Melania Trump plagiarism?

Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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One of the more difficult aspects of being a professor is dealing with plagiarism issues. I ask you to compare Michelle Obama's and Melania Trump's speeches, and decide for yourself. Be objective.

For your information, many professors require students to submit their work electronically so that it can be checked for plagiarism via turnitin.com. While such software checks do check for similarities in words and phrases, the analysis that the software performs does not give proper credit to the student when the student does give proper attribution.

If Mrs. Trump were taking a class from you, would she pass or fail, after last night?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 9 months ago
    Melania Trump didn't plagiarize; her speechwriter did. And it turns out that part of the Michelle Obama speech was in turn plagiarized from a Bob Dole speech.

    Besides, a speech full of that kind of empty generalities doesn't have much in the way of real content to steal.

    I flunk the so-called journalist who "caught" this, and everyone else who thinks it's even important.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
    The media is always looking for some way to denigrate Trump. I am so tired of this crap. They let Hillary skate and they convict Trump. I say to the media- to hell with you.
    Here is the WIFE of a CANDIDATE, who is NOT a politician, whose 4th or 5th language is english, isnt a polished speaker, and probably had NO idea of what Michelle Obama said (who cares about what Michelle Obama said anyway), and probably got help writing the speech from one of the thousands of speechwriters out there that had better use of the english language--- and she gets pounded???

    She gave a good speech and conveyed the ideas she wanted to get across.

    And they they pound on Trump for NOT using pre-prepared speeches.

    I would think that Michelle Obama might have easily spouted words that SHE heard somewhere. People give speeches every day, and it becomes harder and harder to know what was said by who and when.

    Its completely off the point anyway. We want a president who will effectively perform the jog, and thats what should be talked about. Not this nonsense.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      I will not disagree with what you said. However, plagiarists fail to acknowledge the value of the thoughts and actions of those who came before them. It is anti-thought and violates Objectivist principles in so many ways.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
        Plagiarism and just plain copying of products I think are two sides of the same coin. I never simply copy what others have done. I learn from them and then do something different and better.

        Funny thing is that very often the people who copy really dont get anywhere. They tend to NOT understand the important design elements incorporated in the things they copy, and therefore make an inferior product.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
        Plagiarists are just taking the easy way out of production. Copy and paste are fine for repetitive tasks, not original work. But sometimes calling a whale a whale is not plagiarism, just fact.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
      Also very good term, I liken it to the lawsuit for Axanar, where they have completely original material in a framework that everyone knows. The message and content and context are different, and fits their communication needs. Not like it is copyrighted. Oh, wait, maybe all the politicos do copyright everything, so they can sue afterwards...Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't..
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 9 months ago
    My Gram used "Your word is your bond", over and over in the early 50's, to point out to all the grandkids, how they should act. It was a phrase in common use, my husband also was told that. It is not copyrighted by Michell O! Theoother phrases were also phrase in common use among working class Americans in the 50s, not some novel. Some language is part of the culture, not something owned by Michelle Obama. How about the whole speech Biden copied? If if it were a speech class, pass, as her delivery and personalization was honest and her own, it applied to her background.
    In College, my daughter was told she copied a research paper, but professor could not produce from where. Another professor came in and told him to set her down, give her any topic and tell her to write in in front of him. He did, she did, and he was blown away, and told the other professor he had never seen a student in his class with such a vocabulary and grasp of how to use it. Sometimes professors get goofy.
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    • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 7 years, 9 months ago
      Some professors are elitist snobs who refuse to be challenged and think because they have a Ph.D. they are the sole owner of knowledge and how dare anyone ever challenge their position as intellectual superiors. That is one reason I refuse to get my Ph.D in anything.

      B.S = Bull Shit
      Masters = Master of Bull shit.
      Ph.D = Master of Bull shit piled higher and deeper.

