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Libertarian Gary Johnson gains ground by screwing up

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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An interesting take on Gary Johnson (Libertarian), even down to quoting a New Yorker piece for his "love of Ayn Rand", as if it was some kind of bad thing. Maybe bad in the eyes of the current regime, but may actually spark some people to go see what the fuss is about...I actually found his reasoning about why "looking bone headed" but admitting it "is a good thing" interesting.
SOURCE URL: http://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/columnists/frank-daniels/2016/09/10/libertarian-gary-johnson-gains-ground-screwing-up/90141264/


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  • Posted by rbunce 7 years, 7 months ago
    Not knowing the name of cities in Syria that have been devastated by the Syrian civil war is irrelevant. Knowing that the US has no vital national interest in getting involved in the Syrian civil war is relevant. Sounds like a good job for the UN to handle.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Nothing is a "good job for the UN" to handle. They have proven since 1945 to be an incompent stage where specific powers can abuse their trump card authority, and countries can make grand displays of blather about how much they care. Then they try to weasel the countries that agree to bend to their will into doing whatever the goober heads decide is "what is needed". It is a dysfunctional front for a whole lot of agendas, big and small. Too many tragedy's have gone by with UN "expression of regret" and similar crap for them to have any credibility. The US stood into the world power game because the UN has never worked. It enables politicians to manipulate various circumstances to their own ends.
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      • Posted by rbunce 7 years, 7 months ago
        ... and that is what I was looking for... the UN to again fail, especially without US military power to muscle over the mess so it becomes a US failure, on something so irrelevant to the US.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          I hesitate to embrace "relevancy". I would have thought that 9/11 was relevant, as it was used to start 2 wars in the Middle East, and yet there is still many unanswered questions about it, and they spent less on the investigation than they blew on "the blue dress stain". After watching "Kennedy" and seeing how much effort went into showing, in public, that the whole thing was a fabrication and setup, I am completely untrusting of anything our government calls "relevant". Each little thing they come up with seems to be someones special little plot for whatever they are pursuing, and the country as a whole never seems to be on anyone's list of things to consider.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
            The word as used by the government is a different meaning and purpose. Government especially the military likes to have a nice clean mission accomplished atmosphere and the 'word' is passed on what to and not to say. That is falling apart somewhat this year. Even the military is standing back from their Commander In Chief. To outside the government organizations it's a matter mostly of money or advertising. For example those that fully support childrens issues think nothing of filling TV with violent cartoons and sugar laced cereal commercials. to pick on one part of the industry. Pre-Owned? Give me a break, It's as used car I do the YouGov poll every week and you can see the differences.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
      Good thing they didn't ask him which parts of the Syrian population were in the most danger. Christian Arabs? Jewish, Bahai, There has been no Syrian census including a question about religion since 1960, these are thus the last official statistics available. In the next census of 1970, the religion statistics were no longer mentioned.:[5] 92.1% Muslims(4,053,349) including 75% Sunnis, 11% Alawis, 3% Druzes; 7.8% Christians (344,621) and 0.1% Jews (4,860). I'm missing one that's no longer even mentioned but was on the State Departments List of those most threatened and made eligible to immigrate. Instead we got unvetted Jihadis

      It's a good thing he wasn't asked before Alawiz became a tirade about color and Sunni or later

      How many of those minor threatened sects were brought to safety under Obama and Kerry? About fifty. Out of a proposed 55,000.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
        I am amazed at how many stories are around about the Yazadi minority, and yet no one wants to mention them, maybe because they are not a registered special interest group....yet screwed the most by everyone.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
          There used to be a set of figures readily available but I can't google them anymore. On the percent of Syrian Refugees allowed in the country The groups under the most threat and danger were the non muslim groups and within that grouping Druze and Kurds. They had the lowest amoiunt of approvals for entry.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
      They aren't capable and the relevancy is Obama is in competition with Putin for some leadership award or another. ha haha just kidding. Why does it have to be relevant. That's the government's business not mine and they have told me that on many occasions. Above iyour paygrade - and if you object will raise your taxes and lower your paygrade.

