Galt's Gulch

If Trump and Clinton lose, this man could be your next vice president

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago to Government
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I disagree with the headline, but an interesting interview. You don't get to see much of it.If both the knuckleheads don't get enough, then it goes to Congress and I am sure they will not select these two...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
    Money and the quest for power can make for unusual results in politics. Could Johnson satisfy big money backers and move America away from fascism at the same time? Would be an interesting dance.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
      Freedom, I am not sure where the logic would go on this one, it is definitely a bizarre scenario. I like his talk on taxes (the VP dude Weld). He had a thing on Yahoo that was a pretty good parallel to Objectivist ideals, and he emphasized that govt borrowing is not the govt doing it, but the people, and that politicians just think they are using someone else's visa card or something. He also had a good talk of the impact of regulation and control by government of everything. I am doubtful if anyone can actually slay the Federal government at this point, like most creatures, I am sure it has it's own self defense mechanisms.
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    • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
      Johnson would get nowhere today. He could act as a brake on the socialism stuff, but couldnt get anything enacted to increase or protect our freedoms. No charisma at all, intellectually inconsistent, and probably cant even get to 15% popular support.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
        Not that I agree about Johnson's ability to achieve his goals, but better to stop socialism and get nothing done than to have either a looting witch (Hillary) or a megalomanical monarchist getting things done that destroy liberty and wreck the economy further. Being a bully is not charisma.
        Term, I do agree that there are corrupt vested interests that will oppose any pro free market change, but Johnson was a success managing for free markets in a Democrat state as governor of New Mexico. Having that experience and a belief in the principles is an advantage that neither Trump or Hillary have.They both have a completely different agenda.
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
          Not that Trump will be elected anyway, but I think he would be a lot better president than we have had in many many years. Meeting with the mexican president was a good idea, as would meetings with putin, and the chinese leaders. As long as he sticks up for America, it would be a refreshing change. Obama sticks up for Muslims and other countries.
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          • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 6 months ago
            Good in Mexico and talking to other leaders, but then returns to USA and goes into his authoritarian crap again. Both he and Clinton are showing some kind of mild psychopathy but of the pretended innocuous kind where the violence would come when they don't get their way after being elected POTUS. Can people be forced to be patriotic by being made to take part in oaths of allegiance, giant flag ceremonies, national anthems, and other feel good activities that are considered as gauges to whether one is patriotic or not. A patriot sees that his country is good and worth working to keep. There is no need for all the phony lip service. The lack of patriotism started to accelerate back in the 1800s when socialists worked to introduce an oath of allegiance into schools followed by United States flags. It has been down hill since then. The attempt to instill religion by prayers or other religious references in many sports and other gatherings will not get a more religious group of citizens. It is just a way for busybodies to gauge who is a god worshiper or not and a reason to ridicule the ones who do not believe whatever is the current majorities belief system.
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            • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
              That said, we are going to get EITHER Trump or Hillary. I think the choice is clear for this election. In the meantime, I think Trump will at least speak his mind and bring up things that need to be aired. Hillary will just engage in advanced pay for play cronyism, which we do NOT need. I do think we need to control our borders better. Other countries (at least Canada and Australia) wont even let you in for a visit if you have a DUI. Here we allow in 10,000 Syrian refugees of dubious character and past history. Germany had an uncontrolled border, let in 1M Syrian refugees, and suffers major terror attacks and violence as a result. You may not like his rhetoric, but he is right on immigration.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
                Great! We either get a criminal who has lied under oath for the last 40 years or so, or a person who seems about as stable as Stalin. What a choice. It almost seems like someone has foisted this on us, but that would be a conspiracy theory wouldn't it.
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                • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
                  Perhaps the perception of instability is grounded more in Hillary propaganda than in fact. Actually listening to trumps speeches reveals pretty consistent stances on issues
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                  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
                    Ok, I just get put off when I see him start ranting, like he did about the newspapers and he drifts away on it for 5 mins, I find that kind of scary... as much as the Beasts "Vast Right Wing.."
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                    • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
                      I dont think ANY of our presidential candidates were perfect, at least during my lifetime. Some are worse than others, and Hillary is by far the most crooked and dependent on using the government for her crony purposes- at OUR expense.
                      The establishment hates Trump and says anything they can to disparage him. That includes almost all of the media. I find THAT more scary.
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                      • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
                        Well, it also means you have no good facts to make a decision, it is all emotional based on hearsay and rumor, and people like Clinton adding more layers of lies and deciet are just that much worse...showing she isn't fit from an ethical perspective. She clearly places herself above the people or the country.
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                        • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
                          Very scary election. When there is so much media negativity towards a candidate, I think that's an indication they are just trying to protect some hidden agenda. So I am voting for trump - the only one standing up to the establishment
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
              "There is no need for all the phony lip service. "
              It's like visiting a company where they carry on about how everyone there is a team player, no infighting here. If I hear that once, maybe it's a fluke. If it's a mantra, that's a sign people do not believe in the company.

