Trump: The Most "Unprincipled" Presidential Candidate Ever

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Written for the Gulch: One Objectivists view of why Donald Trump has no philosophy in the Randist sense, and thus, has no consistent political principles.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 4 years, 1 month ago
    I think we are worrying too much about Trump's obvious rough manner of speaking and personality traits. We also worry too much about the office of the president. If we can take what he is saying he will ATTEMPT to do as even partially true, he is BY FAR the better choice.

    In the end, however, what we will see, if he wins, is that our "separation of powers" will FINALLY be implemented full swing again. The DC political class are not going to just lay down for him as they did for Obama, for whatever reason you wish to assign (they liked what Obama was doing to gather power, his skin color, his thuggishness, and fear). For Hillary, it will be business as usual and we will continue our way over the abyss of tyranny.

    It used to be that "citizen politicians" were what we desired. Why not now? Trump ain't perfect. No one will ever be. However, he's done well in his business and, if you look at his family, he seems to be a pretty good guy. No, he doesn't study the Constitution, probably wouldn't recognize it if it was laid down in front of him. However, he's obviously not stupid and he will learn. In no way do I think he is evil. I think he's just a carnival barker-ish (a very American historical character) guy who wants to do good for his country. I tend to think positively about people until they prove me wrong. There's nothing in his past that would make me believe that he wants to destroy this country as Obama has wanted to do. Hillary just doesn't care what happens to the country or its people as long as it benefits her. This, alone, makes it imperative that he wins.

    And, in the meantime, how do we start a strong movement to oust politicians after one or two terms in office? Many of this country's problems would be fixed if WE THE PEOPLE implemented term limits by voting out incumbents every election.
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    • Posted by EdGoldstein 4 years, 1 month ago
      The more I think about it , the more I like the idea that Trump does not have any political principals. I think he is an honest man who knows how corrupt things are from having to pay off the thugs. He has enough ego to think he can fix things. I want to give him the chance.
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 4 years, 1 month ago
        Yes, this has been my thought process, too. He is a New Yorker, so he was immersed in business there and, by default, its politics. However, his thought processes and the way he speaks seems more AMERICAN in general, rather than political. You know what I mean? He says things like "I love you" a lot to his crowds at the end of his speeches. What politician does that? I think there's a good chance he actually cares about ALL people no matter their political affiliation. And, that is part of the reason this country is going off the rails. In today's world, a person's politics is going to determine how you deal with them. Really? Is that how it's supposed to be? I don't think so. It may explain why he actually does have cross-over appeal. I'm hoping for a landslide this November, but with the "R" party doing its best to sabotage, who knows?
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 4 years, 1 month ago
      This!! No matter which party controls Congress, Trump will never have majority support. If Hillary gets a Democratic Congress, it's gonna be FDR, LBJ and Dubya all over again.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 1 month ago
        So your answer is:? Somehow stating the obvious over and over is not changing my mind but causing me to dig in.

        There is no which party. There is one party the Government Party Deomcrat Socialists to the left and Republicans in Name Only to the near left AKA right wing of the left. We are in a one party system of government now. 'Think of that when you vote locally. Nits breed Gnats.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years, 1 month ago
    I found the article superficial, a lot of conclusions, but not many specifics. So, if their is no Objectivist candidate, do we disdain them all, or pick based on reasoned thought, dismissing most of what the moron media gives us? Trump is like an old time businessman, the self-promotion is part of it. However, he managed to avoid alcohol based on family history, and he raised level-headed kids. If he was as self-promoting as the article said, he woudl have crashed and burned in business by now. We have to choose a candidate, we can't just sit on our hands and flip a coin on election day. Remember Obama, no vetting by the press, no background checks, and Brit DNA tests show he is not even related to the Obama! Have you seen a marriage photo, the kids as babies? We know way more about Hillary. She pent time in the h hospital pre-college for being manic,she has lied her whole lif,e and tried to manipulate Watergate documents as a college student. She has become rich selling out our country, over $100 million. Now she wants to mplement UN Agenda 21, end property rights, brind our economic level down - even if it mans asking law enforcement fi they will use guns against US citizens to implement Agenda 21. Gus gun bans are not for those promoting her agenda. Hillary is a Marxist and her 92-page thisis says it all. So, Trump is not a politician, does not watch every word and does not express a political philosophy, so? I worked in a Congressional office, and I can tell you political philosophy goes out the window with polls and reelection campaigns.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 1 month ago
    Trump reminds me of someone who has had 4 martinis too many. He believes he knows everything and anyone who disagrees must be crushed.
    Unfortunately Trump never sobers up.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 4 years, 1 month ago
    I agree that Trump is not a great choice, hell he's not even a good choice. But he is the only choice that can beat Hillary. And for that reason alone he has my vote.
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  • Posted by sailfast 4 years, 1 month ago
    LOL. Dry gulched again. The pure Objectivists, the pure Conservatives, having accomplished nothing in the past 55 years ,argue over angels on the head of a pin while the last hope of freedom sends them in to fits of jealous rage.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 1 month ago
    Amazing that he waltzed right through the republican party nomination. Says a lot for these morons.