      Edited to add thought and fix spelling.
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      • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 9 months ago
        I had two professors, both PhDs, throughout my university time, both excellent and demanding. One from England was convinced he could impart knowledge upon us. The other, brilliant man, started his courses telling the students he could not impart knowledge, but could teach us how to look for it. I will never forget either of them, but is was culture shock having both during the same semesters, time after time. It did spoil me for other less intense professors.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 7 years, 9 months ago
    Lets also compare, Obama's speeches, Hillary's speeches Jo Biden's speeches who did not "PARAPHRASE" 53 words including "a", "the".., but copied entire speeches.

    Also, I find it interesting how academic elitists, like to apply their academic elitist application of plagiarism rules to NON-ACADEMICS then treat paraphrasing though be it closely as though they were serial killers who ate children.

    Here is ONE Academic definition of paraphrasing.

    "Quoting: To quote is to include the identical wording from the original source in your paper. Quoted material in your paper is distinguished from your own words by the use of " " or by indenting the quoted text (if quoting a longer passage). In addition to quotation marks or indenting, all quoted material should also be cited, using either footnotes, endnotes, or in-text citation.

    Paraphrasing: To paraphrase is to include the ideas or information from an original source in your paper by rephrasing those ideas or information in your own words. The key to successful paraphrasing is to use as few words as possible from the original text--be mindful not to change the meaning that you are trying to convey as you rephrase--and to cite your paraphrase. Without proper citation, your paraphrase could be construed as plagiarism." (http://www.plagiarism.org/citing-sour...)

    Now if you compare word for word, and use academic acceptable standards, this was BORDERLINE, but not done for profit.

    Next, I suppose using the phrases"Your word is your bond", "Work hard for what you get", "My parents passed on their values to me", Values need passed from generation to generation" in my opinion are phrases that fall into the PUBLIC DOMAIN.

    So you can nit-pick all you want. the long and short is that Milania, speaks 5 languages fluently, and English is her 5th language not first or second. Milan is IS a first generation LEGAL immigrant to this country and is a naturalized citizen and has NEVER degraded out country by claiming this is a mean country like Michelle has.

    Next, I took Milania's speech and ran it through 2 plagiarism checkers one being Grammarly and her speech came up with a 29% similarity with both averaged.

    Next and to your last point, SHE IS NOT TAKING AN ACADEMIC CLASS FROM YOU for some academic grade!! Or ANY professor so this is really irrelevant and does not in any way subtract from the FACTS of her life.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      Indeed, she is not taking a class from me. Proper attribution is part of exchanging value for value, however. FYI, a 5% score on turnitin.com is Turnitin's cutoff for whether or not the professor should do his/her own plagiarism check.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 7 years, 9 months ago
        Then almost 100% of all political speeches need your same condemnation. In fact if you put the stuff here in the gultch to your standard you need to condemn the majority of people here too.
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  • Posted by blackswan 7 years, 9 months ago
    My understanding of plagiarism is that one copies, without attribution, another's ORIGINAL statements. If that's so, how can one assert that Melania plagiarized another, when Michelle obviously didn't originate the ideas she spoke about?!? "Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all into the valley of death rode the 600." If Melania had used THAT in her speech, without attribution, then you could claim plagiarism. Speaking pablum, when English isn't even your first language, doesn't count.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
      pla·gia·rism
      ˈplājəˌrizəm/
      noun
      noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms

      the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
      synonyms: copying, infringement of copyright, piracy, theft, stealing; informal cribbing
      "accusations of plagiarism"

      It's a common practice and relatively easy to get away with. Anything that is older than the copyright laws allow your safe. They are something like patents in that respect. Words I beleive have to be more exact especially in the public arena where they were meant to be listened to, thought about, and hopefully adopted. This particular case follow at least degrees of that. Was it exactly word for word? No and no one with any brains at all would have knowingly cribbed something wihich in effect shows admiration for thiier mental ability in this case. Did someone slide an unattributed piece of work in to the pile of suggestions? I would believe that

      A full blown case of intentional plagiarism of thoughts and ideas for profit does exist in this country in the writings of George Lakoff whose 'system; may be attributed directly to the philosopher Plato and many of his linear descendants and he claims in doing original thinking and makes a profit at doing so. That was my evaluation of his writings which are also sophomoric to my thinking and evaluations. Yet he no one has stood up for the original authors and thinkers and filed a counter claim. In my personal estimation he is a a fraud and he is at the level of a secular 700 club.

