Americans being evacuated from Iraqi air base as militants advance

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The development signals the worsening security environment in the northern part of the country. One senior official told Fox News that the focus for evacuation at this point is on people outside of Baghdad.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
    How the hell did we ever thing we'd make a difference over there in hell land anyway... they will never change, they've been the same for centuries, it's ingrained in them and very few escape it, and if they do they don't change their way of thinking and they go right back to the same living conditions all over again. The world is going to hell in a hand basket and too many aren't taking notice, or care. When they bring their shit HERE, where do WE escape to??? And bo wants out guns... WAKE UP AMERICA!
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    • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
      I don't think the administration cares about the mid terms anymore. They are focused on their goal. Weaken America and remove our influence around the world.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
        Yes, and BO is doing a damn fine job of it too. Stellar! THIS is the president of the United States...can you effing believe it??
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        • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
          No. I really can't. Even the lemmings that voted for him have to disgusted at some point. Too late I'm afraid.
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          • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
            I wonder how many of his voters are disgusted vs how many even notice what he's doing, or care. This country would be in an uproar if they really realized what the hell he's done/doing. Too late is right. Idiots.
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            • Posted by edweaver 11 years, 10 months ago
              There are still way too many voters that have no clue what is going on. They are way too involved in rooting for their favorite sports team to pay attention to the important stuff. :(
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            • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
              Keep in mind... its the FM versus AM radio dial crowd. Most of his voters are too busy worrying who Kanye West is dating.
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
                It really does seem like hollywooders are tools for the gov doesn't it? Tools of distraction, bread and circuses stuff. No wonder so many of them are liberal heavy weights. They eat of the attention from the white house AND the fans (second handers!) For the life of me I can not figure out why it's fashionable to be in the know about movie stars.... how do people even have time to waste on that crap? WAKE UP AMERICA YOUR FREEDOM IS CRUMBLING AND KANYE KARDASHIAN IS A BAG OF NOTHING! (I only know who he is because I have to grocery shop and while I'm waiting for the hippo in front of me who's paying for her two carts full of junk food with her snap card and taking too long, I have only the rag mag covers to glare at until it's finally my turn to pay, with my own money...THAT I EARNED.) A few days, while I was waiting in line I almost bit my tongue off to keep me from blurting out..."Am I paying for that?"
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
    I said this before the whole thing started over there and I will say it again.

    We cannot make the changes that are needed there in the short amount to time that America currently has for an attention span.

    For God's sake we are still in Germany and the Germans are much closer to us culturally. For us to actually succeed at the task that we set ourselves it would require a massive investment over the course of at least 100 years and we simply do not have the attention span nor the money to follow through on that.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 11 years, 10 months ago
      Honestly we could and should have left Germany a long time ago.

      Or failing that at least have the Germans subsidize the cost. As it is we are paying for Europe's defense for no discernible reason.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
        While I completely agree. Germany is a good example of the kind of longevity and resources that we have placed in Europe, that we have not been willing to place do elsewhere.

        We needed to be in Germany until about 1991 when the wall fell but if it hadn't been for Russia we could likely have left Germany in the 60's or 70's at the latest.

        So let's use Germany as a yardstick. That puts us in Germany for 15 to 25 years before we had completed the mission with the Germans, if you ignore the Russian part of that equation.

        The Germans have always been much closer to us philoscopally than the Arabs, so that would suggest that we would need to be in any Arab country much longer than we have been in Germany and likely by a factor of 3 or 4. This means that to complete the mission in Iraq at the shortest amount of time possible we would have needed to spend at least 45 years there and likely nearer to 100.

        Now I do not in any way support the policy of nation building that America has attempted to at least pose as following. It seems that the policies of America have been more akin to intentionally causing unrest in as many places as possible, mainly to keep the arms manufactures in business but this shows that our policies of the last 20 years or so in the Middle East have actually been nothing more than a way to keep things off balance.