              "a way for busybodies to gauge who is a god worshiper or not "
              Exactly.
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              • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 6 months ago
                Does 'CircuitGuy' indicate any electrical engineering or computer back ground, I am getting old and looking for someone or a computer club to take my old Altair 8800 off my hands who can just stop by and take it. You are only 50 or so miles away, if you are still in Madison, from me down here on Geneva Lake in Walworth county. Any idea on how to find someone to give it away to?
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
                  Yes. Someone must want that old computer, esp considering nickursis's link.
                  You could ask the Madison Science Museum. They're on the top floor of the MATC building downtown. They opened last year. Their director said they're looking for new exhibits, which includes historical equipment. They're also eager to find people to help build and set up exhibits. But they're happy to take old equipment. You could ask if they're taking vintage computers. https://madisonsciencemuseum.org/cont...

                  If that doesn't work, you could contact me here: http://fourlakestechnology.com/contac...
                  I could ping my network. Maybe we could mention it in the IEEE Madison newsletter.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago
    Couple things bother me: Socially liberal?...hmm, how does he feel about muslims...we've all investigated and discussed this issue and basically come to the realization the the bulk of muslim populations are not ready for civilization. And the rest of societal perversions is a whole nother story...
    TPP...neither Johnson nor weld have a clue of what's in TPP. Free trade...dah...yea!...didn't hear him say...reduce corporate taxed to 10% and the jobs will come back.
    Maybe I'm biased but have always been suspect of anyone from Mass...I live next door.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
    I'll post it but the besides the polls showing Clinton in a bad way despite her bad heart etc. there's now conjecture ona one candidate election. But not to worry moi have the answer.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
    I would be ok with Johnson winning the presidential race. He would definitely stand in the way of a lot of socialism. But he is sort of a buffoon, and I would tend to just be disinterested in politics at that point. The brakes would definitely be on, which is a good thing. I would be happy also if congress met once a year, and there was just an efficient administrator running the bureaucracy, instead of these democratically elected dictators we have had.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    I like this guy better than Johnson.
    Certainly better than Clinton, and I must admit, better than Trump. The question is, can a Libertarian win THIS election? Having Hillary win just makes my skin crawl. While Trump bloviates and makes me want to tape his mouth shut often, I just can't see letting the scum sucking bottom dwelling, Hillary Clinton become president.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 6 months ago
    The senate chooses the VP, if no majority arises. And only from the top two vote getters, which will likely be the Dem and the GOP candidates. Weld has next to zero chance. He will only be the VP if the LP ticket gets more electoral votes than one of the other two candidates. Johnson has a higher chance however, even if small.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
    Both Johnson and Weld sound like big statists to me. Both are anthropogenic climate change believers, favoring a carbon tax; both favor strong gun control; both see nothing wrong with open borders and sanctuary cities; both favor the TPP, claiming it's "almost" a free trade deal.

