Scientists under attack

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago to Science
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Ask a question, find a problem, question the process...you're attacked, you're threatened and your career is over...if not your life.

Sounds like the climate warming tactics? If they were on the up and up...why would they resort to gorilla tactics?
They have no idea how it effects us because they've never checked, watched or I suggest...cared.

Are they moral or immoral in their actions in the Ayn Rand world.


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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Be happy that you can walk. I'm going to finish the second half of my daily walk now. The doctors say that walking is the best thing that you can do for yourself. I'm not a fast walker, but I walk about three miles everyday.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While taking a shower, I had a revised vision of Shillaty.
    She as a gorilla was "Oo! Oo!" jumping up and down excited over what she saw in a crystal ball.
    Behind her was a large window filled with a huge air force of flying moneys flapping past.
    I interpret this vision to mean that what she has in store for our future is only pretty to her.
    Don't worry, folks, I ain't psychic.
    I've been called a creative person for years.
    Ah, and also a bit off the wall.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey, I like that better than "After while, crocodile." I think that we have both given away our age group.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i bet if the feds didnt rebuild properaties damaged by hurricanes and floods, people would be more careful. Thats a good idea to save your house
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 9 years, 4 months ago
    Dishonesty like the Man-Caused Global Warming crap is totally immoral from every standpoint even "selfishness, i.e. rational self-interest."

    Facts are facts period. Theories are not facts and a hypothesis is not a fact.

    The problem is that people pawn off theories as fact, opinion as fact.

    These things are no different that the discussions between Atheists, and Deists.

    Neither can argue their point with provable repeatable empirical fact, only reason on their theories and "beliefs."

    Atheists and Deists always find themselves at a stalemate but need to respect each others view for lack of fact.

    To violently attack each other's theory and opinion based view is "immoral" only because 100% provable fact is not available.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 4 months ago
    In the climate warming tactics, a small group of so called climate experts try to destroy the careers of those who do not believe that humans are somehow changing the climate so that we are all going to die in a few hundred years.
    In the anti GM food tactics, so called powerful companies who represent the mass of consumers try to destroy the careers of a few whistle blowers. So in the first case a small group of climate change artists try to destroy a larger group which sees no problem while in the second case a larger group of so called GM food users who see no problem are trying to destroy the smaller group of whistle blowers. In both cases the smaller group of whiners use career destroying tactics.
    Remember that it is the dosage that makes the poison. In feeding studies, usually there is an extreme difference than in how a product would be used by a consumer. As for humans being used as test animals, all animals, including humans, in the wild are constantly subjecting themselves to new chemicals in foods just from mutations and cross breeding of plants. Nothing alive stays biologically the same for a life time.
    I wouldn't worry about GM food, I get enough health issues just for being about 30 lbs overweight and short of starving myself find weight lose to be a problem, where it is not worth the time to run an obstacle course get the just right natural types of food. Unless you go out into an untouched wilderness and gather your food, there is no such thing as untainted healthy food. Worry about it is most likely more detrimental than just eating available food. Besides, if you do not like eating too many insects then there may be fewer insect parts milled into your cereal with the GM versions and far fewer than if you revert to the ancient hunter-gatherer methods. That is, if you eat cereals since there are those who believe that humans are not meant to eat grass type seeds.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why not ask that any product containing GMO elements be so labeled? That gives you the choice not to consume/wear/use suspect items. Let the market decide.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree with everything except the "jet stream"...it's a natural cyclical change...see: suspicious0bservers.org for a more scientific and reasonable look at what is going on with the natural climate cycles. Western societies and the scientist with in have ignored the cycles for a long time.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Check out Altered Genes/Twisted Truth...you'll see what we're complaining about.
    The Fact that they are trying to deny our "Free Choice" makes one wonder...it's justified to wonder and ask questions and check it out yourself.