      I rather thought the left was a bit wiser than using this as some sort of point scoring device considering their own background but then that applies to so many many talking poiints,. Economics, morality, treatment of the military, women's movement, equal opportunity, civil rights, various 'isms, The are so used to getting away with it they don't think of fact checking and finding out as others did the name of Eleanor Roosevelt was involved.

      No. just mark it down to the current campaigns version of Bimbo Brigade Babes.

      Unless you wish a full blown he said, she said war and that is one thing the left cannot survive.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 9 months ago
    About 5% seems to be identical to Mrs. Obama's speech. It's probably a vanity thing for Melania to claim to have written it all herself, and the speechwriter who inserted those copied words either was ignorant or malicious. In any case, a classic example of a tempest in a teapot, which the Dems are very adept at.
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  • Posted by ritzenhauf 7 years, 9 months ago
    both Michelle and Melania are guilty of speaking in clichés and uttering unoriginal thoughts.

    i find it hard to condemn anyone for plagiarism in short bursts of well-worn over-polished nuggets of average wisdom.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 9 months ago
    The fog of politics can be as bad as the fog of war. If it is to be believed the speech writer has accepted full responsibility for the unreferenced "quote". I wonder if anyone has compared Michelle's speech with Jackie Kennedy's in 1960.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
      Michelle's original speech had something to do with trying out her new airplane for a trip to Paris - for dinner. I do not recall anything of substantive value that followed.

      Reading that speech, had I listened to begin with I doubted she had written a single word. Of course that was with the sure and certain knowledge that important people don't have to do such mundane unimportant work as truthful conversation with the people they hope will elect them.

      I wonder how many of these could write a speech as short and as meaningful as that beginning with "Four score and seven ....'

      Count them on the fingers of one hand? Why do I not feel defrauded? Because no one expects much from Genus Politicas these days. It also explains why I don't listen to debates or conventions. If they can articulate verbally they cannot speak truthfully. Normally the two reside in the 'can't' column.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 9 months ago
    I think it's plagiarism but about something very unimportant. The candidate's spouse speaks. It's not that important; of course she/he needs to say the candidate is a great person. Then if she makes some misstep like this, it's an opportunity schadenfreude. I don't like that spirit.

    The plagiarism was so blatant, I wonder if one of the speech writers, or possibly even Donald or Melania Trump, put the copied language in the speech for some strategic reasons: to get the subject onto a mini-scandal instead of something else, to undermine secretly the campaign, or to make those supporters who felt not so smart in school sympathize with the Trump family as underdogs.
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    • Posted by jhagen 7 years, 9 months ago
      Exactly! My first thought was that the speech writer was a lib plant. Then started thinking your thoughts - was this setup so that if the talking heads started criticizing the speech, they could then say, "Hey, you thought it was brilliant when the dem said it. You've just demonstrated you lake of objectivity." Or... (fill in the blank).
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
      The text of Elizabeth Dole is printed in this blog- I heard that this speech including the text in question as used by HER prior to either Michelle Obama or Melanie Trump's speeches. I wonder who else used it. Its pretty common pablum stuff anyway.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 9 months ago
    I think the more important issue is what they said and whether it is true or just political feel good rubbish designed to make them appear to be similar to the wider audience whose votes they covet.
    Michele definitely said what she knew their wider audience would approve of, regardless of how false the content. (And it was largely a pack of lies.) I don't know Melania's history, so she may have been speaking the truth, too.
    Michele flunks on ethical grounds, the lying whore.
    Virtually none of the scum who write speeches today have any ethics so why should we expect them to create original content? Flunk the speech writers.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
      I thought Michelle Obama was a back up singer for the Supremes rock group. No class at all. But one would expect from the wife of Obama himself. He has no class.
      I have to give Trumps wife one thing. She was gutsy to get up there and give a speech not even in her native language. Its no wonder why she might have wanted some help writing it.