    The only thing that constrains him is his ego and self-interest, much more predicable, less dangerous and lesser of two evils WRT Hillary. She is still the worst.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
    Could be, but not important. With a lifetime of selling everything they can, access being a major item in their inventory, I'll take my chances with Trump. This past two weeks of anything "establishment" (media, Dems, and GOP) massive attacks on Trump shows the Fallacy of Diversion, as well as outright lies, works well.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
      He has deserved most of the attacks.
      Trump is scary! Not that Hillary isn't.
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      • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 1 month ago
        Trump may be his worst enemy, not because of what he says, but how he says it. Like Zig Ziglar used to say, "It's not the same to say you look like the first day of spring, than to say you look like the first day after a long hard winter."
        Nevertheless, once said and the media and never trumpers attack him, it turns out he was bringing our attention to something that needed attention.
        For example, BHO/Hillary started ISIS. No one would say it, he did. Media and never trumpers went like sharks on a feeding frenzy. It turns out, that now that it's out there, it's true. There's even a video of BHO in a conference before pulling out of Iraq in which he lists the organizations the United States was training at the time to help the Iraqi government, in the list, yes he did, he said we were training the ISIS group in Iraq. That in addition to the historical events that took place after we left Iraq. Somewhat like Nixon and Vietnam.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
        Whether the attacks are justified is not the issue. Either Hillary or Trump will win. So, fight against Trump, bitch and moan he is not conservative enough, or enough of anything you want, and Hillary wins. Then picture the supreme court, the lower courts, and all the government agencies peopled by Hillary folks. That is the issue. This election is not Hillary v Trump. Trump has exposed that the Big Government Party of all factions, would rather have one their own in power than anyone who would threaten their power. This is the reason you see all those in power going against Trump. It has nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with keeping the power the establishment has seized. These attacks on Trump are textbook Red Herrings.
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        • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
          Yes it is the issue: Trump is no more worth voting for than Hillary. Of course, it depends on which issues you think are most important. I don't happen to see the supreme court as the biggest issue.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
            When the statists control the Supreme Court you will think it is a big issue.

            Just as SCOTUS came up with Obamacare is a tax and not a mandated fee, the court can decide anything is what they say it is. “Micro-aggression” is more than only the start of the end of free speech, and the 3rd, 4th, and 6th amendments have so many holes in them already from existing court decisions it will not take much to eliminate any protection at all from them or the rest of the constitution. The Court is a major issue.