        My question is why? Who is to gain? Any policy that is advanced lines someone pockets. You might answer it is the arms manufacture again but I believe that there is more to this and while I do not have the answer. I am sure that there are people here who have some idea as to the answer.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
      I think we would if there was an economic incentive to do so. I just don't see it though. They are practically in the stone ages.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
        The oil would be incentive enough if we had ever taken it but that would have the left howling at the moon.
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        • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
          The funny thing about Middle East oil... its some pretty thick sludgy stuff... our refineries are better-designed for West Texas style light/sweet crude.

          I'm not an oil expert, but I think the ME stuff is mostly used for diesel and shipping fuel. We actually get very little, if any, oil from the Middle East. Its more about stabilizing world markets (for the US interests).
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  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 10 months ago
    The word I get, is that the man we left in charge, brought this debacle on himself. He replaced good men, who might have been loyal, with cronies and hacks. I have no sympathy for a leader who does things like that.

    What concerns me is that we have a (de facto) President determined to let all fossil fuels "stay in the ground," and who is making no effort to substitute a truly concentrated source of energy, like nuclear fuel, for fossil fuels. Bob Beckel, the token leftist on "The Five," called upon Obama to do this. But he will not.

    I think Obama is making a long-range play for UN Agenda 21. Which calls for restricting human activity to about ten percent of the current land area, and forcing human beings to pack themselves into multi-level mixed-use sardine cans.
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 10 months ago
      On agenda 21, I think you are right.but...he can’t get it done in the time he has left no matter what stunts he pulls.
      Some who post around here are concerned with what they see as a buildup of Fema/military camps nationwide along the routes of the proposed Agenda 21 corridor.. Playing around with possible scenarios, I came up with this instead: perhaps those camps are designed to hold illegal immigrants until they can move them into habitable zones. Why would any person serious about Agenda 21 stop at our borders for their planning if they have the authority of the United States government to work with? Perhaps Obama is allowing illegal immigrants to waltz right into our country to lessen or empty the population of other countries. That 10% percent figure is a world-wide goal, not just areas within our borders.
      I wish we could prove that there are those within this administration that are aiding the coyotes. I strongly suspect it.
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  • Posted by katrinam41 11 years, 10 months ago
    Please accept my sincerest apologies. I normally check things like these quotes out thoroughly, but this time I really flubbed it. Here is the correction:
    Did Obama Really Say This on "Meet the Press"?
    NO, ACCORDING TO SNOPES http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/sta...

    he did not say the following--and he did not appear on Meet the Press on this particular day as described below. Political columnist John Semmens of The Arizona Conservative supposedly wrote Obama's quotation as satire.

    Again, I apologize and will thoroughly vet any further posts before I send them to the Gulch or to anyone else!
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    • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
      You saw it as possible...and I saw it the same, given the subject.

      The irony is that the satire is close to the truth...and that the truth is not far from the satire.

      Don't put on your hair cloth shirt just yet...history is on your side!
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  • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
    Anyone getting deja vu about the fall of Saigon on this one? I'm waiting to see the last helicopter leave the roof of our embassy as Obama & Kerry's forces retreat and lower the flag as Al Qaeda raises their black Islamic flag over the US Embassy in Baghdad... what a "proud day" that should be for the Obama regime.

    From now on, I vote we no longer refer to it as an administration... Obama's court is a "regime" that needs to go at this point.

    So much for "increasing America's prestige around the world". Losing a massive embassy to a bunch of Talibani's & Jihadis will look "wonderful" when broadcast around the world on Al Jezeera.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
    The place has a lot of problems... Obama is looking for someone to stand up and lead, but anyone capable of speaking up and leading was put in the ground by Saddam long ago, much like the problem Mexico has... anyone "industrious" or "intelligent" pretty much left for the US.

    Nonetheless, we own it. Obama can't turn his back on this, he pulled our troops out with a half-hearted BS attempt at failing to negotiate a status of forces agreement, and used that as an excuse to leave.

    Trying to integrate Shia (oppressed by Saddam for decades), Sunni (was the oppressor.. now the tables have turned) and Kurdish (gassed by Saddam) into the same government is probably quite a stretch... and maybe letting the country split is really the best way forward.

    I agree with one thing Obama said though, the fact that 55,000 police & military will lay down their arms and run with something like 7,000 to 9,000 rag-tags approaching them in Toyota pickup trucks is very disheartening. The fact that they "can" is pretty astounding... in the American military, that is desertion and punishable by life or death - see story on Bowe Bergdahl...

