Megyn Kelly to Dick Cheney: "Time and Time Again, History Has Proven You Got It Wrong" on Iraq

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 11 months ago to The Gulch: General
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This interview with Megyn Kelly is about the
op ed piece I posted by Dick Cheney.


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So she pushed a lie in order to give him a chance to rebut... a lie?

    "Do you still beat your wife?"
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's possible. It was just his opinion. The cultural differences makes sense. Not sure this matters but the person I spoke to went on to work for the NSA. Currently retired.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know what "ignorant towards the soldiers" means. The Japanese are very "shy" people (and quite arrogant, in my opinion, probably comes from being an island people). They have learned English in school for decades, but will refuse to speak it unless they have confidence that they speak it very well. There are very significant cultural differences between the east and the west. Most young soldiers haven't had the cultural exposure or sensitivity to be able to handle those differences and hence stumble into problems just through ignorance.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I agree. I began to include in my comment that the continued and even more expansive restriction of individual rights by Obama's group indicate something dire in the common perception of the differences in the two parties.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was a little surprised that more people didn't take note when Obama reauthorized the Patriot Act. I would guess that many on the left assumed he would allow it to expire.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I spoke to a former military guy who told me Japan was the worst place he was stationed. He said they were ignorant towards the soldiers. His opinion.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Germany and Japan are not bad allies or economic partners, but neither thinks that they owe us anything for helping rebuild them. My father was in Japan during the rebuilding (during the Korean War). He told me the US military was despised there at that time.

    No country gets to economic prosperity because other countries make them so. This is a corollary to AR philosophy. They have to get there on their own.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago
    Again as I commented in a related post of Cheney's op ed, Cheney and his cabal of neo-conservatives (American Globalist Imperialists) seriously damaged this nation using the excuse of fear of terrorists and WMD's. They did more to reduce the unalienable rights of the American citizen than any other administration - Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, the beginnings of the current and ongoing financial crisis.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very well said Shivas. I think we can back to setting an example for the world but not with this administration. We need to keep electing the best people available. Eric Cantors primary loss is encouraging. It doesn't matter what letter is next to your name, if you do wrong by the voters you're out. I still think we can set things right again.
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  • Posted by shivas 9 years, 11 months ago
    This is a difficult topic to grasp for many on both sides of the issue:

    On the one hand...I'm against the nation building thing for all reasons stated: it doesn't work, it creates enemies, and the looters take advantage of the situation providing weapons, and the entire supply chain behind the effort. It perpetuates the military industrial complex and like all business they want a growth industry. Unfortunately they are dependent on the American public voting for hawks and interventionists and many of our politicians are all too happy to oblige for their contributions.

    On the other hand...there are totalitarian regimes out the that essentially enslave their subjects and treat others worse than property (see honor killings and female castration). Like most, this conflicts with my morality.

    To top it all off, the left has seized upon the general belief that Bush and Chaney were lying to justify the current administration's continuous fabrications. Like that is a reasonable justification.

    Once upon a time we set the example of what liberty and freedom could create and others tried hard to emulate us. But, it's a long process and it's painful to watch other humans suffer at the hands of tyrants in the interim. Is it too late for that to work again or in this era of instantaneous and graphic information have we become too squeamish?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well then, it seems my reasoning skills aren't all that bad, being that I had no other information beyond what I gathered from the news, and my own logical thought process. Maybe I'm not the Neanderthal that some seem to believe. ;-)
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, I don't know. Germany has been a rather good economic partner and within their regulated capabilities a military partner as well. Likewise, Japan has not been that bad of an ally. Can we despise them for being better capitalists than were we? As for France, Italy, most of the rest of Europe, they certainly haven't been of much benefit.

    I was thinking that your comments were relating to the payments to the MilIndComplex to outfit the military. While there is some truth to that, most of the expense has been paid directly and indirectly to the foreign nations in the form of base leases, local materials procurement, and the money that troops stationed there spend in their economy instead of in ours.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct. I know some WMD's were moved to Syria. There may still be some in Iraq, too, but that I don't know. My source is someone whose job it was to blow such WMD's up safely.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You allude to facts that don't seem to be in the public domain. If you have access to said facts, then you are able to make evaluations that I am not. But based on the available evidence, Saddam believed that he had WMD. Based on his brutality and ruthlessness, I find it less likely for his subordinates to lie to him than to us.

    Without other evidence, it is my hypothesis that said WMD are either buried in the Iraqi desert or were spirited to Syria.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In saying this, I am going to sound like a Democrat, and I am definitely not a Democrat. Going to war for people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain is way too easy, because the defense contractors reward them with campaign contributions in exchange for their calls for war.

    Likewise, the unions, particularly teachers' unions, reward Democrat politicians in exchange for pillaging the rich to increase the salaries of union employees. This is most true at the city and county school level.

    What have we gotten for our nation building? The only country we helped rebuild that is worth anything to the United States is South Korea, and even their support for us is tepid. We get virtually nothing for our nation building. These countries should appreciate our effort. They don't. They mock us. It is time to be more selfish.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct here in what you say about Dick Cheney, Robbie, but he and GWBush had a false premise as I wrote below.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. Challenging interviews are always better. I even thought the HC interview by Bret Baier and Greta VS earlier this week was a good interview and she handled herself much better than she had with the several softball interviews over the past couple of weeks (darn it).
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think so. They were questions that have been asked and needed to be answered. Providing the forum was a service to him and his positions.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps, and if so, that would have been an indication that we didn't leave enough. Impossible to know now. What is obvious is that not leaving any was an open invitation to what has occurred. Particularly with Malicki behaving the way that he was.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.


    Not leaving a stabilizing force behind didn't help the situation in Iraq any. That is true. However, if after Europe, Japan, Iraq, and Afghanistan, we haven't learned that nation building is a waste of time, we should have our heads examined. The reason we do it is not to mitigate the spread of communism. The reason it is done is to enable the right wing cronies to support the Republican Party in much the same way that Democrats enabling unions starts the same vicious cycle on the left of the political aisle.
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