Straightlinelogic, you have presented several news items like this China port-Ponzi-probe over the last few weeks. How do you think this is going to affect metals prices and to what extent?
Mr. Brenner, Markets have been anticipating commodities unwinds from the Chinese situation for several weeks, so prices have already declined. There may be more selling ahead, but the bulk of it is probably out of the way. Unfortunately, this will operate as a margin call in China and beyond, and margin calls often cause selling in other than the market of the initial margin call as traders indiscriminately sell other assets to raise cash. That is the danger of this developing situation. The danger is particularly acute when the same collateral is pledged multiple times. Such rehypothecation is disturbingly routine in many markets, including bond markets, and was one of the reasons the Lehmann Brothers situation unraveled so quickly in 2008, and why it had a global impact. Given that global debt is higher now than it was then, you can see the potential for disaster.
Never understood how it made any sense to the financiers that the collateral that they were relying on to back a loan had already been collateralized by someone else. Of course, so long as no loans are called, there's no problem. But when it starts to fall in on itself, you better be the first one out or you're going to get burned. That just ensures that the whole house of cards collapses quickly and absolutely. Utter stupidity.
Thanks, straightlinelogic. Prices had declined, and then rebounded. Many in the Gulch do have a significant exposure to Au, and I don't want to get caught surprised. I bought the Au as a hedge against hyperinflation of the dollar, and now Au itself seems unreliable. Where do I go to have a fiscally sound asset?
Because saving and safe investing is forcefully discouraged, people look for those riskier investments. Bitcoin, art, wine, high yield bonds, angel groups, stocks and options are very popular. An that's what concerns me. But the tide is very very very high so like most I'm well invested and ready to change before the tide changes. Good luck.
Markets have been anticipating commodities unwinds from the Chinese situation for several weeks, so prices have already declined. There may be more selling ahead, but the bulk of it is probably out of the way. Unfortunately, this will operate as a margin call in China and beyond, and margin calls often cause selling in other than the market of the initial margin call as traders indiscriminately sell other assets to raise cash. That is the danger of this developing situation. The danger is particularly acute when the same collateral is pledged multiple times. Such rehypothecation is disturbingly routine in many markets, including bond markets, and was one of the reasons the Lehmann Brothers situation unraveled so quickly in 2008, and why it had a global impact. Given that global debt is higher now than it was then, you can see the potential for disaster.