Legends say China began in a great flood. Scientists just found evidence that the flood was real.
Interesting. Tales of floods are universal, but after listening to Magicians of the Gods, and the discussion of the Younger DRyas period and the cuase of it being aa cometary impact at 12.6 BC and another that ended it at 9.6 through global warming caused by ocean impacts and the resulting water vapor http://clouds.It shows that a lot of the tales told around the world as "myth" usually end up as having a basis in fact.
The Columbia Gorge and Channeled Scablands of Eastern Washington demonstrate catastrophism, caused by the repeated breakdown of ice dams at the end of the last ice age (or are we still in it?). The ripple marks from the flooding that ensued were so large they were only found in places with the advent of satellite photography.
All I really know is that we must Save The Planet by finding a way to Stop Continental Drift Now!!!
The old theory: it was thought that repeated breaking of icedams produced the gouging. The geological evidence shows that the water was 800 feet high flowing at 60 -70 mph. The meteor explosion is estimated to be equal to ten million megatons or 1000 times all combined arsenal's of nuclear weapons stockpiled. The comet broke apart like the Shoemaker Levi comet in 1992 that hit Jupiter in numerous spots. 2 large 3-4 kilometer pieces hit the 2 mile thick ice sheet in What is now Canada , instantly melting enormous amounts of ice. The space rocks hit the Atlantic Ocean causing huge tsunami's then Europe and finally the mid- east. Because it happened when the earth had a much lower sea level the flooding covered many coastal areas never to be seen again.
I think this notion of a great catastrophe wiping out decadence leaving behind the righteous is an innate human predilection that should be resisted.
When the temperature rose at the end of the last glaciation there were some periods where the temperature dipped sharply suddenly, one such period was the Younger Dryas period. Then the temperature had risen sharply with a slow long term decrease for thousands of years after that with today's temperatures being lower than several thousand years ago and probably are lower than those of the Roman warm period and the middle age warm periods and even have a hard time getting above the 1930s warm period. Most everything today about climate or environment is hype.
There is no known acceptable reason for much of the somewhat periodic changes of the climates of the Earth. I phrase it that way because each area of the Earth has its own climate which is somewhat periodic and over long time periods can vary. It is a long stretch of the imagination to average the climates or in the usual way average the temperatures and claim that an average is an actual existing thing which is a metric for the imaginary climate of the Earth.
Great flood myths are far more likely to be over dramatizations of a local people living through localized natural events that appear to affect their entire world. It is accidental hyperbole due purely to their ignorance. They believe this event to be global as a result of their lack of actual global experience or knowledge.
When you say "all cultures," I would challenge that purely on its universal conclusion. I'm sure I can find one example, without trying very hard, which disproves your theory. Even adapting your phrase to mean "most cultures" can be easily explained away as ignorant primitives believing the entire world was only what they could see up to the horizon, and when all of what they have ever experienced in their natural lives is flooded in a purely natural (and globally speaking a fairly mundane event), they conclude that they whole planet was subsumed and that they must have angered their particular deity.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science...
As for cultures, there are always exceptions, some cultures didn't write either. But I would respect China and India over those exceptions based on their population sizes and because of the ages of their cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
The drive between Phoenix and Tucson, which I do a few times every year, looks far more like an ocean bottom that a desert. I've found seashells, small ones in large numbers, in the desert. I found fossils of shells in the forest in upstate NY.
The China flood seems like it may have happened (one person doing research isn't proof and even he doesn't say for sure), but the most important thing we should take from this is what people have done with these myths. They have used them and their supposed divine origin to justify horrendous atrocities against people. Much of Chinese government and the view of people's subservience to it is based on this myth and that theor ruler is the one that makes them safe and prosperous. Much of the Christian view of government seems to revolve around making their ruler happy, or he will smite us, like in Noah's flood.
I don't see this as more than a passing curiosity. A very big flood seems to have happened in China due to an earthquake that made a temporary damn that broke. Interesting story.
