Gary Johnson Is Not A Libertarian

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In the video link, ta da~
Gary Johnson is FOR forcible vaccination.
That is NOT a Libertarian!
Gary Johnson is FOR a carbon tax because he believes climate change is "man-caused."
That is NOT Libertarian!
Gary Johnson is FOR shutting down bakeries should any refuse to sell gay wedding cakes.
That is NOT Libertarian!
Gary Johnson is FOR (the George Soros supported) Black Lives Matter.
That is NOT Libertarian!
Gary Johnson is FOR TPP or global government on steroids.
That is NOT Libertarian!
Gary Johnson calls Shillary "a wonderful public servant.
That is NOT Libertarian and IS completely off the wall bonkers! Go listen. He says it.
Gary Johnson is a social justice warrior.
That is NOT Libertarian.
New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson inherited a $1.8 billion debt and left it with a debt of $4.6 billion.
That is NOT Libertarian.
Want to see Goofy Gary get mad? Say "Illegal immigrant" to his face.
That is NOT Libertarian.
SOURCE URL: http://www.infowars.com/gary-johnson-is-a-complete-idiot/


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    Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
    Dino, thanks for modifying Paul Joseph Watson's idiotic title for the article, but your title is not accurate either.

    Gary Johnson is a Libertarian. His campaign messages have been purposely less focused on libertarian issues than previous campaigns because those campaigns L O S T and accomplished practically nothing as a result of their trumpeting ideology that voters can't understand.
    It didn't work before and it won't work now. Libertarians can be like Hillary supporters and just wish the reality was different, or they can accept reality and do something that expands the libertarian message.
    I don't agree with everything Johnson has said, but those things are not going to show up on Johnson's desk for action, so while I disagree it's a moot point.
    The things that Johnson has promised to achieve are much more important and when achieved will make the other items irrelevant.
    1. Close down the Dept of Education which will end the fedgov's propaganda monopoly and make it possible to the truth to be taught, and reason and achievement rewarded.
    2. Balance the federal budget by reducing spending
    3. End the Income tax on productivity This alone will completely change the face of America and the economy for the better.

    Paul Joseph Watson is not libertarian and doesn't agree with libertarian platform. Not very surprising that he supports a statist Trump dictatorship instead of a statist Hillary dictatorship. Posting is rubbish from a completely biased source. Paul Joseph Watson is an irrational loon based upon his completely biased writings.