      I jest but the relevency is the part of the cycle we are in right now. Having cut the military in half slashed the payscale and taken to using private military units for everything from maintainence on the B2 and F111 while getting rid of the only decent aircraft out there. it's now time to have a crisis which calls for re-manning, ha ha ha person-ing no won't do re-soldiering with all new implements and tools of the trade thus taking care of one large batch of businesses and union employs the present Prez can go out on a note of having brought peace to the world but the next one will get blind sided and....anyway it's a cycle that includes lots of big words like inflation, devaluation and hell no we aren't going to pay what we promised to you old retired bags of future worm feed. and that's the way it goes. The relevency is nothing is close to relatively relevent to anything.

      Next item .. purple dresses.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 7 months ago
    Our buddy Gary here is no libertarian.
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    • Posted by IamTheBeav 7 years, 7 months ago
      I wouldn't even begin to argue against your point, but is it even relevant? Donald Trump is no Republican or conservative in any traditional kind of way. Hillary Clinton's version of being a Democrat ain't exactly the friend of any working man I ever knew.

      The truth is that I am proud to be a Ted Cruz guy, and unless he does something to betray my trust, I suspect I always will be. That said, I'll take Gary Johnson over Hillary or Trump any day of the week. There's plenty not to like about Mr. Johnson, but at least I can look myself in the mirror afterwards knowing that I don't have a Trump or Hillary vote on my conscience.
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 7 months ago
        unfortunatly a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary and she will take us to hell faster.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          You can have that view, or you can vote your own mind, even if it is contrary to what may be the outcome. The problem is it is a group fgrope system, so if the herd of lemmings want us to go over the cliff, they will drag the rest of us who are saying "wait a bloody minute, what about the damn cliff?" Proof of a bad system that does not respect the individual rights and lumps us into a Darwinistic mob, doomed to kill everyone, even if they know it will.
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          • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 7 months ago
            You could make the same lemming analogy regarding people voting their own mind or their conscience. The mass still ends up dragging us all over the cliff.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
              Well, I disagree, in that the lemming analogy specifically implies the mindless group think. The individual has no real ability to change the overall group pattern, which is why politicians pander to groups and only to powerful or wealthy individuals. When was the last average person invited to a political benefit? Thats why they are 3000 dollar a plate functions. The problem with the whole system, it is all a game of "move the group your way", and fundamental principles and individual freedom and responsibility are antithetical to that.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
          It boils down to individual choice. Remember the Three Laws of Objectivism. I use the lesser of two evils when the choices are both evil. But Law Two? Prove it to myself and most stuff about people is BS. My rule is there is no difference in evil if you support it you are one with evil.

          So I asked for information and facts and sources on Mr. Trump. Myself I like None of the Above by not voting the best but realism and objectivism plays a part. I also like a Constitutional Republic and that 240 year old document.

          Well nothing surfaced that was new and wasn't suspect. An answer such as posted that before isn't good enough. to serve nor answer a test of Law Two 'is it useful.'

          I found if you treated Trump as the long sought after outsider it was a different view and that's not a sole opinion. Is he useful in retaining our Republic and Constitution? Yes he is. Is he evil? No he is not.

          Law three demands we make our own set of values and ethics all that follows. Back to the beginning it's an individual decision as long as one honors it and lives up to it as best one can do so,.

          Which brings us back to your point. Beav I guess one fo the new people holds to his line of thinking without further comment. EWG points out the fallacy of good intentions.

          So what is the greater sin. I can vote None of the Above and help lose the Republic or I can 'use' Trump as a tool to derail that effort.

          Odds were put this way. Your fear is a 100 percent certainty with Clilnton in office. Johnson and Klein are message candidates. Johnson holds a key amount of support but has come down to many times to the left. All to my evaluation, Trump has been savaged by this years version of dirty bimboism by the party who should never mention such topics. Kept going and kept learning. Still he is in gambling terms a lottery candidate. What iyou see is what you get but now it's not a lottery ticket it's tweo percent. That's more like draw poker. But it's not a one hundred percent certainty for death of a nation.

