NHTSA puts out new vehicle standards

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"Standards for medium- and heavy-duty vehicles would improve fuel efficiency and cut carbon pollution to reduce impacts of climate change, while bolstering energy security and spurring manufacturing innovation. The proposed standards are expected to lower CO2 emissions by approximately 1 billion metric tons, cut fuel costs by about $170 billion, and reduce oil consumption by up to 1.8 billion barrels over the lifetime of vehicles sold under the program. These reductions are nearly equal to the greenhouse gas emissions associated with energy use by all U.S. residences in one year."

The agenda is as plain as day.
SOURCE URL: http://www.nhtsa.gov/Laws+&+Regulations/CAFE+-+Fuel+Economy/md-hd-2018-27-documents-082016


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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
    I Noticed more Notices than I care to notice.

    So, your telling me in a round about way that my next new car will cost more, maybe get 1MPG more that my last one, all for reducing one days worth of oil and carbon over a 20 year period...AND...that new car will likely be completely indistinguishable from all other models and makes due to cost savings needed to somehow save a thimbles worth of energy, a mere drop in the bucket, one grain of sand on the beach, and depriving plant life of what it needs to survive to boot ...wow, now that's progress.
    Did these idiots realize that they just deprived themselves of tax money on the savings?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago
      And that car will be more dangerous in accidents.

      "Did these idiots realize that they just deprived themselves of tax money on the savings?"

      If only they cared. It isn't about taxes, it's about control. The more government can restrict the free flow of labor, the more they can control industry. (See Adam Smith)
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 8 months ago
      No they do not realize that it will reduce tax revenues, there have been some well publicized gnashing of teeth from the wizards of smart in government over this...but that is not a problem....they can just raise the tax...[Or go to paying for road taxes by the mile which will require GPS Tracking ..even better!!!] ....after all isn't paying taxes the reason we all exist?
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  • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 8 months ago
    The New and Unabridged Federal Dictionary: Fact sheets - conjecture based on fiction. Also see "lies" and "deception" and "mass-delusion (federal)".
    Wonder how many freight trains it would take to replace these environmentally monstrous trucks? (Assuming someone could build roads for rails.)
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago
      For trains to run profitably they need like loads on as many cars as possible such as the one's bringing dirty coal from the east USA to the formerly pristine western usa while the cleaner burning coal is still locked up. I would guess that one of the largest similar load consists these days is Walmart products from the West Coast ports to the rest of the nation followed by Dollar Store etc. products.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 7 years, 8 months ago
    Fuel efficiency standards for commercial vehicles are a waste of time. Operators of these vehicles have always looked for the most efficient vehicles because fuel consumption directly impacts their bottom line. It's all about expanding government power.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 8 months ago
    Manufactures of any product will always be driven to make their machines more efficient while delivering the required power to do the work. Making demands that a machine meets a certain standard and expecting that somehow the market will invent the means is unrealistic. There is a finite amount of energy in any fuel and the requirement for power to accomplish the work will remain constant, a foot pound is still a foot pound. Commerce usually finds a method for sidestepping the requirements which often defeats the objective and the added cost of placting the beauracrat adds cost to the equipment; i.e. the requirements for trucks is not as stringent as family vehicles so the industry invents the SUV on a truck frame which the public purchases foregoing the more efficient smaller vehicles required to meet the mileage standards with the result of more gas consumption than if thevernment stayed out of the business of people control. More whales were saved by Rockefeller developing kerosene which replaced whale oil than all of the efforts of the "green' movement.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    More regulations means more costs. More costs mean higher prices. Higher prices means fewer buyers and more debt. In many cases people are forced to lease a car in order to keep the payments low. That translates into eternal debt since no equity is ever accrued nor ownership attained. One more way for government to gain control of our lives. The question is fast becoming, " are we too far down into collectivism to ever turn around no matter who gets elected?"
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  • Posted by DavidT 7 years, 8 months ago
    I think you misunderstand the intent of the interstate commerce clause. It was intended that the Fed's be able to prevent trade wars between the states, using tariffs and such. It was never intended to allow the Fed's to regulate everything that either crosses state lines, or affects the markets for things that do.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 8 months ago
    States are already shifting to a mileage-based road tax, and away from a gasoline/diesel consumption tax, in anticipation of higher mileage cars. There's even some talk of a special "premium" tax on electric cars, since the perception is that they create a greater demand on the electric power grid.