            The entire court system is now so corrupt it is difficult to find a judge who actually knows the law rather than the judge knows the people in power who made and confirmed the appointment. Look at the AG, the FCC that wants to take over the internet, the FBI who is obviously giving passes to the political elite, and add hundreds of other examples, THEN make it even worse when Hillary gets in. Record numbers of Americans became ex-pats not only by moving out, but by giving up their citizenship. Today, under the law, if you give up your citizenship due to taxes, then the government claims the right to tax you for an additional 10 years. The next will be a prohibition to leave and a requirement to repatriate any money you have outside the country. This is not merely Hillary v Trump, this is Hillary and the establishment against the population. And, here, as in Argentina, Italy, and ever so many countries, the people initially vote in the dictator. The history is there, all within the last 100 years.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 1 month ago
    So he will adhere to his own self interests. Perhaps, being so narcissistic and a "praise and fame hound"...it will be in his own self interest to something good.
    Now, all we have to worry about is his interpretation of what is good.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
      Exactly.
      One's self interest should never in conflict with what is best for a country. But when the country becomes Statist as in the U.S., then conflict should exist. Unfortunately, Trump is too much of a Statist and a pragmatist.
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      Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 1 month ago
      We've already seen self interest and reckless carelessness with Hillary. We already have a narcissist in office. What would be Trump's self interest then? Obviously he doesn't need the money. He's not even going to get paid while in office. He's doesn't need new business connections to grow Trump Enterprises which he'll detach himself from while in office. He doesn't need recognition or more self promoting as we all have seen. Someone who doesn't want to get America in wars we don't belong in or start wars we won't finish.
      So, for the pragmatic me, is to go with the non-politician that's sick and tired of business as usual in D.C., like me, that says he will go after corruption, improve trade to benefit America, bring back jobs others have exported, make our military strong in a dangerous world, leave state level decisions at state level where they belong and keep America's sovereignty, among other things. Some of the things may have been said by other career politicians, but I believe them like I believe CNN is not for Hillary. If he does half of what he promised and how he promised. I'll be a happy camper.
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  • Posted by chad 4 years, 1 month ago
    Two bad choices do not leave those with morals with the option of choosing the lesser of two evils. If candidate A will bind the people with a thousand ropes and candidate B only bind them with nine hundred and fifty there is no choice. To choose B with the hope that next 'year' or next 'election' we will make a difference then and choose someone who would untie the ropes is to place hope where there is none. The only purpose of elections is to one keep the populace entertained believing they are doing their 'part' and making a difference and for the socialists to observe how far they can go. Given the two candidates currently running they can do whatever they want and the sheep will accept whatever torment they are given.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 1 month ago
    Why should he/ He is not an objectivist why judge him as if he was. Although his business decisions based on the laws in play at the time seemed very un-subjective.

    It's obvious he lived by the principles of the country and it's government and became despite all that the ulitmate outsider. I'm sure you establishment ass kissers rallied to save your little right wing corner of the left but that's all I see you doing just more thinly disguised left wing BS. At this point there are two choices. Comrade Hillary and socialist autocracy funded by the turf protecting establishment

    or

    See what the Ultimate Outsider can do. No way it can be anthing worse that a continuation of the crap shoeled on our plates day in day out.

    Take your left wing government and shove it I aint loyal to you anymore.

    Constitutional Republic if you don't like it get out of my country. take Wilson Roosevelt Johnson, Clinton Obama and Clinton with you.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 1 month ago
    Trump may be unprincipled, but his opponent does have principles. Illustrated by her past actions, her principles are so evil, the an unprincipled person looks saintly by comparison.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 4 years, 1 month ago
    Unfortunately, the upcoming election is about who will do the most damage to the country not about who will do the most good. Consider that a Clinton victory would probably sweep more liberals into congress than a win by Trump. The impact of this would be devastating. A Trump victory, on the other hand would likely result in a stalemate between the executive and legislative branches. Trump could, as he has promised, rescind many of Obama's executive orders but passing any major new legislation would be a steep climb. My real concern is that Trump is acting like someone that doesn't actually want to win.
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    • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 1 month ago
      Oh, he wants to win.
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      • Posted by ProfChuck 4 years, 1 month ago
        I am sure he wants to win but his tendency to shoot himself in the foot may reveal his subconscious fear of victory. His most dangerous foe is the mainstream media and they pounce on anything he says that could be misconstrued and used against him. However, he has a powerful weapon that he can use against them if he chooses to do so. He can point out that they are trying to influence the outcome of the election. That means that they want to influence rather than inform the electorate. That is the task of a propagandist not of a journalist. If he were to declare loud and clear and repeatedly that the MSM is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the liberal-progressive establishment and cannot be regarded as legitimate journalists he would produce copy that would be impossible to ignore. Also in stead of speaking in a way that can be understood he should speak in a way that cannot be misunderstood.
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 4 years, 1 month ago
    I thought this article was a piece of junk. What arrogance this author has ! Trump turned a few million into multiple billion over 30 years by hard deal-making and knowledge of his industry. Does the author not deem whatever it required for Trump to achieve this 'work' ? Or only opining of the author is work ? Reading it certainly is.

    "Objectivists have no problem with self-promotion and EARNED fame and fortune. They do have a problem with con men and snake oil salesmen who buy votes based on fraud and conscious misrepresentation of their intentions. In a very real sense, Donald Trump is the most unprincipled person ever to run for the Presidency."

