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Solving the National Language Problem KISS works it's miracle.

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago to Education
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First of all the overwhelming majority speak English and the bulk of the documents, laws etc. are in English and English is the world for economics, banking, aircraft operations, ship piloting and maritime operations etc.

So divide the country into groups

1. Citizens and long time residents who speak a. English b. English and one other language. c. No English but one or more other languages.

2. Residents coming into the couontry on a work permit, immigration program something of that nature.

English number one, Spanish Number two the rest are negligible but valuable.

Methods of attacking the problem. Public schools, public schools with night classes, private schools, enlightened schools such as Berlitz Total Immersion. All the rest are stone age lump them together.

Who? Fact of life it doesn't take a language major to teacha language. It does take someone fluent in a particular langauge.

Illiterates need not apply.

The rest will sort itself out and initially perhaps with a little funding for a year or two .

Next the goals.

Everyone speaks two languages with no exceptions except those over 80 or here temporarily.

TheGovernment will not hire anyone nor accept in to the military ayone who isn't bi-lingual. That's the stick and the carrot.

Next Rule. No citizenship without complete fluency in English and one other language.

No one passes 8th grade without some foreign language training, 12th grade without at least a level two fluency a foriegn language and Level three proficiency in English. Any university degree with out a level five in English and level four in at least one foreign language.

Public schools will not be allowed to teach any subject whatsoever until the new student has gone through the English language course. Loss of credentials and public funding is the punishment. Doing their job for a change is the reward.

Now thinking I've short changed the Latinos guess which language is a. most prevalent in the western hemsiphere and b. easiest to learn. SPANISH! hint hint.

So here's Johnny Dimwit who can't get in the Army without a foreign langage and geater than valley girl grasp of what passes for English. Does he choolse Portuguese? Maybe, italian Maybe,French Maybe Russian No Chinese No. Mongolian Hell no.

But the other students will and probably some of them speak a foreign language coming into the country, English in preparation or upon arrival and then do a third and many will have three or four from the get go.

The homies have to learn English as a foreign language and back to Spanish. as the easiest one.

the unfair part but that's not my problem is the original citizens will be behind the eight ball But not draftable? No. The Army takes them they go to language school period. No pass discharged.

the other ha ha unfair part is the foreign students will zoom to the top of the pack.

The advantage is we reduce the national language need to what it truly IS Mostly English with a helluva lot of Spanish.

what do you think they will teach in Mexico or Canada? Same thing they teach now Spanish and English or Canadian and English.

That's a fracking joke.

Berlitz schools take one week for easy languages up to Russian and twoweeks for exceptionally difficult language using total immersion. The concept is simpile. Monday morning you walk in a fully furnished apartment and the teachers start rotating in. Only the subject langugae is allowed. By Saturday evening 2,000 word vocabulary comprehension speaking, reading and writing.

Where do you get the instructors? Language Departments of any college and all those educated people immigrating in country. Another blow for Spanish as the second choice.

by the way....in the westeren hemisphere HALF the world there are three major languages . Spanish, English, Portuguese.

In the other continents they number from a hundred or so to as many as a hundred iin one country. Count your blessings it's an easy fix and a great melting pot and that's the real problem. Those who want diversity to divide and control will be against it. those who want to honor the ethnic cultures and backgrounds of the world will enjoy the lerning experience of the North American Culture. If we can find where we put it.


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ever wonder why PR's in the military get promoted and which do not?

    The way solved that is refusing to answer up to anything but English.When i went to anothere couontry it was a point of pride to be able to speak with the natives in their language. Jack in the Crack in San Diego I did my reverse dumb gringo act and order only in English. And was thanked for helping them learn some more.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Little rule a lot of us learn. When they come north of the border it is their responsibility to learn our language. When we go south of the border it is our responsbility not to sound illiterate. On each side of the border aren't helping anyone by using the wrong language.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Puerto Rican has a heavy Portuguese influence. Ll and Y are like a hard "J" in English. So, "Yo" is pronounced as "Joe". My professor in college learned his Castellano in Argentina. So it was not hard to soften my Ll and Y to sound more Argentine. My wife cringes when I do a gutteral Puerto Rican "rr". It sounds like, as we used to say in high school, I'm getting ready to "hawk up a lugie." The Puerto Rican "rr" is the same as the Portuguese "rr".
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is true and doesn't contradict me.

    One. Spending money on schools that don't teach and students who don't learn is a waste and time. This gets the leeches off the back of the taxpayers. Wasting time and money I am certain it does exactly the opposite. Let's quit wasting money and if the schools insist on continuing then put the money to use somewhere else.

    Requirement? Only if you want government money or government jobs. There is no real penalty for self imposing stupidity. Only for the new people if they want citzenship. It's already a requirement anyway.

    The proposition? 60 plus percent of the population with 25% of the population even if by only providing the opportunity. The rest of the population moved here already bi- or tri-lingual and are aleady qualified.that should scare the blue jeans off the couch potatoes . Are you going to sing ethe same song in 2040 t 2050 when Spanish is projected to be the majority language? Try Google there were too man cites and sources to list them all.