          That's a rational way of looking at it and if it works none of the above etc. are a possibility.

          so....Law Two and Law Three and pick your own winner. I vote for the Republic and the Constitution. I don't factor in subjective wishful thinking.

          Best I can tell you because here in this forum yiou are always on your own. And thee is never anyone to blame or applaud but yourself.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        Are you suuuurrrreeee. That it isn't a Hillary Vote. And what's the difference between Johnson and Clinton. It's not the anti constitution stance so let's try hmmmmm Her foundation made more money than his New Mexico Debt? Or He's for 50 States with recreational toking versus her plans to enhance the taxes on it?

        How does that stance square with being a Cruz guy? Mighty wide separation. Cruz favored 10 commandments. Johnson got more laws passed in New Mexico than that and didn't even mention gun control.

        However he did veto around i700 measures and his controllable debt was only 5% or so the rest of the 7 percent total was federal money and programs. So he gets credit for 5/7ths of the debt increase not the whole one hundred percent which would have been more in a 60% Democrat legislature had he not voted against those measures assuming they were fiscal in nature. Thee is a question on kickbacks to Hollywood of 25% of any money they spend filming in NM. That one is still to be tracked down. It happened but all the info is not yet gathered.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          I am not sure anything can be catagorized as a "for or against" in this mess. The Beast is a clear no choice, Trump really does come off as a very strange cookie, and Johnson is not exactly on top of things. They all have less than stellar performance records, it would seem they are all well suited to be CEO's, but not of the country. Our politics are now "who has the largest special interest group", and when they win, it takes more and more graft to satisfy the debt, which always comes out of our pockets, whether it is the Republicrat special interests or the Dumbocrap ones. Johnson will just bring his own smaller group into the game, which may be the only saving grace, as it may be less costly to let him have a go at screwing things up, not that it takes any real skill.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 7 months ago
    The article suggests the media identifying a supposed screwup caused Johnson to gain ground. I also think he's been gaining ground, and that caused the media to look for a supposed screwup.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Well, I think it is clearly implying that the media as a whole seems to think without controversy there is no interest. That was whay Trump was such a dark horse, he had a lot of interest from people who usually are not vocal. Maybe they are now looking for someone else to replace him given that he has not exactly seemed to be well thought out and having a capability to make mature decisions, with the way he has talked lately. But yes, they imply that controversy=interest.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
    Gotcha!
    That was clearly a gotcha question for a candidate
    who wants nothing to do with the wars of the Middle East.
    That was designed to help Shillary.
    Me dino ain't for Gary but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Of course it was, the media as a whole is just a functionary of specific political and financial interests. I think they are just letting Gary go as far as he can just to continue to mess up an already screwed situation.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 7 months ago
    It's true the media is so eager to report the candidates' next stumble, they neglect to serve the public interest in serious consideration of policy. In spite of some distinct details published, the media still accuse Trump of having no real positions; even their darling, Clinton, finds no publicity for her platform; Johnson, with distinct policy statements, is treated as an oddball; Stein is dismissed as "Bernie lite."

    The resulting hideous concoction stewed up by a media drugged out on life as a reality show does no service to the public. What's amazing is the lack of MSM perception as to why the public is abandoning them in favor of the new online nonstop information world.

    As much as we hear that everyone should favor a global market, the U.S. media severely criticize a public that looks to foreign news sources for a different perspective. It should be embarrassing when real American news is first released on a foreign site, but for U.S. media trained to wait until it's told what to say, the facts don't seem to matter.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
      Johnson and Klein by proper political definition are called Message Candidates. Each has a message to put before the population. Neither are viable beyond that purpose. We have what four states now or is it five approving marijuana and one for recreational purposes. That's message number one. Klein? Hug A Tree. That went out when the pot growing areas no longer needed a cover story. Message candidates work until they get boring and the difference betwen the other two in four way or two way as of today is two percent.