    There ain't no free lunch.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago
      The trick - of course - is going to be monitoring. The Feds would love nothing more than GPS devices in every vehicle so they can track your every move and assess road taxes based on travel, but those types of monitoring bring their own privacy concerns - and the threats of hacking. Some guys demonstrated just how easy it is to completely take over a car equipped with OnStar:

      https://www.hackread.com/start-gm-car...
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 8 months ago
        I think most states are simply going to record the mileage from the odometer to compute the tax. The states talking about a mileage tax already record the number when they do a safety/emission test each year, so the tax will be a simple multiplier of the miles traveled from year to year. No GPS needed.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago
          Probably, but they are also going to get the objections from those who note - accurately IMHO - that it won't account for any out-of-state miles. Wherever the car is registered will get the money - not where it travels. That's especially problematic for transport haulers.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 8 months ago
            Transport haulers are already highly taxed, with license fees ostensibly aimed at offsetting highway damage. Smaller states deliberately jack up the fees, assuming that many trucks may pass through the state without refueling, and provide no fuel tax revenue.

            States already deal with gas tax avoiders - mainly people who live close to state lines where the neighboring state has lower fuel tax rates, and a lower cost per gallon. No system is perfect, and as you point out, even GPS records can be hacked.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 8 months ago
    NHTSA's notions of vehicle safety have always been backward as far as I'm concerned. Their main emphasis, from their beginning in 1973 to now, has been to insist that vehicles be made less and less sturdy, because they believe that the biggest hazard on the road is a driver who can be confident that his vehicle can make it through a crash without taking expensive damage. Thus even big rigs nowadays are made of fiberglass. This is idiotic. As far as I'm concerned a safe vehicle is a Sherman tank, just as it always has been.

    And EPA's fuel economy standards are worse than unnecessary. They kill thousands every year by forcing drivers into smaller, lighter weight vehicles where they will die in crashes they would otherwise survive. I doubt that the reduction in pollution saves even 1/10 as many lives. If it saved more, then I'd be for it.

    The one good thing I can say about federal vehicle standards is that at least they're not an unconstitutional power (to the extent that vehicle sales are interstate commerce).
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago
      While I agree with the first two paragraphs, the third is incorrect. The power to regulate Interstate Commerce only grants the Federal Government the ability to nullify interstate tariffs. The intent of that clause was to prevent trade wars and other isolationist behavior on the part of the States in relationship to other States. It was never meant to allow the Federal Government to monitor or police commerce itself - let alone use such powers to monitor the actual trafficking of goods between the States. The only Constitutional powers related to Trade delegated to the Federal Government is the power to lay tariffs on foreign goods coming to this nation and the power to negotiate treaties (including trade deals).
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 8 months ago
    The first sentence ends with climate change etc.
    that was as far as I would read. What if the Farmers Almanac is correct about the coming winter and if it does come to pass that tells me the next winter will be as cold or colder and if so will these people who dream up these rules will continue to preach global warming, probably yes and will do so until they find themselves living in an igloo. When you hear the term "no brainer" you are hearing about these people because they haven't one.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 7 years, 8 months ago
    We have energy security...it exists in North Dakota!

    The Obama administration would prefer to force us to buy from his Arab/Muslim buddies, yet make it look like it's they who are doing the forcing.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 8 months ago
    these political hacks are determined to enrich AlGore
    in any way they can, as fast as they can. . still bitter
    over the election in 2000, this is revenge; yes?! -- j
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
    I dont believe anything our government claims nowadays. Its all politics that somehow I am going to have to pay for in increased vehicle costs one way or the other. Not to mention all the government money that will be spend developing and enforcing the regulations.

    If I was king, this would be one of many alphabet agencies I would simply immediately close down. I might not get through them all before I was assassinated, though, by the special interests.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 8 months ago
    In a truly free society, Underwriters' Laboratories should handle this. And some of those standards, as their own text points out, have nothing to do with safety.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago
    What another set of changes that will affect miniscule amounts with prosaic but unsupportred claims but raise prices and there fore sales taxes etc. while our dolllar buying value gets set for another major hit?

    When do I stop laughing.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
      I dont laugh. I am disgusted. My way of dealing with this is to NOT buy as many new cars, period. We as americans often buy new cars because they are cool, are status symbols, and we just want something new. BUT, a car is a tool to get around, and I am definitely going back to that. As long as it gets me there OK, I will keep it. That way I dont have to fund the system with sales taxes, and give in to the government's controlling of the industry.
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