Most People Today Want to be Propagandized

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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"Intellectually insecure and socially uprooted, many people are now desperate for some authority to cling to, someone who will give simple expression to the inklings of thoughts and instincts to which they can neither give adequate voice nor adequately live out."

"Is it any wonder, then, that so many people would seek out propaganda today, and that its providers would be so happy to oblige?"

Where would you be if it were not for objectivism?


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It ain't just about breaking out, it's getting off that island and more.
    Remember Jurassic Park 2 with that stupid T-Rex ramming a ship into San Diego and then trashing the place?
    All that tomfoolery wasn't too damn inconspicuous!
    Me? Kinda hard to keep a low profile when you're 30 feet long and always in need of raw meat to feed all my massive dino bulk.
    Think about it.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember getting these problems where you had to hit a certain gain, input impedance, and output impedance using three cheap transistors. I remember thinking there must be an incredibly complicated set of simultaneous equations that would solve this. When discussing the instructor's solution with another student I remember saying "he's just guessing. There's a way to actually do the problem, like really solve it, not just pull numbers out of the air." The other student agreed wholeheartedly. What the instructor did felt like an iterative process. "I should be able to write a program for this; why hasn't anyone?"

    Starting from scratch, making something new using parts that have wide tolerances is just a different way of thinking from science.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    one key to successful engineering, IMHO, is being able
    to estimate outcomes of calculations -- order of magnitude
    or net improvement / net loss -- without crunching the
    numbers. . experience, yes, but also insight into the
    ways the principles operate. . What Fun!! -- j
    .
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is Occams Razor and then there is Edison's Light Bulb any relation? (Reference for the non math science types to measuing the cubic capacity fo the bulb.) We used the same principles in field engineering using stress and moment formulas to determine weak points and from that slap on the correct amount explosives. Of course a little P for plenty often times found it's way into the solution but when P wasn't available a thorough understanding of how things were built saved the day. By the timie the slide rule guys were half done we had lit the fuses. Fire In The Hole! And that wasn't my primary job.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And "That type of person" is: a Parasitical Humanoid. Brain only, no mind, no conscience, no quantum identity. And "I'd rather Not think of you mr toohey"...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As you might guess, I was one of the physics engineers, and was notorious for walking into a group of the math types who'd been tearing their hair for days over a problem and asking them if they'd tried XXXX. When XXXX solved the problem, it frustrated them. When I tried to explain that based on the principles involved, it was the obvious solution, all they wanted to know was how the hell I did the calculations in my head so quickly. After a while I gave up trying to explain.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 8 months ago
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  • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then there are the ones who haven't a political clue.
    I did some work for a refrigeration engineer who did his work with little four function calculator, though it did have a square root function on it, who had done some nuclear plant jobs and did consultant work for some company in Japan. He seemed conservatively directed with an on going bad life feeling because of his parent's Armenian background and their not getting proper recognition as an oppressed group. He did not seem to have any interest in science at all, but was a good curler.
    Science interest and math interest was nearly zero for those whom I did work over 40 years and did not seem to keep them from becoming wealthy from inventing and patenting things nor did education levels. They were, though, good at general problem solving. Seemed like the key to their successes was taking risks at jobs and learning after being hired. Political leanings or math and science leanings did not enter much in their successes, being more interested in country club activities.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a certain type of person who cannot stand success in others. Rather than trying to emulate them, they like nothing better than to try to destroy them. There are many examples of that type in both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. The answer to that type is simply to copy good old Howard R. "But I don't think of you Mr. Toohey."
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  • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    great comments! . and characters like Galt, who can
    do both, are the most rare ... re-writing the rules and
    using the principles to change the big picture. . even
    though Galt was a fictional character, he was still
    my idol for decades, as a practicing engineer. -- j
    .
