Don't forget Yonaguni. It is something that is amazing, in that it is clear evidence of something going on. If built prior to the Younger Dryas impacts, then it would have been seaside property. From Nat Geo (and who doesn't respect them?):
Some experts believe that the structures could be all that's left of Mu, a fabled Pacific civilization rumored to have vanished beneath the waves.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne...

yes, there is some strong archaeological support for civilization well before whats currently believed. Many cities have been located just of the coast, under water, of many continents.

Hopefully, my novel will turn out well and everyone will enjoy the possibilities I present. :) (yes, I'm constantly promoting - shameless)

Well, they did only push back the possibility a couple of hundred million. The real point is it sort of does not fit in the Creationist model very well. But a lot of stuff doesn't do well in that model.

Indeed, scared the crap out of the Russians who found it too. Then everyone went ooh and ahhh as they realized another taboo topic had been demolished (life cannot exist in space).

"Repaints it" every time. As it should be. Until you come up against the Luddite "We know it all because" crowd. Then they go get involved in politics and become Dumbocraps....yuch.

Go read or listen to "Magicians of the Gods" and "Fingerprints of the Gods" for an explanation of why everyone may have been looking in the wrong place, as well as all the pain and suffering a few scientists have had to absorb because the had data showing that the "mainstream accepted" story was not quite correct. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support eh lost civilization theory, and how it may have helped the current round. It also ties together a lot of myths and legends into a workable framework.

AJ, the data is there to support a scenario of an advanced civilization around 14 thousand years or so ago, that was taken down by the Lesser Dryas impacts of 11,800BC. It has nothing to do with beliefs, in that there are incontrovertible facts of stone working in South American that we cannot do even today. Without a clear track to establish a factual timeline, though, ideas like that will continue to be dismissed as "fantasy" despite the fact no one has an alternative. I too, am not sure everything can be laid at the door of Darwin, other than he did make a good case for evolution progressing in established species, but that how that appears in each case, is not clear. The fossil record for man leaves a lot to be explained still. The Hobbit People of Flores Island are an example of finds that change most standard perceptions.

Exactly! Oregon is a paragon of using hot button labels and politically correct science to explain everything. That is also why they want to pass a 6.5 billion tax increase "for the children" which, when you read the law, will never go to the damn children. Everything is about selling a pile of crap as gold, just because they spray painted it. It still stinks in the end. What I have seen about "Global warming" adds up to "Maybe the climate is changing, and no one can prove one way or another root cause" So, instead of blaming certain parties, find the best ways to deal with it, protect against the bad parts and maybe find a way off the rock to ensure humanity's survival. But the power to manipulate, lie and skim money is too strong for the greedy politicos, and those who would make a buck off misfortune and problems.

This is certainly going to have some scietists doing much revising while others hotly debate and we all gasp in wonder. I wonder how many understand the true significance of this discovery. 3.5 or so Billion Years? Holy Smokes.

I'll make up my own mind about that -- and anything else > don't need someone to do it for me.

I'm not arguing anything. While I may believe differently than others I do not push my views on anyone else. We simply do not know where we came from no matter what anyone says. I find the revelation of new information, information showing that man is likely much older than what anyone claims, to be intriguing (particularly because it coincides with the primary theme of my new novel).

I can more easily believe in Creation or planetary seeding before the extreme reoccurring unlikely jackpots of darwinian evolution. But I wouldn't (couldn't) deny someone else the right to think differently and welcome conversation.

AJ:
AGREE, 100%.

Literally...

Hi OUC,
+ 1' s .Had some run-ins myself also . The knowledge of what happened tens of thousands of years ago in some cases is etched in stone and in other cases shrouded in mystery.
Good day to you!
DOB

Hi nickursis,
History has shown us that firmly held beliefs are defended by the mainstream and often the new discovering indivdual is shunned and ostracized or often ripped off. John Kerry says if you deny man made global warming you are unfit for public office. Oregon outlaws teachers from discussing alternatives to man made global warming in schools. Exxon is under fire for their climate studies differing results. The label is denier. The intent is to stifle discussion. With the statists global warming agenda , looting and control are the goals. In the gulch rational consideration of evidence and the implications of such should be the norm.
Have a great day.
DOB

Dawkins blew away the "blind watchmaker" argument for creationism decades ago, yet you persist in using it. One of us is being irrational here, and I don't think it's I.

Discuss away.

It happens in other places too. Apparently, all the people in the Gulch are not enlightened to the same level of careful consideration of facts, and want to pursue agendas. That belongs to the political party gang, not here.

OT: I really appreciate that here we have intelligent, thoughtful comments and discussion on this and so many other subjects.
One only need peruse the comments below most news articles to appreciate those of Galt's Gulch.

Everything is recycled, even the surface of the earth itself. But what if it wasn't? I've always thought it would be interesting to formulate a plot for a book on the finding of some area of rock that had never been subducted by plate tectonics, rock that contained evidence of some ancient civilization or other fantastic finding.

Well said AJAshinoff and +1.The planet has been evolving for 4.3 billion years what we know is the tip of the iceberg so to speak. Thanks for the post and new info.
Regards,
DOB

A stealth agent of the Darwinist Inquisition strikes again. LOL!

Wish whoever keeps down voting these posts would show some balls and discuss the matter RATIONALLY. Why are you here if you can't look at the facts and discuss its potential impact on how we see the world. Isn't that what Rand called re-evaluating your premise when new information comes to light that can shape your position?

Shameful and cowardly.

Agreed, science goes through this every now and then...we've seen big changes in scientific understanding throughout history and here it comes again. It should start with a question mark beside the info, then we set about checking it out, seeing how it stacks up. But it takes honesty to acknowledge what doesn't work in the memes of the present.

Even so, new data, looked at objectively, kind of repaints the picture of man's foot print on the planet. I don't "get" the fixed mindset that can't conceive that we don't already know everything and that what we do know is open to revision the more we learn.

We have some ardent darwins on board, AJ, I've had my share of run-ins. I already +ed 1...can't do it again as you know.