Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist?

Posted by Solver 10 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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One way this could be is by infinite time theory. But this also would mean that everything has already happened in every way possible beforehand. Yet we all would be totally obvious that it did.

Another opposing theory is one or more God(s), Infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s), created everything.

SO FOR THIS TOPIC, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY AND WHAT IS YOUR REASONING?
Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist?
Or
One or more infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s) created everything?

(Is it also possible that neither is correct.)


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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I used the word "exists" as part of the definition of the word "existence." They are not the same words.

    Would you say that, “Existence exists” is non-nonsensical?
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  • Posted by desimarie23 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just so we're clear, my question was genuine. I said in an earlier post that I do not take things on 'faith', I was never able to. The idea of 'God' is never one I was able to accept. With that being said, I'm just wondering how you are able to prove that it is actually 'God' taking human form. I know that there is no way to prove that it isn't, but that is a huge idea to accept on nothing but faith.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago
    I'm starting to think that calling this time has gone on forever theory, “Infinite time” is a misnomer.

    Is a line infinite in length if it goes on forever, but begins right where you are standing?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mock if you want.

    I seem to remember a fellow poster who chided me for a very mild rebuke. Don't seem to see anything coming on this side of the activity.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Bible say so. "That's indisputable proof." You're not going to use mere reasoning to question words from the one and only true God? Have faith :)
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not reject the idea of a creator. But I do reject infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s) that created everything.

    The video game was just another non-disprovable fun made up way to explain the unexplainable.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right. It is a non-disproveable made up fantasy. As I think what you call God is yours and what many others have called God is theirs.

    How the universe was created. We'll call that God.
    What happens after life is extinguished. We'll call that God.
    One of many who died on a cross. We'll call him God.
    An elephant being with lots of swords. We'll call that God.
    A statue of a man with a eagle's head. We'll call that God.
    A giant funnel that howls like the wind destroyed a 1000 armed men. We'll call that God.
    That monstrous mountain that throws fire and destroys villages with it's flow of molten anger. We'll call that God.
    The bright thing in the sky that gives us warmth. We'll call that God.
    An almighty father who throws lighting bolts and his son who makes the thunder. We'll call those Gods.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If our universe was a result of some event outside our realm then we have no way of getting back to our origin, any more than you can get back to the womb, or the egg.
    That doesn't make us a video game, unless you subscribe to a creator.
    It only implies that we cannot perceive our origins. A soap bubble cannot perceive the origins of the force that created it (a person, blowing into a straw, in a glass of soapy water). the bubble had a creation, it will likely pop and have an end. The soapy water and straw still exists.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We're talking about a universe where random action takes place, not intentionally ordered - unless you are going to accede to God. In such an infinite universe which is controlled merely by random action, such random action will occur multiple times - since we have agreed that the expanse and time are infinite.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    God has made Himself known to humankind several times, most notably by taking human form and interacting directly with us. I don't remember these gorps you speak of which exist in the fourteenth dimension. If they provide similar interaction, perhaps I will come to understand that they, too, exist. Until then, they are your fantasy.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not going to get into another long debate on this again. The last one was too tiring. Suffice it to say that God has made Himself known to humankind several times, most notably by taking human form and interacting directly with us. Those things that transcend to human comprehension we do understand and know.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "An infinite universe means that every conceivable permutation exists somewhere - it's infinite - and exists at the same time."

    No it doesn't. You can have a physically and temporally infinite universe that lacks certain conceivable permutations. Just as in math, you can have an infinite series of integers without any of them being odd numbers. "Infinite" does not necessarily equate to "all-inclusive".
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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see. So what if there is a finite amount of matter and energy in an infinite space during an infinite time line?
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  • Posted by conscious1978 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In fairness, "comprehension" is a prerequisite for "understanding". So, "understanding" is necessarily limited by "comprehension".

    To claim "understanding" or knowledge of something outside of the realm of human comprehension is a contradiction from which no one making the claim can escape. In other words, it is logically impossible to know that anything exists outside of our ability to comprehend it. It is impossible for us to Know things beyond our understanding. It is something other than rational to Assert that something "doesn't exist in human comprehensible terms" (all the while it is being explained in those terms).

    You are correct that "we cannot fathom that which is beyond our understanding." No one can. Asserting that one has knowledge gained beyond human understanding could be viewed as the arrogance of irrationality.

    I respect someone's right to believe what they want, but let's be honest when it comes to acquiring or claiming knowledge of existence beyond human comprehension...because human comprehension is all we have.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can't disprove infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s) which created everything and give us free will using logic. You also can't disprove that gorps exist in fourteenth dimension.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I shall answer that question tomorrow. But first, a more pressing issue. you are MY hero, too. desimarie, get in line. ;)
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago
    You think then that life was created somewhere elsewhere in the universe, and then somehow transported here to earth? I'll take a deity any day.
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  • Posted by desimarie23 10 years, 10 months ago
    Existence exists, it always has and always will.

    I typically don't take anything on faith; logically, I understand the Big Bang theory more than I do the idea of some supreme being that 'always has been and always will Be.'

    Solver- both could be dismissed on the same premise; if one discredits the notion that 'existence exists and always has' because there is a question of time/existence being infinite, how could they argue the existence of an all-powerful, supreme being that has 'always been'...which in itself suggests that he is infinite?

    I may have gone off on a tangent, I apologize if I did.
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