fossil decay.
        For example:
        http://principia-scientific.org/russi...
        http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/

        I defend neither of these theories of the source of hydrocarbon fuels, but I think either or both could have validity.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
          Hi Freedomforall,
          The recent decline in oil prices was caused by the Saudi's flooding the market to try to preserve their market share. This action is the result of the tremendous success of fracing. Saudi actions have slashed cap ex for exploration and production co.s in the US and giving time for the Global Warming crowd to build momentum against our countries vast resources and energy industry.

          I have often wondered how so many fossils and plants could have died and been deposited 4 miles under the sea floor that is 2 -3 miles under the surface of the ocean!
          Regards,
          DOB
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
            Dob, I would also say that the "unreported" recession in China, which they tended to hide, as well as the constant improvement in mileage (my 2015 Hyundai Elantra gets 40mpg, and is not a slouch, or small car like Fords Fiesta was) is contributing. The Saudis were playing with the market, and the politics of Iran being let off the leash also had an impact, I believe.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          That's fine Freedom, I am not disparaging anything you posted, it all is good debate, and also the articles are very interesting, The mention of methane reminds me that one of the "horrible consequences" of "global warming" is that the permafronst is said to have billions of cubic feet of methane locked up, it would behoove someone to come up with a way to tap it. I would assume some brilliant chem engineers could figure out an efficient way to make a fuel from it,although something else is that the byproducts of combustion probably should be considered in it as well, if feasible. But it would address 2 or 3 problems at once.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 7 months ago
    "Those who moved to the frigid state of North Dakota with Dollar signs in their eyes and images of sugar-plums dancing in their heads will realize firsthand the negative ramifications of all BOOM & BUST cycles."

    Personal note: Those of us who have worked in the gas/oil extraction business long enough, know the boom/bust cycle exists. And how to work it. From 1981 to Feb 1983, I was a company driver outside of Lysite, Wyoming, and made (and saved) enough to pay for my Doctorate at the U of Wyoming.

    When hauling tankers in the Pinedale Anticline from 2006-2010, my best year as an owner/operator was a gross of $246,000. A coworker, went to the Bakken, started a hauling business and at his peak, had 117 trucks running for his company, grossing $3,000,000+ per month. The key factor is to KNOW that the bust is coming and plan accordingly.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
    Hi nickursis,
    I would liken this article to the stories in the 70's that said at present growth rate of consumption extrapolated forward we would run out of oil by the end of the century. The price shock of a drop from $125 to $30 now $45 is what has caused the cap ex cuts and the decline in production not the lack of oil.
    With Regards,
    DOB
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 7 months ago
      According to the US government, we have had only 20 years of oil left since production started in the 1880s. Why would they change their tune now?