      Libertarians had chances to enlarge their party and gain recognition. They chose to go with Johnson instead.

      Greens did better in that respect and still may try for four years of recognition.

      The rest is a sixty day race with damaged goods politician versus outsider tactics from the business world.

      but yiour statements were not wrong and were right on the money as well I just used a little different perspective and a few facts of the day to support it. In my quest to set out the real race

      Socialist Autocracy featuring Comrade Clinton

      versus

      Facts not Fairy Tails.

      Stuck on nine percent is hardly a laudable showing.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
    I'd be more likely to pay attention if the publisher of the article had given their endorsement to Johnson instead of quoting biased rubbish from socialist media. These scum are experts at twisting language to mislead and escape the blame they so justly deserve. The "screwup" was by the interviewer, but media rarely accepts any responsibility for their harmful acts.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Well, it seemed to be more "ambush" media than "interview", however, I think their point is still valid, the overall media and the huge bulk of mainstream is only intrested in the "gaffe" and the "screwup" vice the real character and person. Trump is a good example paralleled by the Beast, the media circus around them is almost exclusively looking for what they screw up.The Obamacare debacle was also the same, 30 second soundbites and stories with no proof, and then strongarm tactics on top.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
        Except the media is biased to ignore Hitlery's crimes until it's unavoidable, and to negatively misinterpret every word of anyone who might prevent Hitlery's rise to Commissar. They have suddenly realized that Johnson is more a threat to her than to Trump, a fact that has been apparent for some time because of Johnson's strategy (alleged by some to be un-libertarian.)
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        • Posted by $ Sgtill 7 years, 7 months ago
          Little wonder that they would be looking at him over Hillary, especially the democrats that feel betrayed by the Bernie sell out. Johnson states that he agrees with Bernie Sanders 75% of the time. So really this guy is a LIBERALtarian.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
            No, had you bothered to read the details of his comment you would see he agrees with Bernie on things that are not related to being a liberal. Johnson's primary agreement is on fighting unnecessary wars (empire building for the corporatocracy) that create more problems for Americans. The liberal Dems (and neocon GOP) have been in favor of this stupid policy for 2 decades.
            Liberals aren't promising to close down the Dept of Education, balance the budget by reducing spending (including cuts to welfare state), and eliminating the income tax completely. Johnson promises all those things. In those areas, Trump is more liberal than Johnson.
            Bottom line: check your premises. Analyze the details and use reason to draw your own rational conclusions.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
            And he does hold the key to 9% or is that really factually but 42 plus nine is 51. Why Johnny Boy is that your pay and play price for a key position and ...John Boy what makes you think Hillary will honor the deal?
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
            And he does hold the key to 9% or is that really factually but 42 plus nine is 51. Why Johnny Boy is that your pay and play price for a key position and ...John Boy what makes you think Hillary will honor the deal?
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          Well, I am not sure if the media is biased because they are just that way, are paid to be that way, or are just as stupid as all the sheeple who "love" her. It must be in the water...or a virus...or the damn aliens again...
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  • Posted by gpecaut 7 years, 7 months ago
    Just think about it. After the internet is turned over to the UN, the ability to find any "real" facts may be lost, except when they agree with the UN's agenda.
    He (Johnson) may have read Ayn, but does not fallow her ideas any more than Ryan. I fear no one running is a believer in Rand's warnings. The question is which one will do the least damage.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      I am not sure we should limit the ideas Rand showed to just her, and thus limit them and allow others to cast a pall over them by calling them "Rand ideas". A lot of her ideas are shared by others who may never have considered her, but who respect the individual and their freedom. The whole "who controls the internet" thing is indeed a quandry, as I am unsure just how it is protected from unscrupulous beings who seek power and control.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 7 months ago
    Gary Johnson may not be a libertarian, and he may have screwed up, but he is gaining ground because he has a new radio ad campaign that effectively points out the problems of the current two party system. I like the ad, but I am no longer as enamored with him as I was when he was governor. Several politicians governed well as governors, and since have taken positions in the last few years that are contrary to how they governed.
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      Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
      how is he gaining ground. from a couple of polls with 12 and 13 he has dropped back to 9.1 and today 9.0 . You have a lot of spinning to do to justify that statement. Notice...The two way and four way percentage averages are posted here on a daily basis. Not my fault you didn't read them.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
        I'm not sure we can trust any polls, it all depends on how the questions are cast. Is there a true independent polling system left anywhere's?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
          realclear.com is a poll of the polls and there are a few others like them. The biggest problem and they do correct for it is they often do not know who to poll and it skews the figures that way. For example using conservatives as a catch all and for that matter liberals causes the most discrepencies but that's where margin of error comes in with a margin of 3% for each or eight point spread 3 plus 2 plus 3 possible the two percent difference though has been tracked over the weeks since the conventions and the bumps occur where they should. Johnson not getting a bump from his add was two things. It's a reminder of 50 years of Republicans saying the same thing so poor choice of words and probably lack of sufficient ads in enough markets. There was no variance and a previous uptick of 12-13 in some areas went bye bye when averaged out.