Also, true historians have always claimed that our myths and fables were likely dramatizations of natural occurrences. Few make the claim that all are 100% fiction. We should not really care as much about the actual historical event that inspired the myth (apart from using that evidence to support the lack of divine intervention) as we care about what people say we should do about such myths. That is what truly affects us on a day to day basis. If someone concludes that we must always live in fear of a vengeful deity and do our best to please Him to prevent such occurrences, then that person is a lunatic. But if we conclude that we should be on the lookout for rivers that get accidentally damned up and attempt to prevent sudden massive flooding, then that is being rational.
I'm going to stick to commenting on thing that discuss philosophy and politics in the future.
I don't really think a point was to be made by posting the article. Its just interesting to speculate, particularly when there is geological evidence and folklore involved.
How do you know they were ignorant?
However, the new thinking as to what caused the sudden melting of ice sheet creating a world wide flood was probably extreme cosmic radiation causing atmospheric rivers to pour down for days. It's likely our shields were low, maybe even worse than today. The other theory is the intrusion of Venus into our system, causing an electromagnetic discharge between the plants. Test were done demonstrating the effects...it matches the Egyptian pictographs of a ball with a red glow looking like the devil.
I find it interesting that there are several different dates associated with these know events.
My thoughts are that our time line and ways of determining them are off a bit, to say the least.
I also have thought that counting sedimentary layers is not accurate either...think about it, all sedimentary like events are not always world wide, some if not most are regional. Make sense?
Not to mention that calendars have changed often, days and months in a year have changed between civilizations to further confound things.
I still hold that perhaps the Mayan Calendars are among the most accurate.
Also...there was some article recently I read where scientist admit that the earths rotation was faster a few billion years ago and began slowing ever since...makes perfect sense to me. And another anomaly was noticed...Venus's rotation has sped Up!...go figure...maybe we weren't supposed to keep track of time passage...seems we suck at it.
Still laughing...I enjoy exploring all the different theories but do you think we'll Ever figure it out?
My guess is they were built by the Nephilim or their descendants...way before the Egyptians came to be.
PS...interesting to note, this is what the ancients referred to as living among the Gods on earth...but that changed with our excruciatingly slow journey into conscious thought. Many get hung up on this because the language and expressions never changed.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/bla...
Didn't archeologist's find sea creatures in particular layers of land sediment, stone, etc., like in Utah and area's like that?
The biblical story is probably accurate...except for pagan non-conscious bicameral man's account of why it happened...you see, just like modern day liberals...they always think some entity is pissed off at mankind...not even considering that it is a natural event.
Also, many cultures having a similar mythology is not, as some have suggested, evidence of the validity of such mythologies. It could simply be from cross-cultural communication, or perhaps anthropological evidence of a common human ancestry with persistent traits to their folklore.
In the end, the fact still remains that there is no evidence to suggest that our entire planet was one submerged entirely under rainwater, and that it is entirely impossible to fit to every single species in the world onto a single floating vessel... Or at least any yet constructed by man.
Basically it can only further prove that religious texts and mythology are collections of ignorant falsehoods, not that small pieces of truth and semi-divine revelations can be found in them. To believe the latter would be to praise the flat-earthers as enlightened for acknowledging that there is an earth at all.
The point we should all be taking from this, in my opinion, is that religion is a product of ignorance. Just as Rand suggested... Religion is merely a primitive form of philosophy.
As to the whole world being covered in water, 'whole world' is relatively limited given modes of transportation in ancient times.
Also, many cultures having a similar mythology is not, as some have suggested, evidence of the validity of such mythologies. It could simply be from cross-cultural communication, or perhaps anthropological evidence of a common human ancestry with persistent traits to their folklore.
In the end, the fact still remains that there is no evidence to suggest that our entire planet was one submerged entirely under rainwater, and that it is entirely impossible to fit to every single species in the world onto a single floating vessel... Or at least any yet constructed by man.
Also, many cultures having a similar mythology is not, as some have suggested, evidence of the validity of such mythologies. It could simply be from cross-cultural communication, or perhaps anthropological evidence of a common human ancestry with persistent traits to their folklore.