    How could possibly be more waste ful than the Education Department under Obama? Well you could be working for Obamacare.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree wholeheartedly. I do think it's a good thing to learn another language as an intellectual pursuit, just as I think it's a good thing to learn math and history. It has also served me well in international business. But the majority of Americans will never actually NEED another language.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You notice I purposelfully sidelined Dutch and French? Or did they side line themselves? hmmmm

    Official takes a vote or procalamation of government. Other than the requirement for all documents to be in English I fail to see any evidence of official. You first sentence is something you made up? Now why would you do something like that? What treaty by what name and where's the source and cite? Treaty with who? That is a contact between nations. PR is not a nation. Guam and Samoa speak Chamorro and the Phillippines chose to make English and official language along with Tagalog.
    Your last sentence is currently in use. Sort of leaves you figuring out how to get to first base when it's under your feet.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good idea. Fa;se Statement. Good bye...where you going? It's called participation. If you have not the intellect nor the balls well then....
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  • Posted by rbroberg 9 years, 6 months ago
    Michael, I am sure of two things: (1) a requirement from the government to learn more than one language is waste of time and money, (2) learning certain other languages is worth time and money. I am unsure about proposition (3): You are in a completely sarcastic mood.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    RAther bluntly stated in the first post. No grade school nor high school nor college degrees no government jobs including military. No citizenship. There are many logical extensions.

    What exemptions would be automatically provided?

    What exemptions would be considered upon application?

    Rather depends on the people operating the government at the time. Thinking of religion and government service, Quakers and George Washington they sat down together and figured out what would make two opposing positions work. Then there is the fascist way as you mentioned. But not being a leftist it doesn' t much appeal to me.

    At first glance to me the punishment is self imposed by the end of the sentence of refusal. Self limitation to be a second or third rater comes to mind. Not my problem. The problem belongs to the refuser. So does the guilt and the punishment. Moochers No :Looters no but certainly a class apart. How about Barbies.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Like all languages they are tools. Codes. English is nothing more than 26 letters, 10 numbers, 8 musical notes with modifiers. Computer codes are the same they are not foreign. No matter what planet you are from.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have a pretty clear English accent in Spanish. After a few words, people know I'm not from their region and eventually it's identifiable as an English accent. I think it's the cadence, loud s sounds and hard d sound, and my tendency to let unstressed vowels sound like the English schwa sound.

    Argentine is distinctive because of the y and ll sound and because of voseo (use of the word vos) Other countries like El Salvador have voseo, but I really notice it in Argentines.

    That's cool that someone could tell you were foreign but couldn't tell your native language.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope...I came from England in 1967 when I was 9 years old. I live in the Carolinas. I am just sick and tired of these figging pudnockers who want to apologize reflexively for everything that they think I did and give away the country my family and I worked hard to get to and has rewarded me with an excellent life. If I wanted to move to a third world hell hole...I would have. I feel sorry for all these people that live else where, but that doesn't mean I have any obligation whatsoever to have them move in to my house and take my stuff....and that is pretty much what the guilt crowd is volunteering us all for.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That sure sounds like the Longshoreman dialect of American English that I heard so much when I worked in the maritime industry.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I probably had a different motivation. When my mom was a teenager the local Spanish speaking congregation needed an organist. So she ended up going to church in Spanish for several years and picked up enough to get by. As I was growing up she would occasionally say things in Spanish and I developed a desire to learn it. My goal was to be able to pass as a native. One day in Santiago, Chile I was talking with some Chileans and Americans. We were going back and forth between English and Spanish. Another American, who was fluent in Spanish walked up while I was speaking Spanish. After a minute he asked me in Spanish if I was from Argentina. I said in English "No, I'm from California, but thanks."
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Also, you could tack on a "nos"(first person plural reflexive) for emphasis just before the "lo".
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The marketing book Tribes is about how technology allows us to form virtual tribes with narrow interests, weird stuff like collecting antique chess games. We can find those few people down the long tail (The Long Tail is another good book) around the world who share our interests. I see no need for the tribes to hate each other. We feel that ancient out-group bias, but there's much less reason to give into it in the modern world.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was like eating spinach for me, learning Spanish at age 14-- repeating models until I was sick of them. "Why do you drink that? Because that's what I like to drink." What does he write that? Because that's what he likes to write." Pretty soon I'm completely bored and associating the -s inflection with third-person singular and do with all other subjects.

    But people learn other languages for their own reasons without a government plan. I don't get all the fuss. Whenever I travel I get a basic phrase book to listen on my phone. It doesn't take a gov't plan to know that's a good idea.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo did not give the conquered Mexicans and their descendants the right to use only Spanish in perpetuity. A standard clause in such documents gives the conquered people the right for that generation to use their native language, but subsequent generations are expected to assimilate.

    I realize that in today's world we have to be careful to not hurt their feelings. So the old treaties get interpreted to say things they never intended.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago
    The concept of "Tribe" has been mentioned, in an attempt to support common language because we are all part of the same tribe. Well, we SHOULD be all part of the same American Tribe, but I would tend to dispute the presumption that we ARE all part of the tribe. The liberals have done a great job of turning us all into hyphenated Americans. So we are all in individual sub-tribes and not united - divide and conquer. The last time we could have been considered all one tribe was 9/12/01.
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  • Posted by $ Terrylutz3682 9 years, 6 months ago
    This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. English is the language of the USA period. If you don't like it get out.

    Based on this post and the domination of a few individuals, I am leaving this site.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 6 months ago
    Learning another language is useless unless you have the opportunity to have an exchange with native speakers with some frequency. The speaking skills deteriorate surprisingly quickly if not used regularly.

    Learning Spanish makes sense for residents of states with a significant Hispanic population, but learning any other language should be situation-dependent.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    Call me old fashioned, but I don't think another law is needed, especially one regarding language. Our language is American version English. Period. If you don't want to learn it, get out. If my uneducated grandparents from Poland/Russia could learn it so can everyone else. They didn't abandon their native language, they spoke with heavy accents, but they made themselves understood and without a translator. Also, it took them a while, especially my grandmother to get their citizenship papers, but they got them and were damn proud to have them. Every time I visited, Grandma would quiz me about the Constitution, and such, so I learned as she learned in order to keep up with her, since even back then, they didn't teach that stuff in school. So.. native born Americans, if you want a second language make it your option to learn it. BUT don't let the government shove it down your throat!
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