      As to the content, she just wanted to give the people there an idea of what Trump is like as a person when not in the political arena being pounded on from ALL sides by competitors and media.

      Trump is a lot stronger than I am. I would have told everyone to fu$% off long ago and forgotten about the job of president for good.

      Interestingly enough, I thought his son Don Jr and particularly Ivanka are really pretty cool. Maybe THEY should run, particularly Ivanka
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago
    What's important is the Professors's feel compelled to check for plagiarism. So much for the Safe Spot Sanctuaries validity as a public institution.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 7 years, 9 months ago
    There is no such thing as plagiarism when political speech is involved. The language, in its present form is 1400 - 1600 years old, and everything has been said before. Complaints of Plagiarism are usually media or opposition based to take attention away from what was, or may have been a good moment for the charged party.
    President Reagan's "Shining 'City on a Hill'" is from Mathew 5:14 quoting Jesus' "Salt and Light" parable from the Sermon on the Mount, it was also used by John Winthrop the 1st Gov. of Mass. Bay Colony in 1630. "My word is my bond" is Act III Scene II of "Midsummer Night's Dream" by Shakespeare in 1600. Did Michelle Obama credit the Bard?
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 9 months ago
    jbrenner,

    Having worked in IT support for a number of years at Universities and Community Colleges. I often tell professors to not trust TurnItIn, but they being human essentially are lazy and want a push button solution to their work issues.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago
      I don't trust Turnitin, but I do use it occasionally as a screening tool.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 8 months ago
        As long as that isn't the "Only" thing that you use for proof. I think of it as a way to prescreen papers. Maybe get half or so past the point of looking more closely, and then checking citations to rule out most of the rest. Hopefully none are still suspect by that time. You get what I am saying.

