#15 FAILS OBoohooCare centers now in debt 1.5 Billion. Continuing Saga of the 'Economics and Politics of Failed Socialism

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See link for the chart graphs on breakdown of the 15 States so far ....it ain't over until Jan 20th

Another co-op is shutting down, becoming the 15th to do so and bringing the total number of federal loans given to the failed nonprofit insurers to more than $1.5 billion.

Oregon’s Health Co-Op announced last week it will no longer be able to continue operating and will be shutting down. The insurance company is the third in the state to struggle financially and Oregon’s second co-op, following Health Republic Insurance of Oregon, to close its doors.

Oregon’s Health Co-Op’s closure affects more than 20,000 consumers living in the state, and customers have been advised to select new plans by July 31.

“It is with great sadness that I announce Oregon’s Health Co-Op is shutting down its doors immediately,” Phil Jackson, the co-op’s chief executive officer, said in a statement. “The board of directors agreed that it is in the best interests of our members a
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 9 months ago
    If you hate Obamacare, you're gonna puke when his highness once again illegally changes the law to create a "government-funded" option. The collapse of this fatally flawed system was always part of the plan to make the single payer system the solution. Now that Her Thighness has made peace with the Sandernistas, expect her to ensure the single payer system becomes the law of the land. After that fails, a National Health System (like the one that works so well in the UK) will be the touted solution.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
    When I was a kid, health care prices were reasonable and you just paid them. There was "major medical" insurance available that covered 80%, and it was cheap.

    Now we have medicare, medicaid, and obamacare and the health care costs have skyrocketed out of control.

    I have to think its because of government interference, but its so complex I really dont know who or what to blame. I just know its not working.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 7 years, 9 months ago
      Yeah, back when T-Rex walked the earth I remember such things, too. I think there are other dynamics at work here as well. For instance, way way back in those days I would pay $11 for a dental visit. Then my company got dental insurance that would pay up to $11 for a visit. Within 3 months the cost of a visit was $22, $11 from the insurance company and an $11 copay from me. Some years later the insurance would cover up to $23, but then the fee was $40. This was happening all over my area. The more the insurance companies covered, the more expensive the service became. It was like free money to some folks and didn't help us working stiffs.

      Then I've come to appreciate the lawyer tax on the health care industry. Lawyers would sue and lawyers would defend. Money made all around. It brings to mind a former Democratic candidate for president, John Edwards. He's a lawyer that made his riches suing doctors and the health care industry. The brag during his run was he paid $300 for a haircut. That means some blue collar worker in Atlanta coughed up a $300 monthly health care insurance premium, which bought Edwards a haircut and there wasn't enough left over to get the worker an aspirin for a headache. When I was watching television in Florida recently, every 5 minutes I had to endure a lawyer commercial promising to make you rich by suing your doctor or some other arm of the health care system. Lots of $$$ in health care premiums not caring for health. I think Obamacare was just another bleeding tube to move money from the health care system into the legal system.

      Yeah, term2, things seemed much more reasonable in younger days. When my first daughter was born I didn't have health insurance and even though I had a low paying job at the time, I could still afford to pay off the bills. Now it's a real "ouch" even after paying huge insurance premiums. I agree with "I just know it's not working."
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
        I remember the T-rex wandering around also. I also remember that the doctors used to set aside a part of their houses where they received patients. There was one of those doctors no more than a mile away from where I was living in Madison, NJ. You just paid the relatively small fee to see him. No insurance hassles for me OR him. And the visits werent rushed either. Now I have to drive 5 miles to see a doctor, and he has a staff to take care of insurance paperwork and most of the time I get referred to a specialist after insurance approves it.

        I had to join MDVIP, which is what they call a concierge family doctor practice so I can actually get an appointment when I need it within a day or two Added $125 a month membership fee, but means that the visit isnt rushed. The MD has 300 patients instead of 3000 in order to make a decent living. I can also call him any hour of the day if its something really important.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 9 months ago
    Further evidence that liberal-progressive understanding of economic principals and realities are based more on mystical concepts than reality. the lib-prog economic concept is structured around what they want the system to do rather than what it can do. There are some economic principals that are as inviolate as the laws of gravity and thermodynamics and yet the lib-progs insist that even so these laws do not apply to them or their notions. My dog is more likely to learn how his food gets into cans than lib-progs are likely to come to understand fundamental economic principals
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  • Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 9 months ago
    “The board of directors agreed that it is in the best interests of our members and community that we wind down our operations.” Ah yes, the altruist pledge... yet again.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      Second time for Oregon but considering the official state pastime it's no real wonder.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
        You are indeed correct, Oregon is like a breeding pen for Dumbocrap lemmings and their idiot ideas "Lets run off a cliff and see how many follow". Inevitably many do...mostly the ones on PERS.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          At one point PERS used to be the most well run and profitable public employee retireement systems in the nation. They thought they paid the fund manager too much. ha ha . You pay for what you get.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
    I suppose there's no real need to comment after the Topic Headline. No fix and more failures with Hillary. Trump? ha ha Another NY Liberal corporatist socialist . Libertarians? Not while they are supporting Hillary. No need for shades the future is NOT bright.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
    Amazing thing, is that this was all forecasted, known and still when Criminal Pelosi crammed it through, and the videos of the lies surfaced, the sheeple still voted for the a holes. Then they keep going back to the well of fantasy and theft, and vote for Hillary Beast. The country is populated with moronic idiots who then cry and moan when they have to pay 2K a month for a health plan that is a band aid and a kiss on the boo boo by an ugly nurse with a mustach.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
    So? What is he doing to pay that money back to the US citizens that loaned it to him?

