Donald Trump, game theorist?

Posted by robgambrill 4 years, 6 months ago to Science
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"Like or hate Donald Trump, the presumptive U.S. Republican Party nominee for president, his positions are consistent with two principles of game theory..."
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 4 years, 6 months ago
    The caution I feel toward DT is that he's all about the "deal." I want a Constitutional Conservative, not the next PT Barnum or deal seeking Jerry Springer. I do not see DT as man of principles and that is something this country desperately needs in government and society - a definitive right and wrong. I do see him as a product of these times - a say anything opportunist. My concern is that his interests will not always align with the best interests of this nation, that he'll appoint "deal oriented" SCOTUS and screw this country up for decades.I have no doubt when interests collide DT will put himself first, even if its to pass a piece of coveted legislation (what would he not deal???).

    All that said, I suspect his "say anything" will lose to HC's "committed" communism. Too many in America just don't care enough anymore to gather more info than a 12 second sound-byte. Worse HC are even more delusionally rabid that the DT supporters (each thoroughly repulsive in their Alinsky tactics).
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 4 years, 6 months ago
      There are two choices to executive leadership: either you act unilaterally to the fullest extent of your powers to implement your vision or you make deals with other branches to pass the laws to implement your vision.

      I prefer making deals to being a dictatorship.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
      I kind of got out of the gulch for a while. There are a lot of people on both sides of the question with whom I otherwise agree with.

      I was Cruz all the way (cause I think he cares about the constitution), but Its over now and I think it is important to keep HC from becoming president. I am going to hold my nose and vote republican yet once again! Maybe I should say he is not that bad compared to the last two republicans presidential candidates that I voted for. Who knows, he might even win.

      Best strategy I can come up with at the moment. Vote for the maximum payoff I can get, even though it is not the maximum payoff I hoped to get. Compromising sucks!
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 4 years, 6 months ago
        Unless you live in a swing state, your best strategy is to vote for Gary Johnson. If you live in, for example, California there is no way your vote is going to help or hurt Hillary.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 6 months ago
          The total popular vote for Johnson (assuming it is uncorrupted by the GOPDem party) could be important to congress if neither GOPDem candidate gets an electoral majority.
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          • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
            Talk about game theory. This whole political thing is just one big game with a huge entry cost in terms of money and promises, but big payoffs later as you gete to spend some of the power that you get.
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      • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
        Anything but another Clinton or Bush. Hildebeast would be an extension of Obama, but worse. I would hope that if elected, she would not go to other countries as our representative. She cared more about the protection of her career than the protection of our country. Very sad situation.

        Trump has had my vote since the beginning. At least he speaks his mind. More than I can say for Hillary.
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    • Posted by johnpe1 4 years, 6 months ago
      okay, AJ. . could you consider these two facts?

      DT is a committed family man, at least with his kids
      and current wife of 11 years.

      DT is also committed to financial success for his family --
      including grounding his kids in blue-collar knowledge.

      all else considered, would his tacit adoption of this
      nation's people as "his family" probably include some
      "fatherly" actions like these? . could he become committed to
      the people and work his ass off for their success,
      perhaps? . I bet that it's possible. -- j
      .
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    • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
      If Trump loses to the hildebeast, who I think is a FAR worse choice for our president, it will be because Hildebeast promises goodies to the masses that the rest of us have to pay for.
      Trump isnt offering that, and I fear that the country is way too far gone to accept anything less. And most of the people dont even know what the consititution is, which is why Cruz failed pretty miserable in this election.

      The constitution doesnt promise goodies in exchange for votes, it just alludes to promising opportunities for everyone.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 4 years, 6 months ago
    For some reason, Trump makes a lot more sense to me than he does to a lot of people. I see him through the glass of "the deal". He literally wrote the book on it and prides himself on being a deal maker.

    No one approaching a negotiation reveals what he will settle for and usually asks for something he knows the other side is unwilling to give, just to get them moving in his direction.

    You also don't, as he explicitly says, let your opponent know that you are determined to come to an agreement -- this gives him all the power. The Obama administration was obviously determined to get a deal with Iran. Didn't work out so well.

    So, is Mexico going to write a check for the wall? Probably not, but they may wind up paying for it one way or another. Trump has mentioned the amount of money flowing over the border in unbalanced trade. It obviously reflects an opportunity to collect sufficient funds to pay for a border wall.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
      Yeah!

      If you wanted to play the "madman strategy" you could say that you were considering secretly issuing a "shoot to kill" order for illegal border crossings.

