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How's the Socialism Working Out?

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 7 months ago to Government
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Not a peep in the mainstream news here about this. Over the past couple years I have befriended a couple families who managed to leave Venezuela. One got out in time, the other had to escape in the middle of the night a year ago. They even had to tell their commie relatives they might go on a vacation. The scene there was VERY 1984. It's amazing to talk to these people...
SOURCE URL: http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela-rally-20160901-snap-story.html


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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
    Every time socialism fails, its advocates claim that it was not implemented correctly. Meanwhile, those suffering under it are condemned by the dictators who fostered it.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 7 months ago
      I think this is like the common saying that most small businesses fail because of insufficient capital. The reality is more that an unsuccessful business model can continue as long as you still have funds to subsidize it. When they run out of money, most people fail to admit their mistake and just say "It would have worked if I had more capital."

      Maybe, but I doubt it.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
        Waaay back in the 60s when I first went into business, the big thing was the initial sum needed to either set up the business or by out an existing one. Most of the very small businesses that got going didn't have either a business plan or cash on hand. We relied on our ability to work our butts off and possible personal credit. In Michigan, the only paperwork needed was filling out a certificate of occupancy and an open sign. I'll bet that most businesses of that era didn't have insufficient capital, rather, they had zero capital. Instead of capital, we had hours and a willingness to do whatever it takes, at first to get by and then to succeed. I know -- not possible today. Or is it?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
          In between Army and Merchant Marine I started a couple of businesses. One evolved into a computer and software store where we built our own IBM compatibles XT to 386 from scratch and installed very small Lantastic type business systems add out version of Mail Box Etc. and Copy Quik. Wrong end of the wrong county nothing was close like an Office Depot back then. We figured ten years before they would move close enough it was eleven. One didn't have to drive 60 or 70 miles to get a case of paper or an ink cartridge or someone to fix their computer or expan their abilities. Total personal outlay was $10,000 each for me an one partner. I did sales and intro to computers he built, installed and maintained them. Just as you said a ton of sweat equity and many long hours. Over 110 or so businesses later from a vdeo rental place to a sawmill and a bank and what became a huge mail order house the giants came. I sold out and made my first and only profit. My partner kept the clients and grew them into Penta's and Windows and beyond. We sold the mail box, business supply, copier part off to another home grown start up. Most of those clients are still clients of my ex partners The secret was noticing they couuldn't afford to hire employees the start up costs of insurances etc for them in that state were prohibitive involving a $5,000 deposit to the State for liabiity and injury costs of workmans comp. But for a third or less the price one network of two computeres one cash register the other for supplies, stock inventory and they did weekly monthly quarterly annual etc reports, tax preparation all of that automatically. Enter the new item or service on one. Take the money and adjust inventory on the other. I don't know of anyone besides us who went the SBA route and we didn't make the minimum requirement of $300,000 in annual sales and one or more newly immigrated foreigners. Government really didn't give a damn about actual small businesses so SBA for a US Citizen was a dead end. Last I heard the expartner sold out his client list, store front closed he moved to his garage and then to a separate builidng by the house I went sailing and then to working on ships. But we kept two families fed and then some extra people from time to time. To keep it legal he married the only clerk we hired and ther rest were two high school computer literates. who set up the businesses with their new systems inventory entering etc. For me it paid for six plus months on a tall ship sailing and scuba across he Pacific, the divorce lawyer ha ha and my own liveaboard sailboat when I wasn't on a tanker or freighter. I was forever glad we didn't qualify for and get involved with the government assistance. But found out the sequence for those immigrants was easy loan and business purchase followed by a planned bankruptcy which qualified them for another loan and that's why you see all of one type running motels etc. US citizens not wanted where SBA was concerned. We made it on our own. And I had time to write a series of manuals, self publish and sold that off as well for a second profit. Herb is correct but the pioneer sort of independent spirit with all the regulations is probably a thing of the past.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 7 months ago
    Well, I'm glad that people somewhere are getting
    some sense. I wish more were doing so here in
    the USA.
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 7 months ago
      I think its like most things that depend on human nature to change - bottom has to be hit, and hit hard, to generate willingness to change. Some lefty document says something about taking over America by raising the water temp a little at a time so they won't notice till they're ( we're) cooked, as opposed to dropping into boiling water all at once which would get a swift reaction. Objective observation can confirm that has been happening.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        I asked my father about that once and put it this way. Why did you bother to do WWII then come back here and vote the same thing into power?

        "Because we didn't see it coming it was a little bit at a time." He went from being the Secretary of the Democratic Party State Central Committee to wearing a Rush shirt and cap.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
    ........meanwhile in the US we move closer to that reality every time one of our politicians opens their trap. I've heard duck tape can repair almost anything.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
    There are some people who deserve to just be gone, one way or the other. Maduro takes his place among other dictators such as Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, and many others.

    Besides being an immoral system, it just doesnt work, no matter where it has been tried.
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  • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 7 months ago
    Good news- that a major newspaper is reporting the massive hostility to the regime.
    Bad news- there is no analysis or background. No mention I could see of the price controls or other government interventions that have caused disaster.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 7 years, 7 months ago
    The appeal of socialism comes from the subconscious desire to return to the womb, where all one's needs are taken care of, and one doesn't have to think for oneself or lift a finger.

    When will socialists get it that whenever this kind of "care" is made available, it always comes at a hefty price?
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
      I would rephrase that a bit. The appeal of socialism comes from the desire to FORCE others to take care of them. Its not pretty and should not be tolerated.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 7 months ago
        Both of you described the leftist collective. The first are the little parts that make up the whole. The second is the ruling class who tell the others what to chant on cue or queue take your pick. In the collective there is no choice. It's a classc Plato setup with all the built in mystic excuses and escape hatches for the leaders. Mommy nurturing with a strong fuhrer father figure.
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