    Better verify before posting, dino. The first two in your list are lies according to this:
    http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/26/lib...
    That puts all the rest of the claims in doubt as biased reporting as a source that supports evil in fear of Hillary.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      That "webpage can't be found."
      I won't vote for Gary if just because he thinks illegal aliens are just wonderful.
      That human flood is an economy killer and killers will be--are already--among among them.
      We already know how Muslim refuges treat women, little girls and little boys in Europe.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
        Sorry, dino. I had to re-enter the whole post because of a typo and I didn't get the link correctly. My fault.
        Here is the link again:
        http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/26/lib...
        I have posted this link about 4 times in the Gulch because of misleading false articles about Johnson's stance on those issues. Biased writers don't care if what they post is true as long as it supports their irrational views. (Not referring to you, dino;^)
        I don't agree with Johnson on immigration either, but Johnson's stance is consistent with libertarian principle of open borders. His experience with immigrants in New Mexico is obviously better than what you and I perceive. However, imo, Johnson has other more important and more far reaching issues right, e.g., income tax elimination, and cutting budgets for transfer payments (which means no support payments to illegals that encourage them to come and stay without producing.) The explosion in job creation that removal of income tax will bring will overwhelm any immigration issue, imo. The other candidates will not solve the problem because their solution is more government, (and an unlikely wall that would be a big drain on the economy, a big tax on consumers if built using tarriffs, and a blow against free trade.)
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          Gary sounded better in the fixed link you provided; but if there is a libertarian principle of open borders like you say, then I cannot be a libertarian or a Gary Johnson supporter.
          Safety first. Without sufficient security, everything else goes to crap.
          I should know. Between 1982 and 2013, I used to be security for someone in a variety of forms.
          Respectfully yours, Me Dino.
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          • Posted by Jer 7 years, 7 months ago
            Liberty first, Dino. Without liberty security is meaningless: There is nothing worth securing.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
              Liberty needs security.
              Communism also needs security.
              So I get your point.
              Liberty ain't the insanity of open borders, though.
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              • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 7 months ago
                I think it was Ben Franklin that said: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both".
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Well, since Ben Franklin said that, let's just throw open all the borders and swamp ourselves with Muslim hordes like Germany did. That worked out well, but we'll be adding maybe up to a million Hispanics to the mix.
                  But what the hey? Rape prevention will be not letting our women and children go outside.
                  And we can always use guns to protect our homes.
                  That is, if all the new Dem voters elect people who would let us have any.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
                But Communism is the insanity of open borders meaning they want to enclose the world inside one border. Theirs. One of the mainstays of the philosophy that begat the left in the USA aka progressivism. The argument between Putin and the Mullahs is one of WHO in control. It' also a main plank in Hillary's platform and here answer is ME!
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              • Posted by Jer 7 years, 7 months ago
                Open borders
                is not insanity. This country was built by immigrants in the first place. In the second place the current immigration laws are indeed insane. In the third place I agree you are not Libertarian. Hopefully you will not have to live under the kind of government the people you wish to deny are required to live under.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Be sure to leave your home unlocked tonight and hang a sign that says "Come right on in for free stuff" on your every door.
                  But what would that be? Insane? Yeah, "insane" strikes me as an adequate description.
                  How would you like to have a home on our present southern border right now?
                  Back in early 70s I crossed the Mexican border and drove from Mexicali to Tijuana just to see what there was to see.
                  Today I wouldn't go five miles near that border.
                  Up until recently I thought the Libertarian platform at least cared about public safety.
                  But when it at least comes to open borders, I guess Libertarians are like libtards.
                  Well, me dino sure as hell ain't like no lib anything anymore, I reckon.
                  I'll go back to calling myself just a Constitutional conservative.
                  No mo' "L's" for old dino.
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                  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 7 months ago
                    "(W)e support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property." -- From the Libertarian Party platform.
                    http://www.lp.org/platform
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                    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                      I decided to copy the whole thing~ta da!~

                      "3.4 Free Trade and Migration
                      We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of humans as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property. "

                      The above reads kinda conflicted to old dino. With all that "unrestricted movement of humans" going on if not zooming past, how do we spot and sort out any potential bad guys? Rely on tips?
                      I first became leery of Johnson when I heard him say all you needed to beat a fence was a taller ladder.
                      I'd like to hear his opinion about all the Muslim refugees Obummer wants to swarm into the states "unrestrained."
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                      • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                        C'mon! C'mon! Someone defend all of 3.4 as stopping bad guys from packing themselves in 18-wheelers that go zoom over the border.
                        Was it Ross Perot who proposed we have four lane super highways where truckers do not stop going either way at the Mexican border?
                        Some goofball did around that election time.
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                • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 7 months ago
                  This country was built by immigrants.
                  The current immigration laws are insane.
                  Therefore, we should allow criminals and ISIS members unrestricted entry into the country.
                  Have I presented your argument correctly?
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                  • Posted by Jer 7 years, 7 months ago
                    The insanity of our current immigration laws is that they are way too restrictive. The immigrants who built this country could not even get here legally today.
                    I have no objection to restrictions on criminals and those who would come here to damage and cause harm, but that is not what people seem to be saying. They seem more concerned about immigrants not paying taxes or working on jobs that should go to Americans.
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          • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 7 months ago
            As an active Libertarian of Arizona since the LP beginnning over 40 years ago, just a few days ago I set out to read their platform.

            https://www.azlp.org/platform.php

            It's way obsolete, and just plain awful -- little did I know! Then we see Gary Johnson carrying our banner, and he offers nothing better than the Big Two. Leaves me in a big pickle but then, we're all there!
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      • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 7 months ago
        Another spot on comment. And we also know how they treat anyone who does not believe in Sharia law. There was a poll done recently that asked the Muslims who are living in our country if they favored the elimination of our constitution and then replace it with Sharia law. Almost 60% of them said yes, It's thought that the percentage is actually higher, but some of the Muslims who were polled were probably reluctant to tell the pollsters what they really think. Yeah, we sure need more of these people.
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
          How many Christians would replace the Constitution with Biblical law? We still cannot buy beer on Sunday before noon here in Texas. All of the arguments against gay marriage are based on religion, not civil law. "In God We Trust" was put on American money first on coins during the Civil War, then on paper money when we were at war against godless communism. (Godly communism was always approved of.) Christianity was used to justify slavery - nothing in the Bible speaks against it.