    It would seem that they don't have the ability to fight off this threat, and it also seems like everyone else needs some skin in the game. Hell, we're oil exporters now... do we really care what the price of oil does? (I'm on solar and have an EV for a daily-driver... so maybe I don't really care either).

    Seems like the Saudis and the UAE need to step up with some of that military aid they give them, take the lead on this one, and run their butts back across the border. Having a column of a retreating or advancing army on a highway really isn't much of an issue for us... look at what we did to the Iraqi's when they were running from Kuwait. Speaking of which, seems like the Iraqi army likes to run a lot more than they would prefer to fight... so maybe its too much to assume any of this out of them. There is Blackwater and other security firms... maybe Maliki needs to consider outsourcing. He could probably get bang for the buck out of 50,000 men from Blackwater than he would ever get out of 500,000 towel-heads.
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    • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
      There is a great of wisdom in what you say...the two-lane blacktop retreat from Kuwait, could be the current "pictures at 11" for the rush to Bagdad.

      Hard to keep a scorecard on the 'teams' vying for control, since we have seemed to have invested in all of them, at one point or another. Maybe an Arab 'killing fields' is in order....

      I do believe (to my dying breath) that we need to watch...and cover...Israel's back.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
        It really does seem like at this point, for them to have freedom security, they either need to provide it with their own blood (and it will mean something then), or give up their treasure and hire mercenaries (like Blackwater) to do it for them.

        We can't change their culture, and we can't teach them courage.. they need to find that inside. My experience with them has always been a bunch of wimps.. I'm sorry to say, but its the truth. They only fight when there are some big strong Americans standing next to them or behind them... take that away and it falls apart immediately (as we just saw).

        I was integrated into UN forces in Africa during the Rwandan relief crisis (as much as US troops are ever "integrated"... not much... ) and it was the same thing there (African national armies). Bunch of wimpy-looking skinny dudes holding hands with each other (literally) in the bush with their rifles 400 yards away in the back of their truck. The stuff you see on TV... the propaganda videos of them jumping out of foxholes or whatever to unsuspecting victims.. never really happens... if they can't blow someone up with a tripwire or something, they are rarely around for the fight.

        A resurgence of Russian nationalism is a little scary... as an armed forces, I think we got a little used to enemies that really don't fight back very much, or even have the means to do so, having to confront another superpower at some point would dramatically change our way of thinking in terms of national security and defense.
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        • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
          True about the "superpower" wakeup call...but I would add Red China.
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          • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
            As much as they blow smoke, militarily, they have a very long way to go... it takes a lot more than a lot of people to build nuclear aircraft carriers that can carry battle wings and stay at see for months, or submarines that can remain under the ocean for a year.

            Whenever given the choice, they like to steal what they think is advanced technology and then build a cheapie knock-off of it (like their first aircraft carrier, that is really more or less a cargo ship). They lack targeting systems, smart weapons, and the military contractor industrial complex to invent and build them...

            Innovation just isn't their strong suit.

            The Russians already figured most of that out, they have some issues with quality, but they can definitely do it.
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            • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
              Wow!

              I had typed out a great (in my opinion) reply...but lost it while looking up a word!

              Summery: Numbers count (like size), and just a few well planned pre-emptive strikes will put us back into December 6th, 1941.

              The EMP reality is the game changer...and I suspect that China is on top of this.
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              • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
                Hey, Rocky! here's a couple of ways to
                hold onto a great reply while looking up a word:::

                first way -- open up a new browser window
                alongside the gulch window and use it to look up
                the word, then return to the gulch window.

                second way -- snapshot the reply by pressing
                shift+Prt-Scn, and then paste the image (Ctrl+v)
                into a Word document (or file) for safe-keeping.
                I snapshot most of my gulch stuff into word, so
                that I can use it for future reference.

                try it;; you might like it!!! -- j

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                • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
                  I'm going to try the new tab like you suggest.

