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Uh,"These GMO plants are engineered to resist specific herbicides but you can spray any type of weed killer you want on them. Just like every other non-GMO plant." is used by Monsanto to say trhey are "Roundup Ready". That means you can use Roundup on them and it will not effect them. ONLY Round up (glycophosate). Because other weeds are becoming resistant to it they: " Let’s roll out more GMO crops designed to withstand being doused with even more weed killer. Monsanto calls its next-generation line of GMO soybeans “Xtend,” and these are capable of not only surviving heavy applications of glyphosate but an older, more potent herbicide known as dicamba."
Also: "Federal regulators have yet to approve the new dicamba-based weed killer Monsanto formulated to pair with its dicamba-resistant GMO soybeans. But that apparently hasn’t stopped some desperate farmers from spraying dicamba anyway. Because the chemical has a nasty tendency to drift to neighboring fields, Monsanto’s new GMO crops aren’t only upending the natural order, they appear to be upending the social order in tight-knit farming communities too: Neighbors are accusing neighbors of illegally spraying dicamba and killing off crops that haven’t been engineered to tolerate the chemical."
As far as tertiary effects, I would submit to you the example of DDT, which manifested itself in the CA Condor saga, but also effected livestock and humans. Would it comfort you to know that after you are dying of cancer, that is later found to be a result of the both the chemical and gene manipulation by Monsanto, (who then goes Bankrupt to protect itself from lawsuits) which could have been prevented by due diligence?
Development is fine, and needed, irresponsible development is not. There is a long history of issues with the byproducts and unintended results of both manufacturing and and advances in chemcals and mining. Corporations, as well as Government, can equally do evil acts knowing they risk peoples lives and livelihoods. Just because they are a corporation does not imbue them with a capitalist shield of integrity. Accountability is not a strong point in our system and over the last 100 years the legal system has been systemically sabotaged so as to be inert. Your options are few and far between to protect yourself.

These GMO plants are engineered to resist specific herbicides but you can spray any type of weed killer you want on them. Just like every other non-GMO plant.

Blaming Monsanto for the neglectful / malicious acts of individuals is like blaming the gun manufacturers for people getting shot. Or like blaming the car manufacturer for someone driving their car down the wrong side of the road. It's like, to use your example, blaming the blue paint manufacturer for the over spray onto the white house next door.

You say: "I do not see any concrete evidence to prove it does not have tertiary effects" Well, it's impossible to prove a negative. The burden on any accuser is to prove what specific harm(s) is being done because there is no possible way to prove everything it's not doing.

Also, dozens of complaints (with no proof of any wrong doing) across multiple states does not constitute a huge number of people. Where would the world be if we stopped every development simply because "maybe" people will use it wrong and the number of complaints will get out of hand? Some people may want to live in medieval times where anything new or misunderstood is looked at as evil but I don't. If it can be proven Monsanto has committed some actual act of harm then it should be dealt with accordingly. But all these "what if's", "maybe's", "might's", "could be's", etc. serve no practical purpose other than attempting to vilify the Evil Corporations.

Sorry, I did not mean you were saying that, but I am also against manipulation of the system to the point only "specific" things will work with specific things, especially when engineered more for that purpose, than for their efficacy. Such a thing, if it gets out of control, would have a huge number of people fighting in already useless courts over who killed whose crops, in addition to the fact I do not see any concrete evidence to prove it does not have tertiary effects.

Ummmmm no - I never said the victims were at fault. I said they have legal recourse against anyone destroying their property.

And no one is forcing anyone to plant the Evil GMO seeds. If a neighbor is killing your beans by spraying his weeds, he is legally at fault. Not the Evil Corporation Monsanto ...... Period.

No, that is not the point. The point is you engineer plants to ONLY use a specific spray, then you have created a specific situation where ONLY that spray cannot be used. When using ONLY that spray, it kills off the other farmers plants. If you wish to have a situation where ONLY your spray can be used, you need to also include an application method that does not impinge on others. Your statement says if someone paints their house blue, and their spray covers their neighbors white house, it is the white house neighbors fault. That is illogical.

The article is about the Evil corporation's master plan to force simple, honest farmers to use their Evil GMO seeds. They insinuate this is done by creating Superweeds from the modification of another plant species' DNA. Then they create new and even more Evil GMO seeds and force farmers to buy them because their neighbors are spraying even deadlier poisons over their crops resulting in over-spray attacking their farms - All part of their Evil plan at world domination.,,,,

But even this Leftist article says its the occasional farmer who illegally sprays the dicamba that might be floating into another farmer's field. How is that Monsanto's doing? You have individual farmers breaking the law and potentially destroying other people's property as well.

I guess Monsanto has developed mind control as well. Maybe they deliver their Evil messages over cell phone emissions. Or maybe they're using the power lines above the farmer's houses. Oh I know, they're using Chemtrails...

It's nothing but negligence and acts of criminal damage by individual farmers, not the Evil Corporation. These criminal acts can, and should be addressed on a case by case basis by the local authorities.

This is supposed to be a Libertarian site. It's absolutely amazing how many readers are jumping right on the "Blame the Evil Corporation" band wagon.

Really? I thought it was the large African Rats in Florida eating cats and dogs. Maybe they were rogue politicians...hard to distinguish...

Nope. It is the diversion of money to the things that "they" want. Not for the community good, or even to benefit the group. If all the money was pulled out and you paid what it cost for the call (i.e. truck cost/365/24 for per hour) or something, it would be a lot closer to reality. Even then, they, like the doctors, pad their bills to pay for the nurses, the office people to fill out forms, the clerks, the gardener etc. You no longer pay for a service, you are paying for the entire industry. You are very correct and an astute observation!