        I had a Prof once who just ran them through and wanted to give Double F's if TurnItIn popped on it. He didn't last long as a Prof.
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  • Posted by Sneaker 7 years, 9 months ago
    A simple question, a simple answer ..
    She would pass.The liberal press has blown this out of proportion.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
      And in doing so left themselves wide open to similar charges and once again proving they are too stupid to know when to shut up. Why pick a scab and re-open a wound. Swift Boat Veterans proved that but the left insists on slitting it's guts open every time. What a bunch of dumb asses.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 7 years, 9 months ago
    One local news source which I do trust remarked that Michelle's speech sounded like passages from Will Steger's 1989 book, "Crossing Antarctica"! Many were very familiar and then Anne Coulter pointed out that most of them in one form or another were in every graduation address, (I insert) probably since Demosthenes stood on the shore with stones in his mouth trying ro speak over the roar of the sea! I know apologies were rendered by the person who actually wrote the speech but her claiming that she and Barach shared the sme values is more news worthy.
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  • Posted by pappyw47 7 years, 9 months ago
    The thing is, both speeches are so like 100 plus other speeches that I have heard in my lifetime. The real problem is it was never believable from Obama, and her activities say it was poppycock. And the Democrat peon who called out Trump should be ashamed of himself. But then, self- aggrandizing fools never are ashamed.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
    Yesterday it came out out that Melania's speech writer took the blame.
    College students do not have other people do their paperwork that they may or may not have to recite from before the class. At least the honest ones don't.
    Now if colleges allowed students to pick people to do their paperwork, I might give Melania a F for choosing a lousy writer.
    Or in real life I guess I could give the Trump campaign a F for hiring a specific lousy speech writer.
    Maybe I would also give Trump and F for not accepting the speech writer's resignation, but I don't know what was entirely behind all that.
    All in all, I hate to see any blown opportunity for beating the evil hag, though I heard one pundit say that this avoidable mess won't affect anyone's vote at this point.
    Well, I don't know about that. I imagine there are independents out there with willy-nilly thought processes that would make Ayn Rand's head hurt due to talking to them.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
      I went to college to LEARN, not to get a degree. I dont even know where my degree is at this point (probably some dinosaur ate it...). Today I think people just want the paper degree, and could care less about actually learning something they can USE in life.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 7 years, 9 months ago
        I went to school to get knowledge plus the 3 degrees,
        so that I could provide for myself and my family ...
        and have fun doing real work, to be productive.
        the degrees were harder to get than the knowledge.
        and everyone -- it seems -- tries to stop productivity. -- j
        .
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
          What one learns and uses is the important thing. The degree is just a piece of paper, not the goal. I think a lot of college students have this backwards today !
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
        I agree. Don't know why you felt moved to state as much.
        By the way, (it could have used more seasoning).
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
          I guess there are elements in todays culture that really upset me. I hear young people talking about "going back to school" like its a way to escape reality and not to learn about it. They seem "entitled" to so much that I and others are supposed to provide. It just gets too much at times.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
            Ah, you felt moved to vent. That's okay.
            That's why I roar sometimes.
            Watter's World is supposed to be funny; but after some cringing over people's ignorance, I usually snap, voice some profanity and go channel surfing.
            Oh, new thought inspired by you~
            Bet a lot of those idiots have degrees.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 8 months ago
      I would have given her credit if she had started reading the speech and said "Hell this isn't what I wrote and pulled out what she had written before the speech writer got her hand in it even though it might not have been as good. She would then have made up for the social pressure she fell for when she had said that she had written the speech.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
    If she'd attributed that part of her speech to Michelle Obama I'd have graded her mediocre. Since she didn't attribute her speech to its source, I'd make her do it over and, this time, be 100% original.

    I realize people liked the speech when Obama gave it but, I didn't really care for it. It didn't get any better the second time around. Michelle Obama has the better voice and, is the better public speaker. Melania Trump's voice isn't as good and, perhaps since she's not speaking in her native tongue, her speech is less strong, more halting.

    I didn't think schools of science would be so at risk for this or, are you considering their basic studies and humanities courses, which would now have to be nightmares for teachers. Hell, they can call up Shakespeare on their smart watches now.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      The temptation to plagiarize lab reports is very high.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
        Perhaps the problem with that is the way the colleges are run. I went to MIT, and copying someone elses work wouldnt have gotten me anywhere. The whole purpose of labs should be to learn, not to simply get some paper degree like it is now.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          Cheaters do get caught ... eventually ... and definitely before they graduate. Dealing with the cheaters is the most delicate part of my job. I have to presume innocence, yet gather evidence like a detective. The cheaters are paying customers. It is in my best interest and my university's best interest to teach a hard, valuable lesson without summarily dismissing the student until he/she has a second violation, after which the student is dismissed. Even though only 10% of the students are Muslims, probably 80% (maybe even 90%) of the cheaters are Muslims. Many Muslims from other countries have are largely unfamiliar with what constitutes plagiarism, and so I have to do some education on customs. Doing so without being branded a racist is not easy. So far I have managed to do it, but not without significant anxiety.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
            Islam is a very different culture. Its is violent, aggressive, intolerant, and I would bet the idea of plagiarism isnt even in their culture.

            The problem is really with the colleges. Not everyone should go to college, and if they do it should be to LEARN, not just get a paper degree.
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      • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
        How do you combat it? Can you change your lab assignments enough to force them to do original work?

        Efficient adsorbtion of methane presents us with a big market. CNG vessels are expensive and a bit dangerous and hold limited volumes. Vessels capable of adsorbing methane could make CNG a much more popular motor fuel since, per BTU methane is much cheaper than gasoline.