    Perplexed. Oregtons 70% government owned. How about we divide up those areas especially since BLM has proved they couldn't manage and adult male's age and sell it off with a real deed. No forest, mining, water, grazing or other exemptions. Throw in a 50% property tax exemption of what ever Oregon charges the rest of the State and it should pay off their debt with interest in short order. Can't be done. ? Oregon already does it for those who keep land with x number of trees per acre and other incentives. Florida uses the Homestead Tax Break.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 9 months ago
    i am currently reading "The Worst President in History"...Health Care Co-Op is just the tip of the iceberg of Obama Fiascos...that only enrich Obama and his converted 2012 Campaign for President fund...trying to surpass Bill & Hitlary's "Charity" fund...
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
      Exactly why we need to just eliminate the political parties from any office. All of them should just be blank, you run on your own.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 9 months ago
        that is one of the points in the book "Two Tyrants" on the republican and democratic parties..."r" and "d" are listed on all ballots and on some the ability to vote a straight ticket for one or the other...
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
          And allows you to vote completely automatically, without thought as to the candidate, after all he/her is "ours".
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          • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 9 months ago
            voting without thinking...imagine that....
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
              I know, sad, but a lot of things are done today without thinking, so why not voting? Seems to be the new standard...
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
                Nothing wrong with it if you want to capitulate to the neo aristorcracy/establishment/feudalistic left and thier government over citizens viewpoint I buy lottery tickets the same way. Long odds? which is worst your system or my lottery system. I buy fro the same vendor in the same amount and take whatever the machine spits out. 10Four times a year. $10 or five sets of numbers.

                Honestly who had the better odds of winning? Mhy lottery ticket or your voting method?
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
                  I wish..I play the same three number sets all the time, for 20 years, thinking the math would work it's way through the randomness rules. It doesn't, no more that the truth does,..
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                  • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
                    Along with a tip on maximum investment risk reduction - the sorry truth is each time you start with an entire set of numbers so do the odds start again. Other than the order the balls are fed into the hopper times the number of turns, same direction, same speed etc. or shakes remains the same that might have some bearing. Still the odds are so high one could go, as I have with never more than one, occasionally two numbers matching those of the win.

                    It's sort of a joke with my friends and family. I can only buy two or three tickets a year as it must be done persnally and I only cross the border on average 2.5 times a year. But swore to buy a real house and a Jeep or Hummer but only when I won the lottery.

                    Either way between the two of us I had better odds of winning yesterdays 360 million than winning at lottery voting and a greater chance of my vote ticket being changed to different numbers than any regular lottery. The best percentage is none of the above, the worst percentage of chance is a non leftist which currently is zero per cent chance of a win,

                    Still I recall when a man in Florida won two major lotteries two times in the same year.

                    So i call it laughingly my state tax since for Arizona, New Mexico, and California it's the only State Tax where the Sales Tax is turned into an Income Tax no matter in which State the winner resides. It only matters in which State the ticket was purchased. Of the border states only a ticket bought in Texas will increase the prize whcih is roughly the prize fund available divided by two less maximum federal tax and maximum state tax. Roughly one quarter or 62 million BUT only taxed once.

                    Best investment? All investments are risk taking. Prize divided by numbere of years life expectency with a fudge factor for unexpected longevity OR to cover a decent long term care facility AKA why bother living fund.......put the money in non interest bearing account, never pay taxes again. In truth the bank or banks become your mattress and the real life version is zero percent T-Bills as the least risk mattress of them all better than any bank coupled with FDIC.

