Oooops. My point was: Ignorance is no excuse. Depending on schools (controlled by the gov't), or the media (mostly Dem slanted) IS the fault of anyone who does so. But, back to my other point, people are lazy and don't want to do the work it takes to learn. And their excuses are endless, "it's so boring", "it's depressing", "I'm too busy", "It's not fun." They're practically asking for a dictator to move in. Most would barely notice. At first.

I was going to let it go, but thanks for asking for specifics. (I'm not happy about the RomneyCare thing, but having something at the State level is not the same as a Federal mandate. Both bad, but one is far far worse. Not sure where the "lies" are with that tho either.)

I have never relied on schooling, but I listen, read, and watch all kinds of media. I've educated myself, which is the only way to weed thru the crap and piece the puzzle together and see the real picture of the truth. And it's very difficult to explain quickly to someone who has next to NO idea (and barely a flit of interest). Even attempting a conversation with some exchanges of ideas is nearly impossible because others don't have very many ideas or have so much misinformation between their ears that needs to be debunked it's beyond frustrating. I also feel a bit like, "hey, I've taken the time and made the effort to learn about something vitally important to me and my family why the hell won't you do the same thing for you and yours?" Then again I feel the same way about my little business. When people ask how do I know what this is worth or why is that something someone would want to buy I say, "I've spent hours upon hours and years upon and years researching these things to be able to make a bit of a living at it. It's not something I can just 'teach' you how to do....you have to do all the hard work yourself." (Not to mention they'd be my competition if I were to do that for them.) Some people just don't want to do any hard work. Mentally or physically. And that's something else that makes me nuts! :) Man..I am on some kind of serious rant. Sorry.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what specificaly is Romney lying about.

The action of trying to elect the least harmful candidate is why we have no choice. If we keep on letting the D&R monopoly provide the only lookalike-candidates and validating that power by voting for the lesser of 2 evils we will get the same result as in the past: bigger government. So I disagree on the best course. I agree with John Galt. We must vote with our talents and our assets. We must leave this manipulated game of monopoly and start a new life. Millions of people are enslaved by their "American Dream" choices (mortgages etc) and are willing to sacrifice liberty for security. Either we offer a practical alternative to the present failed system or we leave it to collapse. Participating in the current game (voting R/D) does nothing but prolong the torture.

You make valid points freedom. I think the best coarse for us is to elect the least harmful candidate and continue to educate as many people as possible as to the dangers of big government. The task ahead is daunting and for too long we have shyed away from it because it seemed hopeless but we are at a crossroads and we have to make a difference now.

I am constantly amazed when I gently engage someone in a discussion just how much they do not know. This is thru no fault of their own. Our school systems and the media are failing us. The key is to be patient and realize that many of the people we are speaking to, family included, are hearing our ideas for the first time.

With the exception of Oprahma, all the candidates for potus for the past 30 years have "talked" about reducing the size of govt, and once elected none did a damned thing in that regard. The Repubs bitched for years about how they would reduce govt if only they controlled con-gress. So they got their chance in the 90s, and every time they had opposition they caved in to Clinton. Did they at least force the lying scum potus to veto their efforts? No, they caved. They talked the talk but when it came time to walk the walk they crawled with tail between legs. So they were either spineless scum or liars who knew they were lying from the beginning. Either way they can't be trusted when they talk about reducing govt, especially when the numbers in their platform make it virtually impossible.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me a thousand times, shame on me a thousand times.

I agree. I'm not shutting anyone out, but I will speak my mind and tell what I believe. Hopefully it will eventually click at some point and resonate. It's really hard to cram in volumes of information into a 10 minutes conversation, but I did my best. I was taken seriously at least... or so I think lol. Time will tell.

In anyplace except the gulch I wouldn't reply because Its so often wasted effort. However, as Aglialoro pointed out in his Forbes article: “When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit.” I look at Romney's platform and its obvious that either he believes in fairytales or he knows he can't achieve lowering taxes, cutting the deficit by a meaningful amount, and cutting spending while increasing military spending. I also said in the same statement he is a politician, and that goes hand in hand with being a liar. As the politician he is quite practiced at making statements that he can "hedge" later to avoid the liar tag. However, being able to make Clinton-esque policy statements doesn't pass a rational persons truth test. So I think he knows he is lying, and I call him a liar referring to his Pollyana Platform. He has explicitly lied about his comments about Romneycare. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/... Finally, Romney was acceptable to the insiders of the Republican Party. On my personal (subjective based on decades of experience) truth meter, that is a strong indicator that Mutt can't be trusted to honestly collect garbage much less be chief executive over the largest military the earth has ever seen.