                  My problem is learning this new Microsoft 8.1, everything is so different from my old XP!
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                  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
                    Win 8 sucks. I won't be moving to it other than on the tablet that I purchased merely to view books and Netflix. I'll stick with Win 7 and Office 2003, both which seemed to be the apex of their type.
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                    • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
                      When I first built this computer with win 8 on it I thought "where's the beef"? It just seemed that the interface was under powered and I couldn't find things. After a year of daily use I've come to enjoy 8.1 more than win 7, it's just different.

                      I should confess that I'm running a 23" touch screen monitor on this computer and I really do feel that's opened up the real power of 8.1 for me.
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                      • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 10 months ago
                        It is obvious that 8.1 is meant for touch screen, and would be awesome in that mode...but I only have a desktop computer, and have to use the mouse to get around.

                        I'm growing to like 8.1 more each day, although I do most of my work from the desktop app.
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              • Posted by scojohnson 11 years, 10 months ago
                Not really, it hurts our economy tremendously, but virtually all of our military forces are shielded from it. Even back in the 80's & 90's, all military CC&C equipment was heavily shielded against multi-megaton EMP blasts. The Russians dreamed that up decades ago as well.
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  • Posted by katrinam41 11 years, 10 months ago
    I submit the following as one reason we have so many problems in the Middle East---The piece is by Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post'.

    Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening.

    The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised
    "Meet The Press". From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008 11 : 48 : 04 EST,
    Televised
    "Meet the Press"
    THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.
    General Bill Gann' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
    The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code,
    Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171...
    During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention
    facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least,
    "Stand
    and Face It".

    Senator Obama replied :
    "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American
    flag is a symbol of oppression..." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing."

    Obama continued : "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing'. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my
    opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East
    Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ....."

    When I Become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the
    nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past".

    "Of course now, I have found myself about to become The President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look
    forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

    Yes, you read it right. I for one, am speechless!!!

    Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post


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  • Posted by NealS 11 years, 10 months ago
    As one Iraq War Veteran told some of us Vietnam veterans at the VFW, "Now, I can understand how you felt after the surrender of Saigon".
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    • Posted by aogilmore 11 years, 10 months ago
      So how did you feel? I, for one, was glad we finally got the hell out of there, as was anyone with a lick of sense. I was due for the draft in a few more years. We should not have been in Vietnam or in Iraq. Period.
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      • Posted by NealS 11 years, 10 months ago
        I felt let completely let down. I wanted to know, why did we let so many of our youth die, and after winning this thing, let the Communists just have South Vietnam? I actually thought it ended when we left, the North seemed to think it was over too. A few traitors (John and Jane to name two of them), free speech, even though a bunch of their speech was lies, emboldened the North to ignore the treaty because they knew we were not coming back under most conditions. Congress played politics after Nixon resigned defunding any financial or war material help to the South. If Nixon hadn't been caught in his stupid indiscretion things might have been different. I also believe our presence there was enough to short circuit any further communist aggression, such as perhaps the Philippines, then who knows how far. They weren't so bold as to think they could continue any further aggression beyond where they were.

        As far as the Middle East, I think we should draw a red line, tell them to stay away from America and leave Israel alone, period. If they pull anymore (censored) like 9/11 again, we should go over there and turn their stinking desserts into one big thick sheet of glass. But, then again, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. In any case, there are lot of soldiers that gave their lives to capture those terrorists that were just let go. That's got to be an extremely demoralizing experience for any soldier. The general public doesn't seem to understand how military people, especially combat veterans, feel about these issues. I guess the best explanation would be like any mother feels about her child. That's the kind of camaraderie that's felt in the service. Everyone watches everyone's back and if you (censored) up, you pay by the rules, no excuses, period.
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        • Posted by aogilmore 11 years, 10 months ago
          Well, you were right to feel let down. You should never have been sent to the Nam in the first place. As for drawing lines, winning against the communists and the rest of that Imperialist BS, we'd be better off strengthening our economy and, to the extent we have a government at all, focus strictly on self defense. Communism, collectivism, naziism, imperialism, all eventually collapse under their own weight It's very demoralizing to me to watch these young lives being wasted. It's very sad and maddening that they were whipped up into a jingoistic frenzy by cynical sociopaths who never had to fight, most of whom never spent a day in uniform. You're free to go and fight wherever and whoever you want, nobody is stopping you.-- just don't steal from me to do it.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
        Or central America, or north Africa, or the Pacific or Europe, or Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, California.

