More Federal Ocean Takeover

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 8 months ago to Science
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Thief..this is thoroughly unconstitutional


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  • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, and then I wonder if this is all shoehorning in with a LOST Treaty.......

    Obubblehead and his pen can do a lot of damage in the next few months.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    US claims out to 150 miles for resource management 147 miles beyond it's territorial limit.

    I wonder if Tysons is busy stealing fishing boats on the Atlantic side too?
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  • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 8 months ago
    There is another in the works off the New England Coast. Fisheries will be locked up. But how much of these are actually extending into Territorial Waters?

    The land in question in Maine is private land being donated by the wife of the Burt's Bees guy. But if the State of Maine passed a law forbidding National Monuments within the State, that is something to consider. Governor LePage would have signed it if it was recent. Acadia National Park was private land before the Feds getting there hands on it. And now there are National Forests actually within some of the original 13, completely in defiance of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17. There is a constitutional doctrine called the Equal Footing Doctrine that maintains that any new state entered into the union does so upon an equal footing with the original 13. A1 S8 C17 applies also to the public lands States like my own State Nevada. We know how that has turned out.

    With that then, the 1906 Antiquities Act was passed in the context of protecting the major cliff dwellings on public lands in the west. With the understanding that just enough acreage needed to protect the archaeological resource would be set aside. Within two years "Little Teedy" Roosevelt completely abused this intention by designating the entire Grand Canyon as a National Monument in 1908.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    0 may very well be the next head of the UN and force upon the USA so many nasty things it will be unbelievable. When planes hit the twin towers they hit the wrong buildings, They should have hit the UN buildings. They would not have been replace but new apartment buildings would have taken their place with a good view of the east river. I just read he is going to sign the paris climate change deal without the okay of 2/3rds of the congress approval.
    Daily our world (USA) gets more and more sickening!
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree. O has been nothing but a puppet from day 1. His master(s) are hostile to the US, its Constitution, and way of life.

    Foreign powers? Islam? Soros? A combination of one or more of them I'm sure.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    This President is using the myth of global warming to break every part of the Constitution. He is the President of usurping moochers.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AJ,
    All this brainless puppet is doing is what someone is paying him to do regardless of any consequences incurred by the nation. Who ever it is that is paying him wants to destroy the nation for some purpose that I cannot fathom hard as I try. It is obvious that the nation is dying due to actions taken by the civil servants (that is a contradiction) who have NEVER contributed anything to the nation, nor do they intend too. The constitution of the USA is nothing more than an old piece of paper that has no meaning for these civil servants. If the elected representatives serving in the congress had a backbone they would have started impeachment proceedings against the man several years ago, but they are all in league with him because they are all birds of a feather. why they think that the largest of companies will continue to exist in the not to distant future when they do not have employees is beyond me.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 7 years, 8 months ago
    I guarantee that something else is going on here.
    These folks either create issues that don't exist in order to gain control ...
    OR:
    They create a ruse to cover up what's really happening.
    This sounds like the latter.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 8 months ago
    figures. . the u.s. is the enemy and we are just cogs
    in the taxable u.s. machine. -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let them eat fish cakes? Tysons of course will be excluded with their foreign owned but exclusive to our waters catch and deliver to the Tyson dock in Puget sound. First Pork Bellies for a hundred grand how much will these geedy grubber looter make off of this one. They are soooo transparent in ways they haven't imagines. You know of course about the Tyson pork belly deal but did iyou know about the takeover of the Pac NW fishing fleet in the nineties? What aload of crap this guys going for the big money deals before he's out of office and hillary starts feeding at the trough. I bet that pig makes a 100 million a year in the oval trough. If she gets in. No donations my ass they just change the name and keep it out of the country.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 8 months ago
    The Job-Killer-In-Chief just wants to ban fishing and mineral extraction over a large area.
    I recall libtards touting the value of keeping Mama Nature pristine before the handy dandy scam called manmade global warming/climate change came sleazing along.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 8 months ago
    What we need are the individual States to step up and insist on their participation in the creation - or expansion - of monuments. AND the States should run them not the Feds.

    I don't have a problem with parks per se. I do have problems with people who want to create parks using my money who then deny me the right to have a say in how that land is used!
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some state legislatures, the most recent being Maine, have explicitly passed laws denying permission for the transfer of land to the Federal government. Maine's law prohibits such transfers for the purpose of National Monuments. It is commonly dismissed as "symbolic" because everyone knows that the Federal government is ignoring it. Obama did just that in an act of staggering corruption with a wealthy political activist funding plans by the National Park Service to expand its own empire in defiance of Congress, the governor, the state legislature, and the local people who overwhelmingly oppose it.

    One fallacy seen frequently is that state denial of permission to cede territory violates the "supremacy clause of the Constitution", misrepresented to mean that the Federal government can do whatever it likes regardless of the states. That is of course false: the supremacy clause says that state law must be in accordance with the US Constitution and in accordance with Federal law that is itself in accordance with the Constitution. State law in accordance with Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 of course is directly in accordance with the Constitution and Federal statism ignoring that itself violates the supremacy clause.

    There is also no provision in the Constitution granting the Federal government the authority to buy and preserve land and water with National Parks or any equivalent.

    This post-constitutional era of rampant statism ignoring the Constitution except for some matters of procedure out of nothing but political momentum is frightening.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 8 months ago
    Obama has been exploiting the Antiquities Act of 1906 to decree National Monuments, grotesquely distorting its original purpose to protect objects of historical or scientific significance, like Indian artifacts, on Federal land and affecting the minimum amount of land required.

    Obama is using that minimal authority to lock up tens of thousands and even millions of acres of land and water, all with no statutory or constitutional authority. Progressives began this in relatively smaller amounts a hundred years ago, ultimately with the acquiescence of the Supreme Court interpreting an "object" to be any arbitrary size of anything while ignoring the lack of Constitutional authority. Obama is setting records in the size and number of these "Monuments".

    Much of it is a ruthless, cynical strategy to bypass the refusal of Congress to approve new National Park takeovers demanded by radical preservationists but rejected by local people and elected officials. Some of it is private property bought by viro activists to Federalize the land, deliberately eliminating private property rights on it forever in the name of a "gift" to forcibly impose their collectivist-statist eco-ideology. Normal people know that, at least in principle, such "gifts" to government agencies are the corruption of buying government policy. The targets are being selected and approved by the radical viro activists Obama appointed to key positions in government.

    People all over the country are up in arms over these ruthless decrees and staggering dictatorial corruption, but if that is mentioned at all in the "news" it is dismissed as "objections from some local people" and "economic interests", as if that doesn't matter. The New York Times represents the statist-collectivists advocacy http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/opi...

    ""[T]here is invariably complaining whenever Washington asserts a public interest in land that states and private interests think should be theirs."

    "It is our hope that Mr. Obama will continue to seek out good candidates for monument designation, regardless of the political opposition."

    This is very serious and of enormous scope, with terrible consequences, and there is a lot to it that most people know nothing about. Obama's record-setting abuse has even led to serious attempts in Congress to rein in the unilateral authority, which lost by one vote in the Senate last February.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 7 years, 8 months ago
    Hello AJAshinoff,
    Yes... Just more statist nationalism.

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--

    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild, and government to gain ground." Thomas Jefferson. Note:The spelling of yield as yeild is an accurate quote as Jefferson frequently used it.
    In this case the meaning "to gain ground." is quite literal and double entendre.

    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
    This shineola has gota stop...the federal kakistocracy should own nothing except it's own collective mistakes.
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