        Any thoughts? Anyone in your department working in that area? If you think it's possible, we might get state funding for research since, low natural gas prices are crimping lots of state budgets.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          Combating plagiarism and cheating is challenging. Changing lab assignments enough to catch the cheaters is not difficult, but the effort required to do so must be balanced against productivity in our other endeavors. Usually a reference to AS is sufficient: "No one gets to this place by faking reality in any way whatsoever." It is one of my easy lead-ins toward the values embodied in Galt's Gulch. However, there are times when students transgress that must be dealt with. This is what raises my blood pressure.

          As for adsorption of methane, I do know some professors who work in this area. Certainly the one who is the leading expert is Omar Yaghi.

          http://science.sciencemag.org/content...

          Amoco (now part of BP) had a really solid group working on this in the late 1980s and early 1990s led by Rodney Mieville. Rodney passed away in 2013.

          See p. 591 and the articles that follow in
          https://web.anl.gov/PCS/acsfuel/prepr...
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          • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
            Does the plagiarism in lab reports problem have to do with students not actually doing the lab or, students doing the lab work badly and faking the reports or, are they doing the work, getting the results and choosing the easy route of copying a common lab report?

            Allow me to suggest what may not be a viable solution: Make your students video themselves doing the labs and writing the reports. They video themselves doing everything else, including things they're not supposed to do, why not video themselves doing something they're supposed to do? Then have them hand the low res video in with their work.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
      If you want to hear really good speeches, check out Hitler. Complaining about Trumps wife is really unfair. She was willing to do more than I would have, and probably you too. Get up in front of thousands of people in person and millions on TV and give a speech in a 4th or 5th learned language. I think it was a gutsy thing to do.
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      • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
        So, she didn't plagiarize?

        I believe her speech writer has already confessed (well, what passes for a confession these days) and apologized.

        That was the original question; not whether she's bright, brave or, a good linguist or good speaker; just whether her speech plagiarized Michelle Obama's. It did. It would be nice if Melania Trump would admit it and attribute those paragraphs of her speech to Michelle Obama.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
          I would bet that Melanie Trump had no idea that Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Dole had used that language. She had help writing it, and if anyone is to be blamed it should be her and not Melanie.

          And how come Michelle Obama gets away with it, when the same language was used by someone else earlier?
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          • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
            Who? Two paragraphs?
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
              Elizabeth Dole. Her speech is printed out in this blog
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              • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
                I read it. I don't see the two paragraphs in question in Dole's speech.

                I think you should drop it. Melania's speech writer admitted the offending paragraphs came from Michelle. I'd say that's as close to definitive as you can get - the author said she plagiarized someone else.

                The smart and decorous thing for Melania to do is apologize and credit Michelle, or Michelle's speech writer. That's always the best thing to do in public matters, be smart and decorous. I know it's not Donald Trump's way but, that doesn't mean Melania and his kids can't be smarter and more decorous than him. In fact, I'd say his kids are.
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
                  I bet though that given the thousands of political speeches that are given, that michelle obama was not the first ever to use those words. In any event, I give Trumps wife a get out of jail card on this one, given that she wasnt the one who wrote the speech. that person I guess admitted it anyway. Its a small point and I really doubt michelle obama was the first ever to use those words.
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                  • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
                    58 consecutive words...? Since no one has come forward saying they'd written, used, or heard those consecutive words before Michelle spoke them, I'd say either her speech writer originated them or, the originator has been dead so long no one remembers.

                    This isn't about get out of jail or blame, this is about what's smart. Apologizing and attributing and thanking would be the smartest thing to do. If Melania doesn't then, she's not as smart as I hoped she was.

                    And, that's enough. Banging the same old nail over and over again isn't productive. If you don't and can't understand the best way for her to respond to the controversy, then my time is wasted.

                    Goodbye.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
    Did they sue? No? Then it isn't close enouogh.

    The questions for these excellent goals are why one failed to attain them while the other has probably got fourr years to prove their worth.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      I found out later that both Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Trump used the same phrasing as Mrs. Elizabeth Dole.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
        Transcript of Elizavbeth Dole's Convention speech. 1996


        "You have heard Condoleeza Rice speak eloquently of America’s place in the world.