        We should just sit on our porch and rock in our rocking chairs as the world goes to hell around us. We filthy stinking Americans got no business imposing civilization on the world if it doesn't want it. To hell with the future of Mankind, to hell with the survival of our culture and nation, to hell with biological imperatives.

        We should have just turned the world over to the communists at the end of the second world war, and let them accomplish what we spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives preventing the Nazis from doing.
        Jefferson should have just turned the country over to the Barbary Pirates.
        (cause, as everyone who's seen "Pirates of the Caribbean" knows, pirates are the good guys, with whom we have no business interfering).
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 10 months ago
    BHO's foreign policy is a disaster. Is he and his regime inexperienced, blind, or merely dumb? The Middle East is being consumed by the bad guys as Obama stumbles around contradicting himself in a most embarrassing way. Or perhaps he just wants to show the USA as a nation of weak, over pampered morons.
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    • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
      I heard an analyst years ago who said it was clear to him that Obama wanted to undo what the US had done for the last 50 years. Seems to fit with his (Obama) fathers beliefs.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 11 years, 10 months ago
    This has been as inevitable as the rising sun. We have changed our "war policies" without debate or discussion after WW2. Prior to Korea, we did our best to fight a war to a conclusion where one side won and the losing side was finally forced to acknowledge that.

    Somewhere between WW2 and Korea we stopped doing that. Korea ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty. Vietnam ended with a treaty after we had basically given up. Gulf War 1, was a limited action for a specific goal, which we achieved but did nothing to resolve anything else making the region unstable. No treaty or armistice there, just pushed them back to Iraq and stopped.

    Everything after was not even aimed at specific governments, just the nebulous target, terrorists. Toppled goverments, were a side effect, a stepping stone as it were.

    Is it any wonder nothing is settled?

    Couple that with the wannabe dictator in the white house determined to weaken us in every way he can, and you see the results.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
      "Vietnam ended with a treaty after we had basically given up."
      WRONG. In 1968, we had accomplished our mission, after the Tet offensive, we'd all but wiped out the Viet Cong. When we left, we had defeated the enemy in the field; we turned it over to ARVN to defend S. Vietnam, with the promise that we would return if the North invaded, and the promise that we would fund ARVN.

      The communist controlled Congress cut funding for ARVN until ARVN soldiers were issued 20 rounds of ammunition and 2 hand grenades, and military surgeons were told to wash and reuse surgical bandages.

      Then the North did invade, with two armored corps, using more men than the Normandy Invasion, and more supply vehicles than Patton's Redball express. And our Congress would not let President Ford keep our promise to return. Our allies, the ARVN, fought bravely, and at Xuan Loc, for example, held off a force twice their size until they ran out of supplies and couldn't fight any more.

      We didn't "basically give up"... we were beaten by our own Congress and news media.

      I have said since I began cheering the tanks rolling back in 2003, it was a brilliant strategy (if only Bush had actually had it as a strategy):
      Invade Afghanistan, conquer it; simultaneously invade Iraq, conquer it. Appoint American governors-general to each, and rule each with an iron fish as you prep them as staging grounds to invade Iran. Then crush Iran between, before swinging west in a sudden hammerblow to destroy Syria. Afterwards we could sit back and give the rest of the middle east an ultimatum. Either start becoming secular, or face conquest and the death of Islam. Total time involved, perhaps 2 years.

      But, we didn't do that, because we have politicians worried about what the anti-American press will say.
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      • Posted by Technocracy 11 years, 10 months ago
        When I said we "basically gave up" the we I was referring to was the politicians and media. The military did their jobs and the politicians and media hung them out to dry
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  • Posted by brs02 11 years, 10 months ago
    If you make a mess clean it up. Zero just wanted out as fast as possible the hell with the consequences. For those that say defense is strictly defending US borders and think if we simply leave other alone they will leave us alone is naive at best.
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    • Posted by aogilmore 11 years, 10 months ago
      So how is your way working out? You jingoists have gotten all of the guns and prisons, killed the 4th and second amendments, and this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of it. Still, you complain it's not enough. We need to stay the course in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. etc. etc. In your ideal world, I guess there's no place that would be safe from the US military. Not even the US. Unbelievable.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
        The hell we have.