          I agree that Islam is a problem, perhaps the last great problem in the West, but is just one aspect of a deeper error.

          And where did you find that poll? Who ran it? What was the actual question? How did their find their Muslims to ask?

          Try this one:
          http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/th...
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          • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 7 months ago
            A famous talk radio host talked about the poll some months ago. I'm not in favor of not being able to buy a beer on Sunday or some of the other "Blue Laws," but that seems mild when you compare Sharia Law that says no to all alcohol and that all homosexuals should die. As far as your comments on Christians and the Constitution, believe what you want to. I'm not going to fall into the trap of another religious discussion in The Gulch.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
              Suzanne try this in various forms. "If God Wanted Me to Know That (or not know that) He would say so - since he hasn't it's not my business. Why? Don't you believe God is omnipotent and infallible?"

              Depending how the words are switched around it fits every occasion.
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              Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
              Christians also would persecute homosexuals and a wide class of other "sinners." Among the many reasons that the Pharisees and Sadducees asked the Romans to arrest Jesus is that they did not want their boys exercising naked in gymnasiums like Greeks -- Simon called Peter, Luke, and others were Hellenic Jews. The problem is religion, per se, not some special brand of it.
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                These days Christians are persecuted by organized homosexuals and (again I stress the o word) organized atheists.
                I get mail from Christian groups asking for signed petitions and donations to get organized persecution groups as well as the government off their backs.
                I know some homosexuals. They don't bother me. One even plays the piano during Christian church services.
                Some Christians actually follow the teachings of Christ.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 7 months ago
            "How many Christians would replace the Constitution with Biblical law?"

            You tell me. I don't see them calling for it. I see them trying to retain a right to believe what they want in spite of Obamacare and the Federal Government.

            I can cite you the CDC studies on the STD rates among homosexuals if you want an argument against it. Or the suicide rates. Or the future of children. Or the morality in general. It's not just a religious argument. Religion presents some of the most potent arguments against homosexuality, but they depend on someone believing in the continuance beyond death.

            "Christianity was used to justify slavery"

            Uh, you're going to step in a hole going after that one. You show me where in Christianity's teachings they encourage slavery. You won't find it. And note that the slavery of the Old Testament is nowhere near the same as the slavery of the Africans.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
              But it was OK to enslave citizens on ships for 10 to 20 to 30 years and flog them for infractions and then go to church services with out pause. We call ti the draft these days. Law still in force and ready to use at the drop of recuriting quota. And you will still find people who swear it doesn't exist even though their own son(s) signed up for that evil law. Something the Democrats fully support I might add.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
              Sure. In most every Southern Christian Church prior to AND after the Civil War and that is part of history. Claude Pepper D Rep Florida was famous for saying things like 'some people will need us to take care of them all the time hey can't take care of themselves.' The excuse most commonly given,

              Try the Hillsdale Course and the go look at something like America's Forgotten History series by David Ledbetter to make sure your school didn't leave anything out ha ha ha.

              It was still being mentioned in college level history courses in the 60's not as an approval but as a part of history.

              It's like saying the USA is not the biggest practitioner of Apartheid in he world.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
            Fine. Let's replace the Constitution with Sharia Law.
            I''ll legally migrate elsewhere.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
              Where? Been looking without a satisfactory answer for 15 years.
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                Where ever I can escape from Sharia Law.
                I'm a Christian. I prefer death over a forcible conversion. I much more prefer escaping that decision.
                Think they'd want Christians dead before they moved on to killing atheists. But I may be wrong.
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                • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Lots of well armed Christians and atheists in America at present. You should be pretty safe from Sharia law until gun confiscation, and that would likely result in civil war.
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                  • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
                    Me dino got guns and lots of ammo too.
                    I also live in sweet home Alabama
                    But flood this country with Muslim refugees?
                    I'll be 70 in March.
                    I'll likely be gone before Muslims grow fruitful and multiply in order to take over.
                    As for my grown kids and their kids, they may have to move to a Hindu country like India.
                    I never heard of a Hindu terrorist, though some seem to think rape is okay until they are arrested.
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                  Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Christians, Muslims, and (unassimilated) Jews are all of one kind, very much like practicing Hindus and - when you get down to fundamentals - communists. What brings you to Galt's Gulch, a focal point of the Virtue of Selfishness, Reason, and Reality?
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
          It seems that you are referring to the Center for Security Policy poll that was reported by Breitbart and others.

          http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.or...