In the end, the fact still remains that there is no evidence to suggest that our entire planet was one submerged entirely under rainwater, and that it is entirely impossible to fit to every single species in the world onto a single floating vessel... Or at least any yet constructed by man.
More important to cultures is what the people in them are thinking right now.
I can't believe how hard it was to find this. I also can't believe in digging this out, that there (I can't find it now) is simple undergraduate calculations for the steady-state temperature based on the atmosphere constituents. It under predicts the temperature a bit, and second-order effects are responsible for differences. This simple model tells you right away that CO2 is not the fundamental, first-order cause.
Any one else know where to put their hands on this calculations? I think I found it in a round about way on the University of Arizona's site. Not surprised it is obscured now.
Also see Davids work at adapt2030 on youtube.
Western civilizations problem has been the ignoring of natural cycles.
By ignoring the cycles, the progressives and other non-conscious entities can now blame You. Just like our non-conscious biblical ancestors blamed some entity for the punishment, (see the connection?)...either way, Conscious Mankind gets the short end of the stick.
To be shown here, I just found a preferable silent short animation that displays how both the Mediterranean and the Black Sea were formed by breech flooding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xQeE...
Glad you were able to explore the past with Graham Hancock. He has made a very compelling case for an ancient forgotten civilization.
Plus no gradualism in the scablands.
Many here express this exact view but refuse to just censor and banish people. If you are going to say it, and express just be done with it and take action on it.
I have extensively studied the Bible, the Qur'an, I have read most of Ayn Rand's writings and clearly state there are not as many differences between Biblical Principals and Ayn Rand's philosophy,, with the single exception Ahn Rand was a devout and dogmatic atheist.
I am NOT, REPEAT NOT promoting religion simply drawing direct and A=A comparisons.
edited to add final thought.
If one condemns, bashes, ridicules and otherwise attempts to force people out using the proverbial poison pen of intolerance. Do not hide behind statements claiming tolerance.
If you are going to promote that strong a view, just take action instead of just running the mouth, or pen, or keyboard.
If deists are not welcome, then just own up to it, make it policy and ban them.
I am reminded of the same exact parallel in Atlas Shrugged when the government demanded Reardon give up his metal and took him to court, and he clearly stated, then just bring your guns and come take it. Own it for what it is, but do not hide behind rhetoric and try and hide what you are, in reality, doing.
If you came on this sight espousing religion , God, Bible, and Creation, or being able to be religious and be an Objectivist. you are a Deist...and many on this site would use the venomous keyboard to excoriate you 7 ways to Sunday with little regard for logic or reason in their attack, and would attack you just like the Liberals attack everyone who does not agree with them.
Humanity needs to stop assigning supernatural significance to purely natural phenomena.
That "force" can take many forms, include the verbal abuse of those with views different from yours.
I challenge you to find any "verbal abuse" I have dished out. Microaggressions are not abuse.
Is that your implication Ayn Rand was perfect?
Seems to me that implication borders in Deism. with Ayn Rand being the Goddess...be careful how dogmatic you portray Objectivism, and the primary aspect of objectivism, which if I am not mistaken is the "happiness of the individual."
So if it makes one happy to believe in a God, and the primary goal is that individual happiness. reconcile that for me please.
"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/obj...
So if belief in a Deity makes ME happy, I personally receive comfort, and less stress in my life and therefore healthier living and higher quality of life, then all reason dictates my thinking for ME is correct since MY happiness is paramount.
Neither good nor bad, just fact.
Comment was more of a "Rolling my eyes again"//
But it was meant to point out that once you have a wider view of facts, the mysticism naturally sloughs away. I wasn't dismissing your argument because of that, I was making a point. If you didn't get it that's likely because I wasn't being very clear. (I posted it around 2-3am I think)
So like the Bible, or not, Agree with it or not. The Bible has been validated by science and secular historians. Seems to me everytime a science expedition is sent out to discredit the Bible, they end up proving the accounts as factual.