          The polls were at one time seriously offered as a replacement for voting but they went to far when they added focus groups.
          So....for now realclear.com and a few others. The slanted ones startled me as two of them at least still have Trump in the lead but are Clinton supporters. Unless they are distancing themselves???.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
    I used to have a Leppo, but I sold it in a garage sale. Too expensive to maintain.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      You probably know, Herb, my first thought was, "what's a Leppo?"
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
        You and Gary Johnson.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
          And apparently a lot of voters who don't give a looter's ass about it when the annual fedgov operating deficit is $600+ billion, unemployment is really over 15%, and real inflation is over 8%.
          Stop the meddling. Vote Libertarian.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
            I must admit that I really like the way Johnson handled it.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
              i agree. Which is why I bothered to look up the facts and see them post it. The usual garbage came my way of course So this time I gave tit for tattle. Either he joins me in this unexplained fully situation. Or He goes or I go I really don't care which. I want to see some objective honesty in how this was handled and some freedom for all speech. I can understand being on the losing end but that's debate ability and Johnson is a nine percent message candidate. Like it or not. Besides we aren't supposed to get along with the Libtards but I supported them anyway with facts and ideas to improve their standing. Enough.of being nice to thick people. I have fled a counter complaint and asked for fair and open to the public in this forum judgement.
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                Michael, don't take it personally, we all should be able to discuss and not get all overheated. Facts are facts, and and facts will show who has what track record. Right now, all we have to pick from is a collection of goofballs, freedom just likes his goofballs a little different. I have seen a few people who are committed to one or the other, the only constant is I have yet to see a HillaryBeast supporter in here, or even anyone try to justify looking at her as any kind of option. It's frustrating to say the least.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
                  The serious ones left they couldn't take the requirement for facts etc.
                  By the way there has been a change in the percentages in the four way no change but in the two way clinton picked up .4 for a 2.4 lead and the declining sign is no longer listed.

                  four way
                  RCP Average 8/26 - 9/11 -- -- 41.9 39.9 9.0 2.9 Clinton +2.0

                  two way

                  RCP Average 8/26 - 9/12 -- -- 45.8 43.4 Clinton +2.4

                  Facts, Accurate as much as possible, updated as often as possible.

                  As for his governor ship record he was only responsible for 5/7ths of that increase and had a Democrat legislature to contend with vetoing 700 plus bills.

                  But I dont find him a strong supporter of the Constitution nor a Constitutional Republic.