          By contrast, the broader survey found that a 63% majority of those sampled said that “the freedom to engage in expression that offends Muslims or anybody else is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and cannot be restricted.”

          The broader problem is simply assimilation. Give it time. The label "Cosa Nostra" was given to the Mafia because of a chance comment recorded by the FBI. One of the Mafia dons complained that the FBI "wants to interfere in you know cosa nostra." It means "our thing." The old Sicilians felt that they should be allowed to bring their old world customs of reprisals to the new world. Why should the FBI care if mafiosi kill each other? Well, we do care... We want them to leave the old world behind and join the new way of life. It takes time for a new generation to ascend, that's all. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court sat Justices Alito and Scalia... Eventually, just as it sat Jews, it will have an Arab.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 7 months ago
        Add this to it: in AS, Galt's Gulch was by invitation only. How can favoring the unrestricted influx of possibly unproductive persons possibly construe as libertarian in nature?
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          And some will be--are--counterproductive for being very, very bad.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 7 months ago
            Agreed. That's why the Gulch needed a defense. Rand didn't treat any element of that defense except for the refractor ray screen. But I would imagine Hank Rearden's defecting workforce doubled as the perimeter guard force shortly after he arrived. It's not as if they lacked combat experience.
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        • Posted by Kittyhawk 7 years, 7 months ago
          Galt's Gulch was private property, not a country. Besides that, it was fictional.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 7 months ago
            All right. Show me where any person has an inalienable right to go to live in any community at all, whether said community wishes him to continue to live there or not.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 7 months ago
              Well said.

              At the center of immigration policy is really the Right to Association. But that is a two-way contract - not a one-way one. Those who are already part of the Association (in this case the nation known as the United States of America and occupying its defined geographical boundaries) are being ignored on whether or not they want to accept any more applicants!
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
        Complaints that immigrants are criminals go back to 1492. The Irish, the Italians,... the Purple Gang were Jews... Here in Texas, we have Germans, lots and lots of Germans, so many that until two world wars pushed them underground, Texas German was recognized as a dialect. To me, they are a bunch of crypto-nazis who threaten our way of life with their goose-stepping thought patterns. But that's just my own prejudice. Other people find them law-abiding, hardworking, community oriented, good neighbors. But that's how I see Mexicans. So, one man's Ronald Reagan is another man's Daniel Ortega.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          An illegal alien is not an immigrant.
          To call an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is PC speak.
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          • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
            As far as I know, only 1 of my 4 grandparents arrived at Ellis Island with a passport. Are you passing judgment on my loyalty as an American?
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            • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 7 months ago
              If you associate your American-ness with the acts of your parents or grandparents, that's your decision.

              I view an American as someone who wants to speak English, who values natural rights, and who values the rule of law. I view an American as someone who stands for the National Anthem with hand over heart (or saluting while in uniform) and who sings with passion - even if off-key. I view an American as someone who has read and understands (no mean feat there) the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence and would fight to defend both. I view an American as someone who doesn't disparage others for believing differently and will openly defend their right to speak their beliefs even though they disagree. I view an American as someone who takes the time to understand political candidates and their platforms before voting their conscience. I view an American as someone who works hard and enjoys the fruits of their own labors. I view an American as someone who does everything in their power to take care of themselves and who would never call for the government to force others to care for them.