    What shred of evidence does the author offer to make this assertion ?
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    • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
      He gave you the evidence. Trump is a pure pragmatist. No rational person could vote for him - unless he really believed that Hillary would do more damage. I think this is the first time in our history where it would be appropriate for the entire country to abstain from voting.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 4 years, 1 month ago
        So much agonizing over two awful choices. Why is no one mentioning the best third choice, Gary Johnson, an honest and decent man, successful businessman, term limits supporter, small-government and individual freedom advocate. If you want to abstain from voting because of the two rotters offered, vote for Gary Johnson, Libertarian. In fact, vote for him in any case.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 1 month ago
    Looking at the alternative, whatever Trump is or ends up not being, that's what I am at the moment. Right now I'm for taking the power away from corrupt lifelong career politicians for either party. That's why Trump is fighting on all three fronts against fearful politician, complicit media and a dreadfully corrupt Clinton crime family.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
      The problem with Trump is that he is the result of the Rep. elites failing to uphold principles. Voters then, without guidance, simply looked for a non-politician, ignoring the fact that other candidates existed who were not "corrupt lifelong career politicians" who actually could have beat Hillary.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
        Other than Rand Paul and Carson, I can't put my finger on even one of the 17 candidates who was not a deeply entrenched Establishment politician.
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        • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
          Cruz would have been the best choice and would have own in Nov.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
            To me Cruz was a typical lying, cheating, politician. I liked him at first, but Iowa showed his true colors and he confirmed his lying and cheating throughout, up to and including the GOP convention. This Christian apologist needs to be impeached or not re-elected. He, and his family, are 100% establishment in the sense they will do anything for power and money. Just check out his wife and brother --- actually add his parents and their relationship to the parents of Hinkley. I could go on, but I prefer to watch the Olympics. Cruz is crap. Not that I am opinionated, right?
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            • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
              So you're just one of those who eliminated those who could beat Hillary. I guess you aren't too negative on her.

              BTW, Cruz was far more correct on the issues than any other candidate. Given the candidates we have now, any lying on his part was not significant.
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              • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
                You can’t tell if Cruz was good on the issues because he was such a liar. After he dropped out I discovered the book “Liar, Liar, Cruz on Fire” which details a lot of lies he made — including the whole story he repeated ad nauseam of his father.

                I was happy to see Cruz go, that is for sure. Given Cruz lies and cheats (but not as well as Hillary), he is hardly a good choice. Rand was my first choice. When he dropped out, that left Carson who could not win, and Trump who would shake things up. I have not voted anything but LP since there was an LP, but I will vote Trump to shake up the establishment. If he were not such a threat, the media and the BGP establishment would not be so violently against him to the point of instigating violence, publishing totally made up stories, and twisting his words. The behavior of the establishment alone should be enough to point voters toward Trump. Anything else be worse than what we have because Hillary will increase all the bad things until we have Venezuela in America.
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                • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
                  He didn't win because of people like you who did not see his ideology - much better than everyone else. Yes Rand had some positives, but a terrible foreign policy. Trump can't win because he is too irrational, pragmatic, egotistical, dangerous.
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                  • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 1 month ago
                    If I was the cause, I wear the badge proudly. But he did not win because enough others saw through his BS. He ended up, as Ann Coulter said (and I don't usually like her) that Cruz lost and he turned out to be the bitch who just could not get over it. Texas will not be well served if they re-elect this liar in two years when he runs again.

                    An all this does not even take into account he is religious nut case.
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      • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 1 month ago
        But none was left standing. For today and now, it's Trump. Your argument is a consideration next elections. In this election only one of two candidates is going to win the presidency. No one else can. Anyone who says otherwise is dreaming. If Hillary wins, we'll have a third Obama like term or should I say a Mr. Thompson like term. Then I hope the Gulch is a real place.

        For me, elected national positions should be a term limit positions, not a cash cow. Harry S. Truman once said something to the effect that no man could get rich in politics, unless he was a crook. We've seen too many of those recently. State level, I don't care whatever the individual States like.
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        • Posted by tdechaine 4 years, 1 month ago
          But that's my point: the defeated others were defeated out of ignorance of the real problem; that ignorance will cost Rep.s the election. The elites will still be in power in '20 since no lesson was learned here.
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