Ted Cruz does not endorse Trump Based on Principles

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Aside from the issues and facts that Mark presents; what about the constitutional values we expect our presidents, our presidential candidates and our representatives to pledge unswerving dedication to...their fortunes, their most sacred honor or their lives to. Isn't that much more important than the "Party"?

I have to laugh even though it's a bit sicking, they booed when Cruz said: "Vote your conscience" "Vote for the candidate you trust and a candidate that will adhere to the constitution.
Kind of makes one think. By the way...that pledge?...was discarded March 29th by the Don himself...

We find ourselves here in these times because we haven't adhered to the constitution...have we not?

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    Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So why did he get booed? I think most people took from it what I did. I am not chastising him for his thoughts, but he was encouraging people to vote against trump which will help hillary
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    You get points for recognizing the importance of the responsibilities of citizenship. But let me set forth your real choice and what will happen to your vote if you make the wrong choice. .

    In the General Election your vote in most states will go to the top vote getter.

    That includes write ins.

    If youi write in Mickey Mouse the ballots are in many states discarded or the vote given to the top vote getter.

    In some areas if you leave Prez and Veep blank but vote onlly on other issues on the ballot - same deal.

    At present the only way not to give your vote to Trump or Hillary is the same as don't play cards in a crooked game. The only way to win is 'don't play.' For all I know those rules may have been extended to not voting at all. I don't think that steps been taken...yet.

    So absent the military exercising it's sworn duty there is one thing you can do. But if they do support them.

    Don't vote and don't register as a Show of No Confidence or a refusal to participate in a rigged election. Right now 46% in Presidential races and 50% plus in off year elections have chosen the only way to vote for None Of The Above. And that is by not voting.

    In Political Science crossing lines to vote for another candidate is called 'raiding.' Used in primaries to get weak weak candidate on the General ballot. Not voting at all is called 'undervote.' Those who have no representation in the system and so vote for None Of the Above. Each two year cycle that percentage grows as people realize they have no skin in the game.

    So the first thing is decide. Are you being represented or will you be represented? If the answer is No. - None of the above is accomplished by Not Voting until we can get it listed on each and every ballot.

    Those who choose the lesser of two evils as they put it are publically announcing their willingness to support evil. Ergo Sum they are supporters of evil. Their choice not yours not mine.They chose evil you didn't They decided on their own to join a secular devil's congregation. You didn't.

    Three answers to any question. Right, Wrong, Compromise. Adds up to two wrong and one right answer. Evil is matter of degree. Fighting evil is a simple matter of turning your back and walking away.

    Voting for None Of The Above is the same as not sitting down in a rigged game,by nor playing stupid and expecting a miracle.

    HOWEVER there is time to think about it. Maybe Trump will change for the better. No evidence of that yet. and no chance at all with the Secular Progressive Socialist candidate. But if you are not sure there is no need to rush to judgement.

    No need to decide until the last minute. At that time think about the choices. Evil One, Evil Two. Those you have already assigned that designation or No Evil I'm not going to support you.

    Think about who is really flushing their vote down a public toilet.

    Then turn your back on them and walk away. Just like not playing in a rigged card game.

    Responsibile Citizen or Sucker.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ted in some of his PROMISES did say the words endorse. I do not think Trump is neither Democrat nor Republican. Trump is a conservative, which he proves by his everyday life and how he runs his businesses.

    Now if you want to compare parties, the GOP today is no different than the Democrats of 25 years ago, and the Democrats of today are no different that the socialists of 25 years ago. So the GOP are really Democrats if you want to really get down to it.

    But under a two party system, Trump appropriately runs under GOP. Next you probably have not watched many Trump interviews over the years. Trump attended and supported the 1988 GOP convention, and back then was considered conservative. Trump endorsed, supported and was responsible for millions to the Romney campaign....Trump also raise millions and millions for McCain...so where you get off thinking he is a Democrat I am not sure because I never recall him taking that much of an active part in any Democrat campaign short of some verbal sound bites while he was speaking as a businessman with his business and the success of his business in mind.

    1980 Rona Barrett and Trump
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEj...

    1988 GOP Convention:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0i...

    Trump endorsing Romney 2012
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wepQa...

    I am not sure which Donald Trump you are actually referring to.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “Cruz: I Will Support GOP Nominee, Even If It's Trump”
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ted-c...
    This interview took place several days after the spat about Cruz’s wife.
    And here’s an earlier exchange in an interview with Chuck Todd:
    TODD: Given everything you've just said about him in this interview, you still will support him if that is what the Republican party does?
    CRUZ: You know, Chuck, I'm a very simple man and when I give my word for something, I follow through and do what I said.
    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/...
    No one forced Cruz to sign the pledge, and if he had the slightest reservations about keeping it, he should not have signed.
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  • Posted by lovemeemer 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    how would they be able to stop it? each group is unaffiliated with the others. it's pretty much the definition of grassroots and probably one of the most pure examples we've seen of it in a loooong time. the name isn't copyrighted, there isn't an official logo. it's a movement and the "members" are only members of their local group (if they're members at all - again, they just might consider themselves tea party). the groups can be loosely organized but it's kinda like an amoeba, or better, like herding cats, because each maintains its individual autonomy. it's bottom up from its core, and the members drive each of their groups. if you want to learn more about the tea party movement and why it started, there's an easy to read book called "The Tea Party Manifesto". I would suggest starting there rather than wikipedia because it's actually written by people who were on the ground level at the movement's beginning.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Endorse in political terms means much more than a dictionary definition. It means campaign for, vote for, monetarily support via fundraisers, appear with in public, etc. To expect that from Cruz after Trumps vicious and despicable attacks on Cruz' family is patently offensive and no sane or logical person would hold someone to such a standard.