                  You really haven't figured out who the Hildebeasters are? The techniques are about half Radical Reasoning and the other half is Lykoffs manual for secular progressives "Dont See The Elephant."
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
            and get a repeat of New Mexico's doubled debt. How going to vote Libertarian with a DINO - not - on th e parties empty platform. Nine Percent. Same as before. You picked rotten fruit when you picked cherries.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
              Stop repeating misleading statistics, Michael. It hurts your credibility (and the rest of the non sequitur comments have the same effect.)
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
                You mean you are the only one allowed to do so? Take a hike. Mine come straight from a reputable source. You have no sources. http://Realvote.com if you don't like them post your own., I just did a nice one for Gary J. on the NM budget and found out he was not responsible for the entire debt doubling. What did you do? And please don't look in the mirror to try to describe me. Now you may go file another complaint. But be sure you mention who attacked who first and be prepared to explain to everyone why you are 'so special.' freedomforall. Only if the agree with you. Nov 9th will you still be here in an objectivist site? Why?
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                • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Your posted reply had nothing to do with my comment. (Follow the dotted line to see what post you answered.) Your reply repeated a accusation against Johnson that is false, The facts about the NM democratic legislature creating the NM budget and Johnson's numerous vetos were posted earlier, but you repeated the misleading data ignoring the real explanation. Instead of you claiming to be a hero for finally checking the story to get the truth, you should be apologising for repeating the misleading data. . Instead you toss out more insults without any basis in reality. It's best to take time before sending a posting to carefully examine the content of your post.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Thats weird, I went to go to real vote to see what they say, and Intel blocks it "as a potential threat". I didn't know a place that has facts is a threat...hmmmm...
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
                    Maybe they are getting leaned on at another level. Not many people openly published in military.com a question to the active military people on how they viewed the current situation and their oath of office. I did get zero answers and did provide enough info to find me should someone want to discuss the matter. But leaning on a site like this did cross my mind given the current situation - government wise.
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  • Posted by $ FredTheViking 7 years, 7 months ago
    Interesting article. I am beginning to wonder if people in general have decided to the exact opposite of what the big media tells them to do. :) it would explain Trump's success.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 7 months ago
    That "screw-up" shows something I find fundamentally wrong: that people who haven't traveled abroad, don't believe in foreign countries, and still less in foreign enemies. Not deep down where it counts.

    I, on the other hand, have traveled abroad--to Canada, the UK, and Israel. So I know a fact or two about the world that Gary Johnson either doesn't, or doesn't think is important.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
      In your travels did you get the idea that governments versus governments are one thing and people to people is something entirely different? With exceptions of course but in general.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
    1 Islam

    1.1 Sunnis
    1.2 Shi'a
    1.2.1 Twelvers/Imamis
    1.2.2 Ismailis (Seveners)
    1.2.3 Alawis
    1.3 Druzes

    2 Christianity
    3 Judaism

    3.1 Syrian Jews
    3.2 Israeli Jews

    4 Yazidis
    5 Hinduism

    Even this list was incorrect as it doesn't list Ba'hai.

    But the one that slipped my mind was Yazidi.

    With 55,000 proposed and a great many from the Aleppo area Johnson should have had some knowledge and with places like Pyongyang or his opponents names and perhaps hometowns and birth places. Quick without thinking where was Johnson born and what is Clintons name?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
    Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
    RCP Poll Average 45.8 43.4 Clinton +2.4Trending Down
    4-Way RCP Average 41.9 39.9 Clinton +2.0Trending Down

    My My Oh My now for the rest of todays story

    RCP Electoral Map 209 154 Clinton +55 (IS THAT ALL?)
    No Toss Up States 311 227
    Slippin and a slidin creeping and a climbing She say You don't luv me no more?

    Where have all the Ee-leck-torials Gone? Long time ago?

    So???? Here's the real one check this out.

    Average 8/26 - 9/11 -- -- 41.9 39.9 9.0 2.9 Clinton +2.0

    Notice it's the same plus 2.0 ha ha ha ...Klein and Johnson drop again....

    That boy needs to decide which side his butter has the bread?

    Up to date and uip to the minute. When Clinton drops out how many of them will vote for Klein and how many for Johnson...hmmmmmmm????

    She forgot her underarm spray since yesterday?
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