I have a brother and sister I hardly speak to anymore because I was pretty strong on multiple occasions. They both think the government is the answer, I believe very differently.

This is a war, its a war of words and philosophies but to call it anything less is a lie. We cannot afford to put our relationships above the war, people need to be jarred, told uncomfortable truths and when things go the way they will and you are proven right those people with whom you planted the seed will find there way back. Just be willing and ready to talk to them, you cannot be the one to shut them out.

Good morning XenokRoy,
I concur, even though I am repulsed by the continual lack of choice beyond the lesser of two evils.
We have a contest between two statists; one with a capital S and one with a small s. At least Romney is talking about reducing the size of government. A smaller government is a weaker one, one we can have greater chance of reducing further to its appropriate size over time.
Regards,
O.A.

I agree richrobinson.

To state it much more strongly. Those that say it does not matter whom we vote for are quitting and are part of the problem. To put it in a sense of Atlas they are like the good productive people that in the face of a failure do not get back up and fight some more. I respect both Hank and Dagny far more than I do John Galt.

I also believe we will see a roman style decay of the US until it decays to the point that the reforms needed are possible, but that will not stop me from voting.

Romney is infinity better for every american than Obama. I have always counted Wilson our worst president ever, and I think Obama has out done him. The thing that really pushed me over the edge on this is his blaming of the ambassadors death on a video and then putting the american people on the train tracks and distancing the government from it in front of the UN. It was the straw that moved him from second worst, to worst president in my mind.

To say that a vote does not matter when selecting a president that is the worst ever, or one that will move us slightly back the direction we need to go is the choice, that is simply quitter speaking. Stand up and be counted.

We wont undo everything since the sherman act in a presidency. People are not ready for that. It will have to come in small steps, much like our freedoms were removed, that is if it can be done in peaceful ways that do not collapse us. That will largely be the choice of whom you vote for.

If you are for small government and do not go vote, you are voting for large government.

Go vote.

Hello richrobinson, I quite agree today’s moviegoers do not want movies that force one to think, to check their premises. We have a culture of entitlement right down to the point of expecting others to think for them. I am old school. One of my favorite channels is TCM. The old movies have style and intelligence. The dialogue from old movies had to move the storyline without fantastic special effects. I like special effects but the story and dialogue must be paramount. Regards, O.A.

I keep hearing everybody calling Romney a liar, but it's never followed with what he's lying about, just name calling. I'd like to know what he's lying about too.

Help me out here, Freedom. What specificaly is Romney lying about?

That is a huge concern. Actually, that's the objective of this whole new fight we're in. The fight isn't over land or country bounderies, it's over the hearts and minds of our friends and neighbors. Because the enemy is ignorance, and apathy--non thinking evasion.

I'd like to say I have hope for Romney, but he is a liar and a politician. He will accomplish nothing that he promises because his agenda is not included in those lies. Same as every president since the 50's (and others before then.) Voting in the US is the perfect example of Einsteins definition of insanity. Repeating the same action and expecting a different result.(paraphrased)
You are right that Waiting is not the answer.

Enjoy...I gotta bolt to the gym. Bye.

And that's the truth! I had a serious conversation with one of my longest, bestest friends last week. I haven't heard a word since, but if our friendship is over than I'm okay with that too. It needed to be said and I'm sick to death of people having their heads buried. Plus I'm not good at holding my tongue. Nothing new there. I just hope I planted a seed...

Can I just exactly echo what Rich just said? As I also have a small (tiny, miniscule) home business, but it helps make ends meet more so every month). I 100% agree and I will add that I think B.O. is dangerous....DAN-GER-OUS... more than we can imagine. He needs to go.

Your welcome. Off to read more of the book.

I think Romney will inch us in the right direction but we have to keep up the hard work of informing as many people as possible. This movie helps get the conversation going.

Very good Rich! I actually LOL'd, for reals. :) Thanks...can't wait to tell my Dad that one. (And I thought you forgot.... :))

True...and almost half the votes made are uninformed. ha ha