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IRS Claims to Have Lost Over 2 Years of Lerner Emails

Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Anyone here surprised?


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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think "customer" is quite the right word for it. A big problem is that Republicans in Congress are inept and unwilling to fight them. There should have been a professional prosecution process established long ago, and not by turning it over to Holder to bury it.
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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The way these agencies are allowed on principle to operate with sweeping powers of arbitrary discretion regarding their targets as guilty until proven innocent (which they make impossible in accordance with their whims) is a very serious problem, but no one seems to be addressing it. There is currently some attention on the IRS for its abuse of organizations applying for non-profit status. But there is no recognition that this has been going on for years and becoming worse against all kinds of people perpetrated by state agencies as well as the IRS pursuing political and personal vendettas against helpless victims in state-sponsored shake downs and bullying with no where for the victim to turn.

    In the late 1990s the Roth hearings led to some reform of the IRS but never addressed the fundamental principles that taxpayers must be protected by the Bill of Rights. Everyone seems to assume that arbitrary power is somehow required for tax agencies and we can trust them to behave. That kind of extra constitutional tyranny has got to be stopped, but no one seems to care and no one is speaking out about it. This is a very dangerous trend.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well...when the real men put on their big boy pants and say it's enough and stop pussy footing around And do something. Or when America wakes the hell up and demands they take accountability and consequences. Not holding my breath on either account. Ps ... impeachment is child's play. Clinton was impeached and it made zero difference.
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  • Posted by starguy 11 years, 9 months ago
    Lois Lerner needs to be in jail.
    Dear Leader needs to be impeached.

    When will enough be enough?
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  • Posted by nicktheitguy 11 years, 9 months ago
    As a network admin, I call B.S. on losing only her emails and having everyone else's after a hard drive crash. Email is stored on the server in mail stores, not individual mail files. If they are backing up the mail stores (common practice), the data is on a backup somewhere. You can pick and choose individual mail files to back up out of the mail stores, but due to the quantity of mail files the gov't would be dealing with, they would not back up each individual mail file on separate backups...just the stores (or they would do all the mail files in one backup, so they could restore individual mail files) . If a drive crashed with the backup on it, it would be hundreds, if not thousands of lost users mail files. Not to mention, any good admin would have designed the system to handle losing a drive without losing the data...and with the size and scope of their systems...you know this is the case.

    Also, they have the option of journaling the data (and with all the requirements they give businesses in the financial and other industries, you can be darn sure they should and probably are journaling the data), which sends a copy over to an archive as the user sends mail and before they get copies of their mail. That way, if the user deletes the data, a copy is still retained for legal purposes.

    This is such a load of horse manure, it is unbelievable. Lyin', thievin' bastards.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    thank you, ewv, for these -- the stonewalling has
    developed into more blatant lying. these people
    must be removed from our employ. we are the
    customers, by shit!!! -- j

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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    According to these articles it is highly unlikely that the IRS "lost" two years of records, and Lois Lerner was required by law to securely keep paper records of her emails.

    IRS Rules Say Lerner Was Required to Keep Printed Copies of Those Supposedly ‘Lost’ Emails http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/...

    Veteran IT Professional Gives Six Reasons Why the IRS’ Claim That It ‘Lost’ Two Years of Lois Lerner’s Emails Is ‘Simply Not Feasible’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 9 months ago
    Yeah, and I've got a beautiful building I can sell you. Its called the Taj Mahal. The regime's lies have become so blatant that they couldn't get a 10 year old to believe them. What is even sadder, is the fact that they think the average citizen is stupid enough to buy it. Good grief, I hope they aren't right. But then, he did get elected for a 2nd term.
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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You know where the punishment is when a tax agency (state or IRS) accuses an ordinary citizen of something. Tax agencies are legally allowed to hound their victims, unconstrained by the most basic civil rights otherwise supported for the most vicious accused criminal. The tax agency makes up what it wants under the guise of "reasonable estimate" and heaps abusive demands on the victim, disrupting his life and draining his resources. There is no objectivity or justice at all. Evidence that supports the victim is ignored when it doesn't help the government in its zealotry to "make a case", the agency refuses to submit to the discovery process to determine its true motives and does not reveal exactly what the victim is accused of or why, and the burden is on the victim to prove his innocence. This kind of unlimited abuse routinely practiced by tax agencies combined with their increasing politicization is one of the leading manifestations of totalitarian behavior in this country.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While the gov't unions are a problem, they aren't the heart of this problem. It is the belief that gov't can solve all problems. And these morons join gov't specifically because they want to "help their fellow Americans." If I hear/read that again from some noxious HS grad, I think I'm going to puke.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not so much the union's influence as it is the natural inclination of those in government to hold up the image of the institutions. Most, in power actually fear admitting that they've found a real problem or in the case of Congress, that they really have no power or influence to affect the wrongdoings of the government's employees.

    It's far easier to concentrate our attention on a person, like Lerner, that it is to consider losing their prestige and appearance of influence.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1

    Thank you.

    The failure of the Fifth Estate could have been offset by an aggressive opposition party.

    Why this has not become a Congressional investigation that sticks, could be because we need the midterms to get the foundation to make it happen.

    I see a new vision coming soon....
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 9 months ago
    This has to be the stupidest of administrations. I can’t decide whether they chose today to make this announcement because everyone was focused on other issues or if they hoped this would be a distraction from those other issues.

    IRS scandal..got it. Lois Lerner lost all her e-mails to all the people outside of her department. Unbelievable. Pass the popcorn. I’m just waiting for Bagdad to fall.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because most people are unaware that government workers have their on union. Government workers don’t answer to us. It’s a conflict of interest. It’s time for a little union-busting if we really want to change how DC does it’s job.
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    Posted by shivas 11 years, 9 months ago
    Anyone that still believes that this is a phony scandal is in on it. Reportedly a member of Congress has requested Lois Lerner's email from the NSA.

    In my opinion, the misuse of the IRS is by far the most serious of the series of travesties of justice by the Obama administration. Using agencies of the government to subvert the opposition certainly rises to felony level for all involved. Unfortunately there is little legitimate investigative journalism in the government sponsored media. This is a consequence of allowing the left control of journalism education.
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