              Give me that kind of American and you will see those who can right the ship of this nation.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
          To all immigrants: Apply for immigration legally as I have. Enforce the immigration laws until the congress changes them. Not doing so is against the wishes of the people and is unfair to both existing citizens and legal immigrants.
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          • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
            Against the wishes of what people? You are demanding that we all obey all of the looter laws of Congress.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
              Straw man.
              The representatives of the people in congress have the constitution on their side in this case. Or do you propose ignoring the constitutional authority of congress under Artilce I, Section 8?
              The immigration laws made by congress are constitutional and they should be enforced, just as similar laws are enforced under laws in all advanced, industrialized countries in the world.
              Perhaps you should lobby congress to make open immigration a part of any free trade agreement with other advanced countries.
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        • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 7 months ago
          What you wrote hear is, to mi ears too close for distinction from nonsense. Do you write out emotional reactions or do you think through what you will write before you do it?
          I do mean no offense. I am just attempting to teach you what, I think, might be a better way.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 7 months ago
    It doesn't matter... What Johnson is NOT is either Clinton or Trump, candidates for the double named monoparty. If you really want to continue the same ol same ol, then feel free not to vote for Johnson, because it shows you're so indoctrinated by the monoparty you don't care who wins as long as the graft and looting in DC and elsewhere continues.

    If you think you're voting for the lesser of 2 evils, remember you're still voting for evil. Me? I'll take door # 3...
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  • Posted by RobertFl 7 years, 7 months ago
    He may not be the perfect libertarian, but he's more libertarian than trump or Clinton. If you're waiting for perfect you'll be waiting a very long time. Gary Johnson is still the best choice.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
      I would actually vote for him as the least bad candidate IF he were remotely electable. But his isnt. He needs to stick to education at least this time around, and once the populace becomes more liberty friendly, maybe he can run then.

      Look what happened to Ron Paul and Rand Paul, who I would say are more libertarian than Gary Johnson.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 7 months ago
        Political campaigns are also educational tools, and regardless of his "political purity" Gary is acquainting many voters with the term "libertarian" and what in general it stands for. The fact that he is currently polling 10%, while still relatively unknown, shows that the populace is already becoming more "liberty friendly," thanks in part to the Libertarian Party's efforts over the last 40+ years.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
    Gary Johnson is parading around as Libertarian, but knows full well that purely Libertarian ideas will get him put in a museum with Ron Paulm Rand Paul, and others who espoused those ideas in our curent culture.

    Johnson is pandering to some statist ideas that are currently popular, so that he gets at least his 9%, instead of 1% if he stuck to strictly libertarian ideas.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      Johnson is more libertarian in his policies than a lot of so-called libertarians.
      I wouldn't call anything Johnson is doing pandering, but I can see why a Trump supporter would want to transfer one of Trump's least endearing traits to Johnson.
      I agree that Johnson has avoided supporting libertarian issues that voters don't understand because they have been brainwashed by the statist biased (and supported) media.

      Johnson represents your values and principles, and promises to accomplish things that will save your business. You should be supporting Johnson on principle so he gets in the debates even if you still decide to vote for someone else later.
      Its the right decision for the long term and gives you options in the short term.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
        He is better than Trump, I would agree. More libertarian on a scale. Not so much as Ron Paul, I think tho.

        I support Johnson and the libertarians actually. I really dont know how to influence the "approval rating" thing to get him into the debates, however, and I doubt he will get to the 15% point (arbitrary) by the time of the debates. And they arent really "debates" at all. Just opportunities for the media to make one or more candidates look bad. In this case, the media will try to make hillary look good and trump look bad. They would leave Johnson alone, as he has NO chance to be a threat to the establishment.

        I just dont think he has a snowball's chance of winning THIS time around, so I will vote for Trump so as to NOT get Hillary.
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 7 months ago
          If Trump and/or Hillary want Gary in the debates, he will probably be invited. And they might want just that. A three-way debate gives Trump and Hillary less speaking time, meaning less time to screw up, get too specific or answer uncomfortable questions. Less time to talk also makes it less likely for Hillary to have a coughing fit, and provides more time to recover if she does. I don't think either R&D candidate is looking forward to the debates, and having a third candidate in the mix would take some pressure off both of them.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
            The whole race is being run to get rid of candidates by finding dirt on them. Its disgusting. We need to find a president who will actually do a good job at running the country. Squeaky clean politically correct candidate wont ever make a good president.
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  • Posted by Xizang 7 years, 7 months ago
    I've been and voted Libertarian for decades. But this time around, I'm voting for Trump. Yes, I know - he's not Libertarian either.

