Agreed! Maybe start a few threads of discussions you would like to have?

Lately?

The Firefox display image in my OP
( http://i47.tinypic.com/14pv7r.jpg )
is more or less what you see in Chrome and derivatives (Comodo Dragon, e.g). as well. Which tells me the accessibility problem is at basic browser standards level. Which further tells me that probably nothing will be done until the Grey Panther lobby gets angry enough.

Articles are great, but I would like to have more real discussion. Getting in arguments over articles that are dumb to start with isn't really stimulating.

From reading the book, I envisioned a place where accomplishments are shared and praised, objects are looked at as what they could be, and the process that would create objects.

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I've been an enfant terrible round here lately, CatieM -- good to see you, though!

I can't believe that was unliked. I brought you back up for your humor. The view ability makes me cringe a bit. Not to fit with the norm, but I like the forums that are outlined. Subject type then following top threads below. I am organization freak though.

OW - You are in the best place for getting that info as soon as it becomes available.

I would like to see plans for Part 3. : )

Mooch, we changed it such that reply threads can only go so deep. The thinking being that there is probably some point where further depth of comments is not that productive, plus there is the space issue you mentioned.

Do you have any further thoughts on how best to address that particular issue? Or os something like what I described what you had in mind?

....which might be the part they understand....for starter purposes. (The government=looters...we have a right to keep what we earn etc.)

That is one metaphor to use, except saying "this is a story about the government" still couches it in politics.

"Terms they can understand"...I think I might be right back around to The Giving Tree idea.... ha (Depressing.)

You're exactly right. It's a slow, step-by-step process. You don't just start in with metaphysics. You say things in terms they can understand.

I fear a philosophy type of an approach would be even more foreign to them than a political conversation....although I attempted to bring up a bit of both in our last conversation. Maybe my real problem with this is that we have very little time for conversations and I'm wishing for some sort of fast path to get them clued in. With all the stresses in our lives and our crazy schedules when we managed to carve out time to get together it's supposed to be "fun" time and I'm being seen as such a downer (not that that bothers me), but I'm getting nowhere. There is no short cut through a journey worth taking. Maybe I'll just get that last sentence printed on a t-shirt and hope they ask what that's supposed to mean. Wow..I have just reached a new level of desperate. lol

Hmmm that makes me think...maybe I should wait for a comment like that and then say...."Ah..yeaaah,...YOU'RE the tree!!!" However, too many people don't think like us or realize the tree is a stupid F@#$. At any rate... I STILL don't have any better ideas that would help me with my dilemma. :)

I think the key is not to start with politics, but the application of philosophy to their lives. The politics will come later.

It's funny you should bring that book up.
A friend of mine handed it to me, said it was one of his favorite books, and waited while I read it.
When I was done and I had handed the book back to him, he asked me what I had thought.
He was *shocked* when I answered: "Stupid f*cking tree."

Me.
Oh, you meant the *website*... nevermind.

I would like some ideas on how to introduce, discuss, engage, and educate those around us who have absolutely no interest in or have any clue about anything political. (I'm tempted to start handing out copies of Shel Silverstein's The Giving Tree with a note that says: "This is a story about the government...and you're the tree.") I'm at a loss here people.

Accessibility's a bitch, isn't it?

Every individual can zoom in or out on his browser based on what is most comfortable for him.

Proper zoomed-in display for us warm prune juice and Geritol chaser users (you know -- the bulk of the Atlas fan base) would be an improvement: http://i47.tinypic.com/14pv7r.jpg

I can understand (but not condone) ASP's kicking the less bottom-line-crucial seeing and hearing impaired base to the curb, but you really ought to think harder about your bread and butter.