      That statement would be a deterrent if given by Trump, who could say if he really meant it? I know that is a pretty contrived example of the advantage of being unpredictable, but it would also be far cheaper than building a wall.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 6 months ago
    Nice find, Rob. This article is a very accurate portrayal of Trump's strategies to get exactly what he wants. Like selfishness, cunning has gained a negative connotation, when it doesn't always mean that. Trump fits the first two definitions of cunning from Merriam-Webster's dictionary. The typical use of cunning is definition 3.

    Full Definition of cunning
    1: dexterous or crafty in the use of special resources (as skill or knowledge) or in attaining an end
    2: displaying keen insight
    3: characterized by wiliness and trickery
    4: prettily appealing : cute
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 6 months ago
    Game theory?
    Anyone who has ever been successful in negotiation knows that stuff, if not from book learning, then from experience.
    Also, demeanor is a key factor. Just watching Trump is a treat to a good negotiator.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 6 months ago
    Trump understands the psychology of negotiations far better than any political figures in the last decade. He wouldn't announce a specific date of withdrawal of American forces, like Obama did, for Iraq. He also understands that walking away from a deal isn't necessarily failure, as when Reagan walked out on Gorbachev in the Reykjavik talks. To be successful in world affairs, a leader needs to project confidence and strength, more than anything else. He doesn't need to be a policy wonk, with an encyclopedic affinity for details, but he does need to be able to select the right people to provide that insight. Let's see what his proposed cabinet looks like.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
    Interesting article. I do have to comment that while game theory can get you a better bargaining position, in the end its substance that will rule.

    I say that Trump probably does use game theory in negotiations, but he is very deliberate and thoughtful when making a final decision. If he werent, he would never have gotten to where he is in business.
    Also, this offspring are really impressive, and that just doesnt HAPPEN by itself.

    I would be very proud if those were MY children indeed.
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    • Posted by jdg 4 years, 6 months ago
      My kids would look fantastic too, if I got to marry the best looking flesh money can buy.
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      • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
        My take on Trump is that he is really into excellence, and he imparted that to his kids. His properties are always the best, and he demands that from his employees. I loved the comment that he promotes people who have a PhD in common sense, and not necessarily from a university.
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        • Posted by BeenThere 4 years, 6 months ago
          t2
          ".... he demands that [excellence] from his employees."
          Don't believe he "demands" but expects b/c he looks for employees who value excellence in themselves........if, after employment they do not, he faces his error in judgment and removes them. (Excellence is a self thing and can not be demanded, only encouraged, recognized and rewarded.) BT
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 4 years, 6 months ago
    This nation elected a President (twice) with the "qualifications" of being a Muslim-raised, communist-raised community organizer .... and people are getting hypoxic about Trump? Curious.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years, 6 months ago
    I worked for a time in a US Congressional office, the realities, no one is as good as they sound when campaigning. They all play games. I was for Rubio, my husband for Cruz, until both melted down and tried to woo the establishment. Cruz reminded me of Lyndon Johnson, never could have voted for him nor do I believe he is what he says. We are both happy with Trump.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 6 months ago
    When I read of Trump being purposefully unpredictable caused me to think of the greatest samurai who ever lived, Miyamoto Musashi.
    Once he showed up hours late to one of his numerous duels to frustrate thus infuriate just another doomed opponent.
    I lost his "The Book of Five Rings" about martial arts strategies and tactics when I left my ex.
    Perhaps she hid it from me in order to study it.
    Ha! Ha! Me dino make a funny.

    http://www.samurai-archives.com/musas...,
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 4 years, 6 months ago
    Last night he played Ted Cruz like a well tuned violin.

    Cruz put himself in a totally untenable position. Trump gave him all the rope Ted needed to hang himself with and Ted used every inch of it.

    Ted cannot endorse Trump now without looking like he is pandering for approval. Ted if he does not endorse has violated his oath/signed pledge to support the nominee proving Ted a liar hence Lying Ted.

    The delegation from Texas pretty much abandoned Ted now so Trump proved to be a great strategist. They KNEW what Ted was going to say and allowed him to play it out.

    There is nothing chaotic about this convention. Do not be fooled. Trump knows exactly how to work this out. Compare the "drama" of this convention to the WWE and how they carry on their storylines year after year and fans keep coming back for more.

    I am betting Hillary and her team are shaking in their boots like a Chihuahua trying to pinch a loaf the size of a peach pit..
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