    But the issues that give me pause right now are: 1. Keeping Hillary & Bill OUT. 2. Applying the same laws to Mexicans and others coming into the USA that their home countries apply to Americans. For example, when I go to Mexico I must first buy valid auto liability insurance. If I want to stay more than 90 days in the country, I need to get legal permits (an FM-3 Card). If I'm in Mexico and I want free food, free medical care, free housing, welfare, social security, etc. etc. - they tell me to get lost. So how is it that Mexicans and others aren't expected to respect American laws the same as we must respect theirs?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      Me dino can answer that question.
      It is because the power hungry elites of the Jackass Party view incoming Mexicans, Hispanics and Muslims as future dim for Dem low information voters.
      When those waves of children swarmed over the border, I recall Princess Pelosi with a big giddy smile saying that she viewed that illegal alien youth invasion as "an opportunity."
      Me dino knew exactly what kooky kow meant by that without even have to think about it.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
    The entire election is a sham for every political party. Not one of them are what they claim to be. However, like the song goes, "Same as it ever was." The only completely legitimate election was for George Washington. If that's true, and it is, we as voters need to choose a president by the degrees of anti rational pronouncements made by them.The next thing to consider is if you can trust them to do the good they say they want to do. Hillary fails on both counts, even excluding all of her scandals. Trump and Johnson are pretty much tied in their various obfuscations, but Trump has a better chance of winning. That's it in a nutshell. Good luck!
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      Certainly seems like a sham if you read and believe what the biased media say about Trump and Johnson. Definitely agree that no candidate is saying everything he thinks, Herb, but the degree and motivation for incomplete truth puts the libertarian party head and shoulders above the GOP and the Dems.
      If the rules written by the GOP and Dems to prevent any competition from any third party were fair, then I am convinced that the libertarian party would already be a major party and the libertarian party would be the one with the largest share of the vote based on their complete disclosure and a better understanding of their policies by the voters..

      I understand and share your frustration.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
        You are basing your assumption on the public being intellectually aware. When Lincoln, with his new party ran, those who voted were pretty astute. I doubt if you could say that today. And, because of our increasingly bad education system, I don't see much hope for the future. I hope you are right, because if you are, there's a miniscule chance for a better tomorrow.
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  • Posted by Tassie 7 years, 7 months ago
    Agree wholeheartedly......Johnson is not much of a libertarian......same as democrats are not liberals and most republican politicians are not conservative.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      Rule #3: Don't believe what you're told. Double check.
      Article is biased and untrue.
      http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/26/lib...
      Johnson is more libertarian than many so-called libertarians. He is avoiding discussing libertarian issues that are confusing to voters because that has been prove to be a losing strategy. Johnson understands that he must get on the debate stage in order to reach voters, and he must concentrate on issues they understand to get there.
      (I don't like some of this strategy either, Tassie, but I understand the reason for it.)
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        He sure isn't trying very hard got up to 13 in an poll that doesn't count and went back to single digit land. Johnson promised,"What does that mean." I'll go with the list at the top as being much more accurate including the promise about supporting the Constitution which he broke first thing out of the box.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        Reason? The former Libertarian pub that tried to hand Hillary as an illegal immigrant and failed to produce a shred of evidence?

        You quote that rag? That's worse than unsupported subjective personal opinion. And it smacks of a George Lykoff tactic. As in tacky.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 7 months ago
    thank you...posted to facebook...Gary Johnson gives freedom and liberty a black eye....
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      How does spreading lies to facebook suppport freedom and liberty?
      http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/26/lib...
      Johnson promises to:
      1. Close down the Dept of Education which will end the fedgov's propaganda monopoly and make it possible to the truth to be taught, and reason and achievement rewarded.
      2. Balance the federal budget by reducing spending
      3. End the Income tax on productivity This alone will completely change the face of America and the economy for the better.
      These programs will do more for freedom and individual liberty than anything done by anyone in the past 100 years.

      The author, Paul Joseph Watson is not libertarian and doesn't agree with libertarian platform. Not very surprising that he supports a statist Trump dictatorship instead of a statist Hillary dictatorship. Posting is rubbish from a completely biased source. Paul Joseph Watson is an irrational loon based upon his completely biased writings.
      Trump's policy proposals are much worse for freedom and liberty than Johnson's.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 7 months ago
        you are right...Trump is worse than Johnson...this article is not about Trump...

        Johnson IS anti-liberty, anti-freedom, and anti-business in regards to a private owner's right to sell to whomever he/she wants
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
          Got that right so is he a message candidate for marijuana or an ersatz hillery supporter? I'd like to to see where those 9 points go if they were genuinely asked?