    I do agree that there are wacko's on both sides but I think there are more wacko's on the monsanto side to be honest.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suspect that the same people are starving regardless of today's poison food. They had the answer years ago, but the liberal political idiots were lobbied by all the other insecticide mfg's...now we really have a problem. I'm talking about DDT...that whole thing was likely a scam. That story is told also in the book I recommend below. I also knew one of the scientist that worked on DDT at Dupont...he was a Neothink mentor.

    They were only trying to get rid of weeds and enable the plants to grow closer to each other. I hear there are better more natural methods to do that but never got around to vetting that out.
    The problem is, they have no idea what the long time human health effects are; not to mention that the weeds have adapted and grow anyway and the genetic mutations have effected nature itself...they have not acted ethically:

    If you get the chance read. Altered Genes/Twisted Truth, it is very detailed, from day one and backed up by tractor trailer loads of evidence.

    All conspiracies aside...we should be allowed to ask questions and get honest answers because it's not nice to fool mother nature nor one's conscious human counterparts.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've always wondered that myself. Guess they are invested in those properties or it is not economically possible to move elsewhere...

    Down the street from me, by the ocean (long Island Sound), there is a summer home built on an old steel barge platform...during high water events...the whole thing floats!
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Laughing...sounds like she's getting off on that experience...wish I could Un-see it. I see everything! including things Unforeseeable for most.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 4 months ago
    Monsanto, like mnany chemical companies, are progit first, and shutting up discussion is part of that. Much like yhr ftuh infudyty.the drug industry. If people have to die, to keep a product alive, so be it. Open scientific discussion is not possible, people are dtripped of grants, threatened or worse. Who cares about their reproduction, as Gats already has that covered with "vaccines". I know someone whose fater was a government inspector for a chemical company. He was paid for years to keep quiet, millions. Now his daughter who his his paperwork, receives the payoffs. Why has our government put original seeds in Cheyenne Mountain, but th rest of the population is to eat modified food? It is about if you are in power, or just people. They have done the same with climate experiments, alter the jet stream and you alter the livehihood of people. But scientist are nt allowed to discuss that. It is looking more and more like a coming oligarchy.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago
    Just once I wish some real scientists would step up to dispassionately study a controversial issue. Unfortunately we have to put up with a tug of war between money-driven and agenda-driven fanatics. I trust neither.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 4 months ago
    Hello Olduglycarl,
    Without GMOs how many people in today's world would be starving? I disagree with stifling free speech as much as I question the fear-mongering. If science can genetically engineer DNA for the worse, it could also re-engineer those found to have adverse problems and make adjustments. No?
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder why people live close to the ocean in areas where they routinely get hurricanes. Seems a bit crazy to me. Same issue living on the banks of the mississippi river...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You just caused me to imagine a furry Shillary walking on her knuckles.
    Remember when she barked during a speech?
    Now imagine her jumping up and down in front of a microphone.
    "Oo! Oo! Oo!"
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought they were unusually hairy, probably in an effort to hide the embarrassment of their lies...
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The idea here is that we prepare...simple stupid right?...but many are not cause they expect warmer weather...Not!
    Ignoring the cycles of climate is really dumb...unless you have an agenda to do harm.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago
    Olduglycarl, that's "guerilla tactics," kind sir.
    Now I could insult gorillas by equating libtard antics to "gorilla guerilla tactics" but I won't.
    Now I feel inspired to write "librtard hydrophobic wild chimpanzee guerilla tactics" but I won't insult chimps either.
    Afraid old dino has always been hard on primates.
    Back when I was a kid, "See ya later, alligator" was a popular thing to day.
    So I just had to come up with the follow-up of "But not too soon, you big baboon."
    That got a couple of laughs. Well, sometimes. Sigh.
    I better go.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Climate does change and has changed on its own for a LONG, LONG time. It is what it is and we have to deal with it. But not with regulations and taxation !!!
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, DBK!
    That quote and a too large fraction of the comments I read recently in this forum, sound to me devoid of rationality, in addition to very numerous cases of careless writing. The latter I interpret as an expression of a passionate drive to express what I see as a fear of reason and, ultimately, of the facts in existing reality.
    Thanks again.
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