                    Hard to figure now the rates are increasing near vertically each year when government induced inflation and devaluation are considered but absent that figure all risk is cancelled.
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                    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
                      Well there is the use of statistics to say which numbers have been pulled the most, and the randomness of their distribution. Hasn't done squat for me, but then the odds are a bit long....
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                      • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
                        I have this tiny corner of my life which drools over the thought a subjective coup. Money with no more work than buying a bit of paper and checking the 'net for results. Then paying the taxes one time and taking it out of circulation until i felt like spending it on something. For myself. On those occasions I decorate the bulkhead in the man cabin with no good tickets.
                        Makes for a conversation piece. There's no room for a coffee table.
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                        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
                          Rest assured if it happens the after tax portion will find other places to reside and all of them in non interest bearing accounts. Why risk that much money when there's more than I need for these least few years? Old folks home? Hell know just hire the RN's and staff like any one else. Then when I die I want to have ten or twenty maxed out credit cards and accounts that total zero. Not enough to pay for the funeral except some pittance from the government.

                          Nice thing about death. After it occurs there isn't a damn thing any one can do about it.

                          Anyway it's all subjective. Only the last part is objective.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
    Par for the (all about O) course for a legacy built on baldfaced lies combined with the unbelievable jackass Dem-wit stupidity of "Let's pass this bill to see what is in it.".
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  • Posted by MurraytheDog2757 7 years, 9 months ago
    It would be wonderful if one Obamacare naysayer would provide an alternative model for healthcare. I am not saying I am for Obamacare, simply that the system is irretrievably broken. It does not seem to me that this is something that needs to be in the hands of corporations. Lest you think that I am "leech" on the system, my company and I split the cost of health insurance for my wife, two kids and me. It is $31K a year and a startling proportion of the claims get kicked back.
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    • Posted by cranedragon 7 years, 9 months ago
      Why is health insurance seen as immutably different from home insurance, renter's insurance, car insurance, long-term disability insurance, life insurance, or annuities? In all of those cases, Mr. Market seems to do a reasonably acceptable job of matching buyers with sellers.

      However, too many have come to accept the mantra that universal health CARE is a universal right without making the necessary connection of who pays for whose care. Sickness, running the gamut from a bad cold to a winsome child with a life-threatening illness, plays into all of our protective impulses that prompt us to say -- this should not happen. However, it is an unavoidable fact of nature that it does. Very few are willing to say that those tragedies must be allowed to occur if we are to have a moral society, and private care and private charity are the only moral avenues for even those heart-rending cases.

      First-year law students learn that "hard cases make bad law", when judges and lawmakers try to find a way to get the "right" result without getting there by the right road. I second the observation by term2 that in my childhood healthcare was readily available and within reach of ordinary people, and beyond that doctors regularly made house calls {gasp!} and took payments over time or in barter without the need for a huge, money-sucking insurance industry and a half-dozen billing staff in every practice larger than one or two doctors.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
        Because everyone wants to go to a doctor for the slightest ill, the numerous checkups, needless tests and anything else to grant a long miserable life in this socialist paradise. You don't call your homeowner insurance until the house burns down, then they tell you why they won't cover it. Car insurance makes their money off a 7500 repair that should have cost 2500.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 9 months ago
      No "alternatives" please. Long past time to end everything which smacks of Socialist Force, and that has come to mean simply ending GOVERNments all.
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      • Posted by MurraytheDog2757 7 years, 9 months ago
        So if you can't afford healthcare insurance you just get sick?
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          No or injured. All medical facilities are required to treat and stabilize any patient then pass them on to the appropriate place. Doesn't matter citizenship, insurance or no insurance any of that. Been that way for decades I don't know why people haven't found out about it. Unless of course Obandageme changed that. Most States have a Good Samaritan law to cover bystanders who try to help as well.
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        • Posted by jsw225 7 years, 9 months ago
          Don't confuse Healthcare Insurance as being the same thing is Health Care.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
            True. I have military retirees CHAMPUS TRICARE for LIFE . Supposed to be part of my retirement pay. Instead it costs me an annual fee, deductible and co-pay and the extra stuff is extra like eyes, and teeth.

            I have Medicare Part B & D which is mandatory to get military retirement pay without which yuu can''t get military medical for life which was supposed to be part of our retirement package.. It cost s$100 a month.

            I pay out of pocket for the whole thing and it costs me about 40% of the cost of medicine in the USA for quality medical care, very inexpensive pharmaceuticals and no paying any of the quote non mandatory add ons that were supposed to be part of my military retirement package.

            If it's convenient i can get a flu shot at WalMart but i can get one of those in Mexico for showing a passport and visa.

            For $70 or dollars a year I have medevac insurance so if something truly devastating cost wise hits I can be flown to the nearest US Hospital which is required to provide stablizing care and then transport me to the appropriate care giver which means all that useless so far coverage MIGHT be useful.

            Been easier just to allow repayment of the 40% of US medical costs bills if in another country. That alone would be a 60% savings which is a helluva lot more than Obamascare or HillaryCare ever offered.
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    • Posted by jsw225 7 years, 9 months ago
      No Obamacare is a valid alternative for Obamacare. It really is as simple as that.

      Somewhere along the line a failure of logic was ingrained in people's mind. The cure for the ills of your problems is NOT more of the ills.
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