        It's not the "jingoists" as you put it that are responsible for the country going to hell in a handbasket, it's the traitorous left who have to be goaded into doing the right thing by having their own precious asses threatened.

        We "jingoists" weren't ALLOWED by you anti-Americans to do the job. Had it been up to us "jingoists", Abu Graib wouldn't have been a scandal, it would have been the introductory video on a course teaching how to dominate Moslems. If it had been up to us jingoists, 100k Iraqi troops wouldn't have surrendered, after we started executing those who did.

        if it had been up to us jingoists, there would be Americans RULING the AMERICAN protectorates of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria. And probably Pakistan.

        if it had been left up to us "jingoists"... the world would piss its collective pants at the mere idea of threatening Americans ever again.

        If it were up to us "jingoists", the TSA's mandate would be to profile anybody who looked like he might be Moslem or Arab, and to leave American citizens alone. It's the LEFT that was so concerned, from the start, about the persecution Moslems by Americans, it was the LEFT that was so concerned from the start that we be "fair" and search blonde-haired, blue-eyed Christian grandma's from Des Moines right along with the Arab-looking, Arab-speaking Moslems from Saudi Arabia.

        Had we "jingoists" been allowed to persecute Moslems in America as the Japanese were persecuted during WWII (a war we won, remember?) until they self-deported, renounced Islam, or took a very active and very visible role in fighting Islamic terrorists, the country wouldn't have gone to hell in a handbasket.

        Had it been up to us "jingoists", there would have been an Amendment declaring Islam a philosophy of government and not a religion.

        But, we "jingoists" weren't allowed to have our way, and you leftist "blame America" traitors caused this decade-long debacle.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 10 months ago
    Fox news reported, this past evening, that the
    evacuation of the embassy in Baghdad was
    considered a politically indefensible situation
    at the moment.

    I just came unglued and damn near burnt down
    my end of the couch.

    fly air force one in there, with fighter escorts,
    and get our people out. screw politics. shit.

    what is wrong with these people?????? -- j

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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
      same here! I couldn't believe my ears.

      Who in government, at this point, would object to military evacuation of our embassy??
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  • Posted by sillywhim 11 years, 10 months ago
    These Iraqis military dropping weapons is EXACTLY the same as South Vietnam military abandoning its US supplied weapon systems.

    Same ol', same-o.

    Dunno why everyone is so surprised. Also, not everyone wants democracy. Some populations don't understand it, and ultimately, don't want it.

    They want a king or a dictator to tell them what to do and keep order.

    Again, not every populace wants democracy! When are Americans gonna understand this?
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago
      *What* US supplied weapon system? You mean the weapons systems that had no ammunition because Congress cut funding?


      America doesn't want a democracy. America was never a democracy. The best, and only acceptable form of government, from the view of an American, is a republic. Period, end of argument.
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  • Posted by wiggys 11 years, 10 months ago
    when these guys take over do the then get control of the bank account that oil dollars flow into? if so they then will spend it as they see fit. whose guns will they buy with those funds? the only way to solve the middle east problem is to turn the desert to glass.
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    • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
      Good point about the oil dollars. The world probably can't afford to stop buying that oil. Billions are now going to be in the hands of terrorists.
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      • Posted by wiggys 11 years, 10 months ago
        they probably always have been, welcome to the new world order
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        • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
          True. I just saw this headline on CNBC.
          ISIS militants steal $450M, advance on Baghdad
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          • Posted by wiggys 11 years, 10 months ago
            I just read that the price of a barrel of our west texas crude is up 2.13 per barrel. the article further stated that major oil producing countries are pumping at near capacity. maybe I am missing something here, poor countries are buying less oil because they are poor, we in the usa are driving less because we have less people working and they need their monies to buy food. so they drive less since they do not have a job to go to.
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