        I, too, wish to address our nation’s security tonight.

        I speak not of military weapons, but of moral ones, of the defense of values as well as territory.

        Long before there was an American dream, there was a dream of America as liberty’s home and refuge.

        It was for this, that a million heroes fought and bled and died.

        Not alone to protect land on a map, much as they might cherish their home and hearth; nor to encroach on other lands or menace other peoples, or impose our way of life on anyone — but merely, heroically, to ensure freedom’s survival in a hostile world.

        Let us be clear: the success of freedom can never be measured in material terms alone.

        For one day, each of us will be held to account not for the money we made, but for the difference we made.

        Not for the worldly status we may have enjoyed, but for the stewardship we provided.

        Freedom empowers the heart.

        It levels walls and shatters ceilings — including glass ceilings.

        Ladies and gentlemen, in my eight years as President of the American Red Cross, I saw things that will haunt me the rest of my life — the evil that humans can inflict on one another — saw it in the dim eyes of starving children in Somalia and in the paralyzing grief of parents in Oklahoma City.

        But I have also been uplifted by the extraordinary power of the American heart — by those armies of compassion, who are willing to cross town or cross the globe to minister to those they’ve never met and will never see again.

        People who go where government cannot, and others will not, who carry our values of peace and democracy around the world, putting service before self. Such kindness and generosity are not legislated by any Congress.

        They arise from faith, neighborliness, and yes, occasional saintliness.

        Indeed, I learned long ago that you don’t have to be a missionary to be filled with a sense of mission.

        The 20th century was America’s century—not because of our power, but because of our purpose.

        Today, millions of Americans — of both parties and of no party — are seeking a politics of purpose.

        The next President of the United States must defend both America’s interests and America’s ideals.

        No one, no one understands this better than Governor George W. Bush!

        In an era of rampant cynicism and indifference toward government, he is determined to bring civility to the public square and restore our pride in our leaders.

        Throughout his career, he has appealed to the best in people, bridging our differences rather than exploiting them.

        As president, he will put an end to the smash-mouth politics of recent years and to the name-calling that tarnishes our trust and alienates so many real people whose real problems can never be solved in a focus group or soothed by a spin-doctor.

        George W. Bush will be a different kind of leader!

        He will use words to inspire, not inflame.

        He will move beyond the stale labels and sterile confrontations that all too often divide the American family.

        And, make no mistake, there are divisions in liberty’s home.

        Tonight too many of our neighbors are hurting.

        At a time of economic prosperity, there are too many American homes without hope — too many street corners where despair reigns — too many classrooms where children are being left behind.

        Like any good conservative, Governor Bush deplores waste — above all else, wasted lives.

        He will repair the frayed strands of community.

        And he knows that sometimes the best way to do this is through non-profits, businesses, civic and religious groups, schools and charities.

        George W. Bush understands there is power — and there is a higher power.

        He knows there is no strength without integrity; no security apart from strong character.

        For these timeless values form our first line of defense.

        Let this be our mission and our mandate — to defend frontiers of the heart, armed with faith and steeled by conviction.

        Today, America resembles nothing so much as Joseph’s many-colored coat, and in our diversity lies our strength.

        With that strength comes a matching responsibility — to make wrong into right … hope into reality … in the old, biblical words, to “let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

        Here, my friends, is the standard we raise.

        This is the faith of our fathers and mothers, the American cause we hold sacred, our politics of purpose.

        In the words of that great hymn:

        America! America!

        May God thy gold refine

        Till all success be nobleness

        And every gain divine!

        May God bless us in this great endeavor.

        And may God bless America.


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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
        I thought so- that stuff is too common to have originated from a backup singer from the Supremes (thats what Michelle Obama reminds me of).

        Of course, CNN would never let this information out, as it upsets their hidden liberal agenda.
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