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  • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello, Abaco,
    I am a physical chemist who did, during all of my 44 years in professional life, what you would call development engineering. Long time before I became aware of Objectivism, I read a quote that defined engineering as "the art of things that work". It has remained for ever, in my mind, as a thoroughly true statement.
    The "... that work" part imposes a practicality, an honesty, a sticking to the facts. It is also an art, because, if you wish your product to last, say, 40 years, you are not allowed 40 years of testing to find out what works. Also, you cannot compute the entire design. So you have guess, gamble and take risks. That forces you to use your imagination, express your character and your emotions.. To express your reasoning, your honesty, your control of fear. In short, as Ayn Rand says, express your sense of life. Engineers have to stick to "existence exists" and "A is A". Otherwise, machines fail, and buildings collapse.
    This is a verbose way of saying that you are right. What you say, to me, is a "subset" of the concepts conveyed by the statement: "Objectivism is a lot like experience of life."
    Nice to chat with you. Stay well
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  • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    thinkin' outside the box, sir! . straitjackets like political
    correctness inhibit creative thinking. -- j
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As we whittle this down to the lowest common denominator, I think we'll arrive at: we all need: "Individual Responsibility"...it has been forgotten that it was the natural law of "responding differently" that enables a species to survive.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Today...it's hard to discern because the left has crafted their idiotic propaganda to sound like the truth sayers, tapping in to emotions of false guilt...that's what pissed me off.
    Had a discussion the other night at the change of shifts, my replacement said he watched a history show about how cruel and evil America was on the Indians...I flashed back: Not America...Andrew Jackson and a few idiots on both sides...not the country, not our founding fathers, not "White" people. I pointed out the treaties by the Pilgrims and our new government had with the Indian population that still stand today.
    People look at you with disbelief when you say to them..."That's a Lie!", much like we did at first, but we went to check it out for ourselves.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds right...+1, not because I identify, but because it makes sense, Math is "Rule" driven to the max. I see both, some math but especially the big picture and have always rejected rules until I understand why it's a rule and if it's useful. Now, maybe some here will stop making fun of my outlook on physics...laughing of course.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 8 months ago
    We need more true individualism, not less. But, that includes self responsibility and thinking as an individual. Schools teach group think, and love it. The old, "There is no I in team" had me in our daughter's school more than once. So did their insistence that they rely on peers for their values and attitudes. Kids are prepared by school to accept the rest of the propaganda on TV and in stores marketing, and in politic. They have been trained to NOT think, but to wait for someone to give them the answers, even if they are wrong. Taking talking points, with no idea what they mean, is like junk food for the mind. I always ask someone who starts to spout them at me, "Could you put that in your own words for me?" They look bland at that point, Sad, very sad.Yes, I do yelp at the TV when Hillary is on, when some liberal says something with no common sense attached, or when Marie Osmond, likely the most overexposed person on TV, says, "Nothing feels better than losing weight every month?" What, is she trying to lead kids to eating disorders to get skinny? No one mentions she was paid almost two million to lose 50 pounds, and has used some of it to get cosmetic surgery and take regular Botox treatments! TV is not reality, it is some corporation or politician trying to make more bucks, but not through equal trade. The classic philosophers asked questions of their subjects, and that led those subjects to think for themselves. We don't see much of that anymore..
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 8 months ago
    Without proper education whereby people are taught to think which I know no longer happens in the USA the population that develops as we have seen and continue to see is easily led by the nose to the cliffs edge like lemmings.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    When I read Atlas and started hanging around Objectivist wannabees, I realized how ignorant I actually was. I took Brandon's course on the basic principles and subscribed to the newsletter and went to the library and read or bought all the books recommended. The was when I realized that all of the things that I thought made me the crazy one were actually the craziness of the world I was surrounded by. The world of liberalism, and screwed up conservatism. Finally, things started making sense. Only then, could I truly discern the difference between truth and the lies of propaganda. It has, however, caused frustration when I am confronted by those who have bought into the propaganda of the collectivists, which I so easily see, and they are blinded to.
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