In the USA many providers have the idea that they do not have to be concerned with cost because that has been divorced from the doctors concern. When I was young around 1944, I once had an ear ache about 3AM, my dad called a doctor and he came right away. It probably cost about $2.00 for the house call, although may dad was only making $25 a week as union butcher for the A&P. Even into the seventies and early eighties my stepmother could call her doctor and he would come to the house. About that time there began large cost of living raises and multi page hospital statements with exorbitant charges for low cost medicines.
When we moved to the small village in 1955 that I am in now there were 750 people. Water and sewer for 50,000 gallons was $8 a year and now is $90 a quarter of a year before the the cost of water is added. The rescue squad and fire department were free and completely voluntary with funds raised by the members and the fire trucks paid for by the village and for the fire department volunteers got $5 per call. But over the years the village boards have found that the rescue squad could be a money maker so the volunteers are still unpaid but the village treasury gets about $600 per call for the truck. Now there is little fund raising and a lot of complaints by members though that is decreasing as memories lose stuff about how it used to be. I can not understand how things seemed better when there was less prosperity than it is now. Can't just be inflation, can it?

It is not particularly poisonous. Like most substances, it is the dosage that makes the poison and that even includes water. You can eat a spoonful of DDT without any problem. When I was a kid growing up in Janesville, WI we used to follow the spry truck with its opaque white cloud and ride our bikes in it. It was used in WWII to fight typhus and malaria and was dusted over the concentration camp survivors to kill the lice that they were infected with. If I had any say in it, it should be used to wipe out malaria and save a million lives a year instead of the netting program used today which allows breeding of mosquitoes. While polluting ponds and other standing water with oil films works, it is too labor intensive compared to spraying. Then stop its use to help clear it from the environment and use other pesticides that decompose more easily. It is kind of a trade off to not kill too much of the food for bats and maybe some birds and amphibians. It probably would get more criticism from environmentalists than do the wind turbines which kill bats and many raptors or the mirrored solar systems where large numbers of birds become streakers as the burn on the way to the ground.

I used to think the Insurance companies were the root of the medical inflation, until the government showed how bad it can really be. Now I have to pay my bills from an HSA until 3700.00 and my wife about cried when she saw what one trip cost. Just to change a bandage we buy for 12.00, they charged 357.00. She changes her own now.

I think DDT had a heyday in the early 60s for mosquito control, and didn't get banned until the Condor thing, and a bunch of tests showed how bad it really was to all mammals. They used to spray it on people in the 50's. Ugh..

Maybe it was rabbits in Australia, that's it, They brought them for food and they escaped...

The classic is rats in Australia and Hawaii. They were not quite intentional in Australia, but were in Hawaii and they never got rid of them and they displaced a bunch of local stuff.

Here in southern Wisconsin, Geneva Lake is overrun with zebra mussels brought in on boats that had been in Lake Michigan. Cover all the pier posts an cut a lot of feet with the nasty little shells.
Didn't they fight malaria in the Canal zone with DDT or did that come too late and later withdrawn for somewhat environmental and Silent Spring reasons?

Think of medicine without profit with just traditional medications such as aspirin, sorry that should be chewing willow bark since aspirin was developed for profit by Bayer. Of course, there are those that will feel bad about sick people and spend some time developing stuff but will probably be of the quack variety. I do use the non-profit Aurora Health Service here in Wisconsin. That does not mean that it is not expensive. Four days in cardiac care was $113,000 payed mainly by Medicare and I noticed that large amounts are written of by agreement with Medicare. That is just hospital and not labs and outside expert who installed three stents. Felt much better from that which was a profit making thing.
As far as I can tell, since doctors are now insulated from cost and profit, they, unless asked, will prescribe what their training recommends as the best treatment drugs. I asked for all generic drugs and lucked out that they were available. It is mainly what the market will bare that will determine prices and as long as there is a government provided monopoly, which is the only kind of monopoly that can be sustained without being broken by competition, initial prices for new drugs will remain very high mainly to recoup development costs and some future research.

There are alternative treatments available, and there are several claimed ways to cure it using just specific diet and regimines. I do not pretend to know what works or does not, but I do not subscribe to the belief that because we do not understand all the interactions and nuances of nature and the human body, we can just over ride our ignorance and move to brute force methods. I subscribe to the Native American belief that you are effected by your environment, and the more artificial stuff that is introduced, the great the chances of unintended, misunderstood reactions that then get the hammer blow treatment methods. There was a study done on a group of people on an island off Japan that lived to 110-120 routinely. The scientists focused on their seaweed diet, and then decided it was some magical thing in the seaweed which they extracted and marketed. Then they go back and the people are dying off at 70-80 years and discovered it was the introduction of western fast food and meat that introduced new poisons and fats that they could not handle and now they are at the same mortality as us, but with KFC and MickeyD to help them along.

Why mimic nature? What is needed is a cure for a disease and that is something nature is not providing. Yes there are built in cellular mechanisms for cell repair and apoptosis when things are really bad. But short of those mechanisms working, mankind has to redo those, so called, natural mechanisms. Sorry for the rant, it's just the chemist in me plus the experience of cancer in the family for the last 70 years with just hard fought little improvements in therapy after billions of dollars spent and you seem to think that it is some kind of simple solution to it and other disease if only researchers will get away from there dumb headed belief that it is a very difficult problem. It is very, very difficult. Some disease problems are easy such as a headache as long as it is not some really badly caused headache. Take a couple of aspirins to treat the pain and maybe decrease some prostaglandins, but those are naturally produced products from naturally produced disease.

They say they are,but you know how the government is and their definition of "truth".

I agree with you, Carl. Mainstream medicine just does not want to acknowledge anything they cannot control. If just removing certain elements and compounds around today would eliminate 50% of the health issues, no one will buy it, and label it "voodoo". They don't make money on it, and they don't control it.