these bureaucrats think that we are stupid, out here.
they must be relying on the "Holder" defense --
that the DoJ will protect them. maybe not. -- j

Don't be so cynical. There was in fact a computer crash. It was the sound of the disk that Lerner threw against the floor.

Here is another good article on this topic:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/38...

June 15, 2014 6:45 PM
The Dog Ate My E-Mails, for Two Years
IT experts and the IRS’s own manual note that backups of Lerner’s e-mails must exist.
By John Fund

Two excerpts:

"In March of this year, John Koskinen, the new IRS commissioner, testified before Congress that all the e-mails of IRS employees are “stored in servers.” The agency’s own manual specifies that it “provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.” The reason is simple. It is well known in legal and IT circles that failure to preserve e-mails can lead to a court ruling of “spoliation of evidence.” That means a judge or jury is then instructed to treat deletions as if they were deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence."


"Why is the loss of the Lerner e-mails particularly important? Last year’s report by the IRS inspector general set out a timeline of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups. A full 16 of the 26 non-redacted events in the inspector general’s timeline took place during the period for which all of Lerner’s e-mails were “lost,” and these 16 instances refer to “e-mail” as the source for information on that event. As tax expert Alan Joel points out, much of the context about how the IRS scandal developed and who may have known about it is now “lost” in the black hole the Lerner e-mails are supposed to have been sucked into."

Way past time. Robert E Lee never should have surrendered.

Businesses are required by law to keep internal emails for some period of time. Yet the IRS utterly failed to conduct itself in a business like manner? No email system I have ever seen stores email only on the user's own computer. This is clearly an utter lie.

There are hard decisions to make. I know, I have made some, including withdrawing financial assistance from my kids. We live in deeply troubling times. You could find the time to organize groups of individuals working toward common goals. getting behind a candidate, laying out fundamental arguments and going over them to activate others. It starts with a phone list. I bet you have at least three lists with phone numbers of members of something or for something laying around your house. Get small groups together for coffee and lay out key issues you want to effect change in. It will be exhausting

Yup. And if this really is the case, they are violating their own laws requiring the backup and recovery of emails relating to financial matters for three years.

No surprise here. I expected as much.

Leave. organize groups of people to protest at first the state level and then organize groups to go to the capitol. Go find the money that will back your organization. Look for that money from prominent businesspeople and professionals (such as doctors) in your community. Run for state legislature. or...leave

If only.

They don't need encouragement. If you don't vote they won't need votes either.

Yes! we are their bosses' bosses. better? -- j

But I bet through the NSA, the IRS has all our emails. They haven't lost a single one since the start of the Internet.

I heard a rumor that the NSA is keeping track of emails, maybe they could help out.

The technology to recover data from a crashed HD has been available for 20-30 years.The only way to completely erase a HD is to bathe it in sulfuric acid. I hope Congress has this knowledge and the cojones to demand the HDs be sent to them for data retrieval.

if reasonable people controlled congress, they could
abolish the IRS and establish an across-the-board
postcard tax return -- 3% of the money which you
have left after you pay for family security from the
feds!!! -- j

If this were a corporation by law all emails would be archived to an email server. I would bet that the IRS has the same system. The "computer crash" is a red herring. The person who gave that excuse needs to be called on the carpet before congress.

I can't help but recall all the training I received in the corporate world about the use and misuse of e-mails in the workplace. You can never completely delete an e-mail. And they get away with it.

HA! HA! HA! HA!

Last I checked if someone lost that much email in a company under SOX jail time would be on option. Seems like someone at the IRS should be forced to eat their own dog food.

SURE there was a computer crash!
SURE the IRS accidentally lost those specifically requested emails!
SURE Lerner took the Fifth because she has nothing to hide!
SURE! SURE! SURE!
And you can surely bet that the IRS has not lost any tax information on all of us.
And never ever will . . .

We need a Ragnar to lay on a raid on the place.

Gee, I thought the NSA had out Googled Google in keeping "metadata", and they don't have them? Any one remember the Clinton defence? "I don't recall" Now it's "I don't know what the server did with it".As soon as we wake up and give up on the need for overwhelming mounds of evidence when it is clear based on known facts someone has lied, cheated or stole, and punish for real, then things would change. But it keeps sliding in the other direction to where you can kill someone on video and just say "That wasn't me" and get off. No wonder AR invented the Gulch, reality sucks.