West Virginia Flooding - help needed

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago to News
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Mercury One is always the first responders in America. FEMA is always the Last, if at all!

The flooding damage in West Virginia is on par with Katrina.
Volunteer or donate...100% of your donations go to disaster relieve.
SOURCE URL: http://mercuryone.org/west-virginia-flooding/


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
    Not to be unkind but my first thought in reading the title was. Hillary and Trump are campaigning in WVA? Then I doubled my donation and added an apology.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 10 months ago
    OK Carl, I donated 25.00. Those people have a terrible mess to deal with, I had also contributed 25.00 to a food bank that had run dry, that was on the news. Lots of speculation on the causes of this, I would also say a lot could have been prevented with good engineering, but with government, that is probably an excluded term...
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 10 months ago
    What is the strict Objectivist perspective with regard to giving donations ??
    I donate to many things, but thought that it was an exception to Objectivist philosophy. Can anyone clarify ?
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 10 months ago
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      • Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 10 months ago
        Ah, that is helpful. So, to summarize, charity is fine as long as it does not negatively impact the giver. Is that correct ?
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        • Posted by $ root1657 7 years, 10 months ago
          Charity is fine if the giver chooses to give it. Even if it has impact on the giver, and they choose it, and choose to accept the consequences of their gift, that is on them. Free choice is charity, forced action is looting. By that, then what would be call it if someone were told they couldn't give, because someone else decided it would impact them, and didn't allow it? Would that still be a form of theft, by taking away their choice?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 10 months ago
        Share that link with this guy: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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        • Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 10 months ago
          Yes, I can see both points of view so I don't know which takes precedence in Objectivist philosophy -- That if you don't have the option to do whatever you want with something, including giving it away, then you don't really own it in the first place. Or only "value for value" is advocated in Objectivist philosophy which would preclude ever giving away something if equal value is not received in return. OR, could their be a third way, which involves having faith and karma; that the giver will be repaid, at some undetermined time and by an undetermined person in the future ??
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 10 months ago
            "could their be a third way, which involves having faith and karma"
            I agree with your right to do whatever you want with your giving, but I don't personally believe in faith and karma. I don't need a justification for giving my property away, not giving my property away, or using my property differently from how other people think I should.

            I have a friend who inherited a family farm. Several times developers have tried to buy it. It would be worth much more as commercial and residential space than has a farm. So every month he keeps it as a farm, he's forging the returns he could get from developing it or selling it and investing the wealth in profitable enterprises. The farm has been in his family for 150 years, and he wants to keep it.

            Pressuring him to sell it and invest in something else, sell it and give the money to the poor, or keep it despite the low returns are all equally wrong. It's his choice.

            "is there anything else in AS where AR has a character give something away?"
            I can't think of any positive examples of giving in AS either. Hank Rearen giving his wife the bracelet isn't really giving if it's marital property, but it's representative of how I think of giving in the book. He wasn't looking for something in exchange. He just wanted the personal joy for himself of sharing the product of his work with another person. He didn't get that joy because she rejected the "gift". He was looking for someone whom he could give such a "gift" who would appreciate it.

            I also think of Roark in The Fountainhead. He consistently forwent money in favor of his own art. He didn't mind that much if other people took credit for and profited from his art. Art was his interest. He seemed more pleased when a young man on a bike appreciated his work than he was when he got paid. He was totally giving away his work as his gift to the world, but not in a self-sacrificing way, but because that's what he really wanted to do.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
            Not that your giving something away with out return of equal value...It would depend upon what is valuable to you at the time...you assess the risks and decide...will you see the outcome you wanted or hoped for.
            Mankind or "Conscious Human Beings", just like each cell in our bodies, place first our own survival, our own wants, needs and desires...if at anytime those conditions are met...we are more than likely to share any abundance; like offering a surprise visitor at supper time some food...most times we willfully, with no qualms, offer that person something to eat...that just what "Humans" do naturally.
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            • Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 10 months ago
              Well, but Galt did make Dagney clean his house in the Gulch in exchange for her room and board. Other than the jewelry that Reardon gave Dagney, is there anything else in AS where AR has a character give something away ?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
      I believe it comes down to choice and the reason behind that choice. example: donating to a project because it will create value or helping those that will appreciate it and make good use of it and conditions will improve; as opposed to nothing changing for the better and the perpetuation of the status quo.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
    I no longer give to charities or help in these "emergencies". People need to learn to live where disasters dont happen, OR plan for them themselves. Its not politically correct to say this, but I missed the part about how its MY problem.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
      It's not your problem but if it happened in your neighborhood I am sure you'd pitch in...that's what it is all about. Others outside the area, if so moved and with whatever one has in abundance may wish to help...no one is pointing fingers, just making others aware of the event. I myself didn't think it was that bad...now that I do,( and I have friends in the area),l have chosen to do what I could...simple stupid right?
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
        The friends should have anticipated something like this, but if it was a real unexpected thing, and you want to help them, thats fine with me.

        I am just tired of the entitled people just reaching into my pocket all the time using guilt to fix their problems. I am also very tired of the bums looking for a free handout. Its hard to have any sympathy for people when you are bombarded all the time by people looking to escape personal responsibility.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
          No, my friends were ok but they are helping out in the community...most effected were not the entitled type...many town centers and businesses are effected. It's really bad there.
          I get what you mean. I only donate to Mercury One, Hillsdale College for the work that they do and My local Veterans organization...when I can, which is not often.
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