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  • Posted by Ben45 7 years, 7 months ago
    Why post this here? Ayn Rand said she was not a libertarian.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
      LOL! Hey, I now member that.
      Why post? Because we have a bunch of Gulchers who favor that party above all others.
      Furthermore, Gary Johnson is NOT a Libertarian.
      But that wild bunch here are gonna vote Libertarian anyway because they disagree with my personal opinion about that.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
        Maybe not an ideal libertarian, but by definition he is a Libertarian.
        Wild Bunch? Thanks for the compliment, I think.;^)
        While I do respect your opinions and agree with many of them, your personal opinion is not a significant part of my voting decision, dino. (Nor should my opinion be significant in your voting decision.;^) Just the facts, dino.
        ;^)
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago
          I started to erase "wild bunch" but then thought it less an insult and more of a complement.
          Being an old dino, I decided to see how it would splash. Just for the hell of it.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 7 years, 7 months ago
    Gary Johnson could be besties with Mark Cuban.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      Rubbish. Cuban voted for Obama and has supported Hitlery's campaign. Johnson is Hitlery's only ethical competition.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        There's a difference? What ethics is that? I'm still going through your 24,000 posts and have yet to find anything to support that except personal opinion and whining.

        Try this



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        The nine point one and holding for a month with no progress means what? He's ethical. ha ha ha try out his great economic record in New Mexico.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 7 months ago
    Johnson lost cred for foreign policy, when he was asked about the crisis in Aleppo, Syria, and had no idea what Aleppo was. Anyone with even a cursory notice of news should recognize that city as a key center in the conflict between Bashar Assad and opposition forces, with serious civilian casualties.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      He lost cred only because the media is biased against Johnson. He responded with honesty to an unclear question. Once the question was clarified (after the interviewer made it appear that Johnson was at fault instead of the interviewer who created the problem) Johnson answered with clarity and apologized for the misunderstanding.

      Rule 6 - Never apologize, its a sign of weakness.
      http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/ncis/arti...

      It was irrational, but he did lose cred as you said DrZ.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 7 months ago
    Back in 1980, Erwin S. "Filthy Pierre" Strauss wrote
    The Case Against a Libertarian Political Party.
    http://www.worldcat.org/title/case-ag...
    (See Erwin Strauss here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_S...

    His point was only that power and market are mutually exclusive. You cannot bring about a free market by political means. You get a constitutionally limited government from a free market.

    Moreover, in mimicking the political modes of the big parties, the Libertarians commit a consistent and constant series of strategic and tactical errors, such as nominating warmed-over Republicans to stand for the Presidency on their ticket.

    I have never been to an LP national convention. (I have been at state conventions, but never as a delegate: I had a vendor table.) I have been told that at the national conventions, these forward thinking radicals are arrayed in alphabetical order by state. When the name of their preferred candidate is spoken by the chair, the delegates in support beat their sign poles on the ground and hoot.

    BTW: another thread is in order on this, but if you know the works of Jane Jacobs, you may know of her essays on the two modes of survival, the trading ethic and the guardian ethic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems...
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
      The more important question:
      Can a free market be destroyed by political means?
      The answer is "YES"
      For example: Political favors grant monopoly staus.
      Is it possible these favors be reversed and the free market improved by political means?
      The answer is "YES"
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        Now you are really showing your political side. Only politicians ducking the queation start of with The more improtant question is.....etc. quack quack quack. Shows a distinct excess of nothing.

        Hows if feel to see your girl losing ground and your boy standing still?
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 7 months ago
      Do you think they're making a mistake by saying the things in the OP. I would not be able to support someone who didn't take most of those positions. Most of them I think are either basic facts or basic good policy. They're nothing complicated but just something at the core of what I find to be reasonable. If my notions of basic fact and reasonableness are majority views (I'm not sure if they are), then shouldn't political parties run candidates like this?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
    Good Job! He should marry up with Christine Gregoire.

    On the bright side check Clintons losses in the Electoral College Section and the ever popular four way spread. Clinton at 2.2 in the one that counts 3.0 in the other one and Johnson at 9.1? She only gains point eight with Johnson AND Klein out of the picture. I'm guessing that's from deducting the Klein votes. Did they schedule the Libertarian Town Hall Meetin yet

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