    It seems like they think that all people want is marijuana and hiding their head in the sand.
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    • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 6 months ago
      Johnson does not favor gun control. He has the most open position on it of any of the candidates I know of running.
      Open borders is the Ovjectivist position. It's the only philosophically consistent answer to immigration. Open with regards to employment, etc. Still guarded for security.
      TPP is a mess, for sure. But we need to open up trade somehow. At least it's starting a discussion. The US needs to modify the deal to correct a lot of the privacy, Internet, and IP issues before signing. We have a bully pulpit. We should use it.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
        How do you have borders that are open for employment, but closed for security? That sounds like it would require "extreme vetting" of anyone seeking admittance. A guest worker program with complete transparency would solve most of the issues with the currently undocumented, since there's a definite need for the labor.

        Trade policy should involve individual countries instead of cumbersome multiparty agreements written up by big multinational firms. The U.S. can be more generous with small countries and tougher with big ones when the deals are made one on one, and the unique nature of the relationship will be on firmer ground without dealing with global committees.
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        • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 6 months ago
          "The people" have no right to prevent me from hiring anyone I want for a position, regardless of national origin. That is what open employment borders means.

          Closed for security would be to prevent an invading army, for instance.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
            And if that Army just happened to not "declare" themselves? Usually they are know as "terrorists", but get enough, and you can have an "army".
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
              "Army just happened to not "declare" themselves?"
              When people characterize something that's not a state-sponsored armed conflict as "war", it's usually an excuse to expand gov't power.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
                CG, my point was that you cannot have an open boarder to hire whoever you want, and then on the other hand a closed border to "prevent an invading army". The army, if it has 2oz of common sense, comes in as workers, and then gets together and does it's thing. You either have a secure border, or not, there is no way to have a mushy border, that's what the politicos have created today.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
              If is mighty big word and it doesn't take that many people. Initially they tend to grow as they produce results. Not declaring themselves is counter productive to that effort and leaves them in the category of common criminal which while it may be true does nothing to further their political aims. Try Mini Manual For Urban Guerilla by Carlos Marighella who also formulated the Cycle of Repression Strategy.
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        • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 6 months ago
          And seconly, trade agreements should be between individuals (or individual businesses) as much as possible. Sometimes however we have the power to influence an authoritarian regime to loosen their grip on an economy with larger agreements. That is when they would be justified.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
          Doc, you are missing the fact, the money writes the agreements, the poltico puppets do as they are told. Part of theirs great big corrupt country we now have...
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago
        The problem is that Obama got "fast-track authority" through Congress. That means Congress can only approve or reject TPP, they can't modify it. (Of course "fast-track" may not be constitutional, I don't think any court has ruled on that question.)
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        • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 6 months ago
          That does sound like a problem. I'll admit I'm not an expert on TPP, I'm going with the opinions of friends whose views I typically trust. Id say it should be rejected I'm its current form.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
      I have thought that too, though in the interview Weld sounded good, however, his history in Mass is not stellar, and you are indeed correct, the CC thing is just another trump card to play.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
    Not available in my region so who is this man? never mind i read the fine print. It just keeps getting worse doesn't it. Not sure about Pence but the other two are not Presidential material so what are they?
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
      It basically says that the Libertarians will benefit from a scenario where Clinton or Trump do not get enough votes to win, however, my understanding is that it then go to the house and we get some other slob, like Ryan.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
        If there is an unbreakable tie or pluralities but not majority it goes to the House. Pelosi and company will go for Clinton but they are a minority at present.anyway you slice it. The way they do it is one vote per state so the predominant number of any party in a state will decide. Kinda sorta imitates the electoral college. and evens out the 435 into just 50 states IF i got it right this time.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 6 months ago
        Not necessarily. The 12th Amendment restricts consideration to the top three candidates receiving electoral votes. If only two candidates (Trump and Clinton) receive electoral votes, then one of them will be chosen by a majority of states in the House of Representatives. If an elector breaks from his/her party and votes for a someone else (as happened in 1972 for the Libertarian nominees), that person could also be considered by the full House. This could precipitate considerable horse trading in a close election. Johnson would theoretically have a long-shot chance in this scenario.

        If no vice-presidential candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the Senate must decide from the top two, so Weld has no chance of being selected for this post.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
          Interesting, I agree that Johnson would have little chance, but..it does eliminate the dark horse scenario. The Republicrats cannot slide their own boy into the mix...
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