    Cruz congratulated Trump for winning, then reminded him that what was important wasn't Trump himself, but adherence to Constitutional values. That Trump and his cadre took that as an insult of any kind tells me that Trump doesn't care about anything but himself - let alone the Constitution.

    What I find incredibly ironic is that it is those very Constitutional values which made America great in the beginning and our slide has been the result of abandoning those principles! When Donald Trump talks about "make America great again" he should be applauding Cruz' call to remember those values. That he takes a very different stance speaks volumes to me about the way he will actually govern if he wins.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 8 years, 9 months ago
    Exactly right. The Constitution has been on the losing side for many years, especially the last 8, The Obama/Clinton crew realize they have the opportunity to complete 100 years of incremental communism - and they know a Cruz type will put a stop to it and a Trump will abuse it against (some) of them. No matter which one wins, Liberty loses.
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  • Posted by lovemeemer 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yeah, i'm not familiar with that website but there is no one entity that speaks for the "tea party" because the "tea party" is a movement and it's made up of thousands of individual liberty minded groups. like blarman said, that site may be operated by people trying to take down the tea party, but even if the people running it do self-identify as tea party, they don't speak for all. believe me.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have to ask myself as did Juliet of Shakespeare "What's in a name?" To say one is Tea Party and yet not espouse Constitutional values is all I need to know. Actions speak louder than words.

    Those with whom you are trying to converse are obviously not Constitutionalists. I think we both agree on that. And I agree with you that it isn't in a name where we will find those to properly represent our Nation through original Constitutional values. I applaud you for looking beyond the appellation into the reality of principle!
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From dictionary . com :

    Endorse, verb (used with object)
    1. to approve, support, or sustain:
    to endorse a political candidate.

    I don’t see “agree with the person's policies and personality” anywhere. And if “supporting” and “endorsing” are two separate things, then Cruz could have supported Trump without endorsing him, as Reagan did with Ford. Cruz did neither.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blarman, I was Conservative well before the Tea Party rose from that brokers statement that what this country needs is another Boston Tea Party (I remember that clearly thinking its a careless analogy).

    You guys can take all the points you want, the medicine still tastes as disagreeable. The folks on that link are the Tea Party, confirmed by me through association with them. While they aren't a political party they do weigh in on every election seeking to influence. Through facebook a bunch of them who followed my exodus from TPC invited me to their "conservative" page. I lost confidence in those tea party castoffs because they don't really understand Constitutional Conservative.

    If the Tea Party is anything more than the worthless disingenuous sh*theads I've seen then they need to acknowledge the 5 emails I sent when I cared (talking about integrity, the message, and the principles of Conservatism) and protect their brand.

    Don't shoot the messenger. The Tea Party is far from the answer and I don't see it ever being so.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Support is not endorse. Endorse is to identify with one's principles, policies, and actions. Cruz is never going to endorse someone who viciously went after his family in unprovoked, personal attacks of such a base level, nor is he going to endorse someone who out of three tries can only get one Constitutional role for government. Nor is Cruz going to endorse someone who has said that he would use Executive Actions in place of Congressional authority to act. Nor is Cruz going to endorse someone who has actively called for adjustments to the First Amendment to allow prosecution of those who disagree with him.

    I can go on and on. Trump is a Democrat. Hillary is a Progressive. And the American People are going to get screwed come November no matter which one we vote for.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trumpet asked him to speak, The pledge was already squashed back in March. So he spoke only of the constitution...turns out it was a set up by the RNC and everyone knew it. Listen to what Mark Levin said.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You just keep choosing to interpret what he actually said for what you wanted him to say. Cruz told voters to vote for people who would uphold the Constitution and Constitutional values. If Trump was a Constitutionalist, that would be an explicit statement of support, wouldn't it? The only way you can read it as a dis on Trump is if you acknowledge that Trump isn't a Constitutionalist!

    "He was just hoping Trump would lose the election to Hillary..."

    Then why did he explicitly go on to say that a Hillary presidency would be a disaster for our nation?

    "This wasnt the time or place to promote himself like that."

    Where in his speech did Cruz mention himself - even once? Again - you're projecting your own biases - not what Cruz actually said.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not a sore loser...he didn't even want to go there, he was asked. He got out of the campaign "because of" the division the race was creating.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, Lincoln started the GOP slave-master propaganda party in 1859 as a successor to the traitorous Whigs. He was the worst war criminal America has ever had.
    You list a rogues gallery of looters.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's because the "Senate", except for a few...are progressively establishment and know nothing about the rule of law.
    If you or I were Senators...Nobody would like our asses either...think about that...would You Kiss their asses???
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    Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cruz did say things about the constitution, but he told people to vote their conscience. Unfortunately, he was at the REPUBLICAN convention and Trump had already won the primary and was the candidate. So he was hoping people would NOT vote for Trump, and therefore NOT for the republican candidate. Its not cool that he go to the republican convention and then encourage people to NOT vote republican. He was just hoping Trump would lose the election to Hillary, and then HE would rise from the ashes in 2020 and run as a republican presidential candidate. This wasnt the time or place to promote himself like that. He basically told the republican party he wasnt interested in being a member. Which is fine.
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