      I just hope the feds are prevented from buying up Bakken land so that some future Democrat or Green administration can decide that its oil will never see the light of day.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
        Jan, I think a lot of them are Federal lands, and they sold the mineral rights. The Republicrats made a lot of money selling drilling rights in the midwest, gulf and Alaska in the 80's and 90's.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      I would not argue that point, I think it was wrapped up in there somewhere's when he was discussing how cost/price work together and what price is needed to recoup their 35Billion in the hole. I don't see them ever regaining it. It seems that fracking may be an expensive mess.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
        nickursis,
        Since the price collapse the cost of mineral rights the cost of drilling rigs and improvements in fracing is already bringing the expense of exploration down significantly. See what the E&P co Pioneer Natural Resources has done. The industry is experiencing bankruptcies for the over levered. Those assets purchased 4 to 5 years are liquidated and sold based on current market conditions i.e.: price of oil and estimated or provable reserves.
        With regards,
        DOB
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          Yes, I am not arguing that point, I agree that there is also a whole component of financial manipulation in the whole equation that was not addressed. Just as in the whole mortgage mess, the bond mess, and every other mess created when people try to sell something of no value, for huge amounts, or borrow on it.
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  • Posted by tohar1 7 years, 7 months ago
    I for one would much rather pay a little more at the pump if I knew the source of my fuel wasn't supporting domestic & global terrorism. Pretty sure the folks in North & South Dakota and the rest of the Bakken region are pretty harmless folks...
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      It would be nice to have such a choice on the assets stolen from us by looters, too. A sizable portion of the production of those harmless folk ends up being spent by the fedgov in nefarious schemes to gain power and wealth for themselves and those who paid for their campaigns.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 7 months ago
    Regardless if the bakken oil field dries up or not the US has big trouble ir better said is in big trouble. our savior oil companies can get oil from all over the world cheaper than the bakken field could give us. Just read the news of the day; deblaiso is not alone in wanting more muslims here as does this lunatic soros. need I say more!
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  • Posted by dbhalling 7 years, 7 months ago
    I think this is an alarmist article. The output from Bakken is dropping because the price of crude oil has dropped by over 1/2. This is not surprising at all.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Yes, Dale, I am pretty sure that the point of it is just that. It is an interesting take on a specific area of energy production, totally leaving out everything else and then sliding into "buy gold". However, the most interesting part is the assumption that the reduction is because of lack of availability, vice financial sense based on demand. The comments section is actually sort of funny, calling the article "fraud" in some cases. Maybe I should have put it in humor.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
    Man-O-Man!
    I'm sure glad that some folks in the Gulch know what's going on.I would have taken the article at face value until I had a chance to check on it, you guys have done it for me. Three Huzzahs!
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 7 months ago
    How can it really affect the US? T Boone Pickens saying that we have trillions of cubic feet of natural gas we could draw from as fuel. Why would a lose of one field could really cause a problem?
    If we could get the transportation industry change fuel to natural gas instead of gasoline that would slow the depletion of US oil fields.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Yes, natural gas is currently burned off in a lot of fields, mainly because the cost of holding, processing and transport, is not equal to the price. I would love to see it's use increased, in that in a lot of ways, it is cleaner and mere efficient, as well as not a lot of effort spent to improve it's use because of the perceived issues of storage and containment.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 7 months ago
    If true and accurate, which I doubt, It still projects out to 2030...did anyone really think the well would produce for ever? If Government and the non-competitive establishment got out of the way...we'd have those common sense and renewable alternatives. Solar and Wind are not the end all answer.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Carl, Freedom has some good links to some interesting articles, where the theory is that oil is not just a result of organic matter, but is a chemical result as well and under the right circumstances, will renew itself.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 7 months ago
        I read similar articles...hot bed controversy with the establishment. Some older played out well now showing more oil. There is also the thought that surface charging during a CME event may play a role as well.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          Interesting. So, by that idea, maybe buying a bunch of older "depleted" wells would make sense and hold onto them...
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 7 months ago
            Ayup!...by my calculations, even if there comes a non-oil fuel...we will still need or use oil for other things.
            I also feel that corn, aside from a few ears during summer, should die a slow death. It's NOT cost effective, uses up a ton of natural resources in the ground and is not particularly healthful for humans nor animals...it's for the birds, perhaps.
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  • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 7 months ago
    'Peak oil' a discredited concept if ever there was one.
    Here is a web site with peakoil as its name.
    The usual carbon climate alarmist content, Noam Chomsky is interviewed on global warming. .

    The third comment down says it all-
    " These are just lies propagated to try to pump up the price of oil, which is way down and suffering from a glut on the market "
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  • Posted by bassboat 7 years, 7 months ago
    This guy has apparently ignored the development of battery technology over the past 10-15 years. That will only get better. As for oil I've been hearing about "Peak Oil" since the early 50's. This guy is simply an ivory tower theorist with no common sense.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      I amnot sure he cares about how batteries have changed, although the "single focus" approach is always inaccurate because it does not encompass the impact of other associated sources. Look at supposedly Tesla is going to provide a battery system for a city to use, I did not read the article but applications like that will have impact.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
    I do not always trust what me dino reads.
    Hark! To say, drill, baby, drill, or not to say, drill, baby, drill, that is my question.
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    • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 7 months ago
      allosaur,
      haven't you heard; believe nothing of what your read (ayn rand is the exception) and only half of what you see!
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
        I was just hoping someone would answer my question without a ? so I may decide whether one or hopefully more of you knows what you are talking about pertaining to the yes or no of drill, baby, drill..
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 7 months ago
          Sure drill when economically when profitable but much of that stuff is not from past allosaurs and their kin but from the little things of the sea and that goes back billions of years further to when land animals were nothing but a dream in the mind of Einstein's Old One.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
            Good to know dino poltergeists won't be rising up to wreck motorized vehicles.
            Those of you who don't get what I'm saying watch the end of the original Poltergeist when it turns out that the house sets upon a graveyard concealed by the real estate developer.
            Me dino did not see the remake because they almost always stink.
            The remake for The Night of the Living Dead is a wonderful exception.
            The Village of the Damned remake is fair to middlin'..
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