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Who are the men in an Objectivist culture/nation suited to govern?

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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This is a line of inquiry generated in responses to comments in a recent Post by khalling:
The Myth That Ideas Are a Dime A Dozen
Posted by $ khalling 1 day, 18 hours ago to Technology

It's difficult to imagine a group of Objectivists, egoist, creators wanting, striving for, gaining, and manipulating for governing power. Can an Objectivist be the governing power, and if so how is he chosen and controlled once selected to such position? We've never satisfactorily addressed that question on this site, at least to my satisfaction. The conflict between wanting to gain and maintain government power vs living an Objectivist, laissez faire capitalist life, seems at first glance to be overwhelming.

Rand seemed to deal with the conflict as: "The acceptance of the achievements of an individual by other individuals does not represent “ethnicity”: it represents a cultural division of labor in a free market; it represents a conscious, individual choice on the part of all the men involved; the achievements may be scientific or technological or industrial or intellectual or esthetic—and the sum of such accepted achievements constitutes a free, civilized nation’s culture." It is the acceptance of the achievements by other individuals by conscious, individual choice on the part of all men involved.

Jefferson dealt with it by suggesting the necessity of a revolution each generation. Does the space and verbiage utilized in this space devoted to the current political battle answer any part of this primary question? Or are we left with the old adage of 'At least 'such and such' will move us in the right direction' and is that even in the realm of true or reality?


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't forget, but I also agree with his Sedition Acts of 1798. Considering the time, the infancy of the government which, of course, must have been prone to mistakes and stumbles, foreign allegiances must have been widespread and very relevant. The colonists could easily have been swayed to follow a rebellion since foreign entities could have used the fledglings government inexperience to raise an insurgency.

    The most important aspect of the Sedition Acts to me, unlike the patriot act, was that it was put in place for a time to serve a needed purpose and then, in recognition of his unconstitutional nature, promptly put away.

    If only ...
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  • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, but many of the members of GC seem to believe that we not only need governing power, but that we should actively be involved in working to gain that power.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent "Oxymoron". But don't forget that John Adams, as President, put into place the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, then imprisoned newspaper owners and pamphleteers that disagreed with him. It was one of the major reasons that Jefferson ran for President.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago
    Take from this what you will

    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
    - John Adams

    By presenting this quote I'm only drawing a parallel that an Objectivist leader (oxymoron?) must have a like-minded Objectivist community if he/she has any hope to govern.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
    Governing?
    We don't need 'governing.' The few jobs to be done by what we call 'government' should not have significant power over free, productive, sovereign people. The job might be a place where someone learns about business before they graduate to a competitive real world productive position. It should not be a career or a final goal to be attained.
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