11 Million Illegals Pay $11.6 Billion in Taxes so - We're All Good, Right?

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Last month the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report stating as fact each of the 11 million illegals the Obama Administration says is in the US pays, on average, $1,050 in income, excise and sales taxes each year so, (in a paragraph spilling over with moralisms and shaming) they're a net positive to the economy. Shazam! (as Gomer used to say).

National Public Radio says on average we spend $10,615 per year educating each public school student. The PEW Center says 6.9% of all K-12 public school students are children of illegal aliens. The Department of Education says there are 50.1 million K-12 public school students.

Blue Cross says the average emergency room visit costs $1,233. How many illegal aliens visit emergency rooms each year? We don't know because the Administration won't tell us however, the American College of Emergency Room Physicians unwittingly or, perhaps wittingly told us: "Many hospitals are concerned that the U.S. government will cut money — about $20 billion annually — used to pay for emergency care for undocumented immigrants — mostly in poor urban and rural areas. The health care law will eventually cut that money by half because of the anticipation that fewer people will lack insurance after the law is implemented. " http://newsroom.acep.org/fact_sheets?...

The Vera Institute says the average (39 state) annual cost of incarcerating a prisoner is $31,286 and, while the Department of Homeland Security hasn't made illegal alien prisoner statistics available for most of the current Administration's tenure, in 2010 the DHS said the average illegal alien population in State and County prisons and jails exceeded 300,000 and, exceeded 73,000 in Federal prisons. (Estimates from Bush Administration years had the illegal alien prisoner population as much as 100,000 higher.)

Multiply the number of children of illegal aliens in the public schools (3,457,000) by the average cost per student ($10,615) and you get $36.7 billion.

Multiply the minimum number of illegal aliens in prison (373,000) by the average annual cost ($31,286) and you get $11.7 billion.

Accept the ACERP estimate of Federal payouts for emergency room care (not state or local or uncompensated care) for illegal aliens and you get at least $20 billion.

Add together just these three ways in which illegal aliens burden us and you get a total of $68.4 billion.

So, per head, illegal aliens pay us $1,050 in all forms of Federal, state and local income, excise and sales taxes of all kinds and in return we pay $6,218 in costs for each of them.

Each illegal cost us almost 6 times as much as they pay in taxes. And you wondered why border states were so upset about illegal immigration and, in case you wondered why immigration produced such a boost for Trump, now you know. These are things to which common people are exposed and of which they're aware. When the Oklahoma Legislature passed the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act in 2007, making it a crime to employ or offer housing to illegal aliens, several schools in the Tulsa Public School system lost over 48% of their students. The city promptly declared itself a sanctuary city and they all came back. 48% of Tulsa's school taxes are being absorbed by the children of illegal aliens. Oklahoma's public schools rank 49th out of 50 in student performance and Tulsa's public schools rank lowest in the state. Do you imagine the flood of illegal immigrants that has poured into Tulsa in the past decade hasn't hurt the education received by the children of legal, taxpaying citizens?

I realize many of you are philosophically no-borders people but, unless you're complete fools you also realize Ayn Rand expected people to pull their weight so, in our less than ideal world, no-borders can't work.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
    I wonder how much wannabe terrorists who sneak in with illegals pay in taxes.
    Next, I would like to know how much wannabe terrorists who come in legally pay in taxes.
    To cap that off, I would like to know how much no longer "sleepers" terrorists who actually kill off someone's loved ones pay in taxes.
    Then in view of Kate's Law having been again rejected by evil slime bag lib politicians just this week, I would like to know how much illegals who murder us pay in taxes.
    Like I blood being spilled all over the place really stinking care how much is paid in stupid freaking taxes!
    I am Dino!
    Hear me ROARRRRR!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    . IF they are illegal but their tax payments are known WHY are they still in the country? IF they are illegal why are they paying taxes of any kind and exposing themselves?

    The whole report is oxymoronic and guesswork.

    Hey Mr. Government i'm here illegally and I paid $1,050 in taxes. It's guess work but to what purpose.

    Is this a case of the the Obama administration publicly admitting they are not doing their job and are suipporting law breakers? As for $1,050 I'll take that tax bill any day. It's peanuts.

    Telling me government non performance is a good deal is blatant arrogance

    Question. If the school districts and for that matter hospitals and clincs are required to provide services why is that bill not passed to the government level that is requiring such service? if it's the schools and medical facilities themselves then how much of the tax bill to run those operations is being added to the bills and taxes paid by legal citizens?

    Seriously why are the schools and so forth not dunning the federal government and why is the federal government not billing the home country. Easy to do. Subtract from foriegn aid, add to imports as a 'tariff' all sorts of ways to regain those costs and then pay it to the schools or hospitals or clinics that incur the costs.

    Nope easier to screw over the legal citizens. Starting to sound like conspiracy to defraud.

    No Funding No Mandate.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years, 3 months ago
      as you point out, the real problem is our Federal government and our faux "leaders".. If most of us could sneak into Canada, or laughably, Mexico, and live for free and be idolized as some kind of freedom fighter with no penalities, probably many Americans would do it. But other governments are not as vote hungry as the Obama, Clinton , Sanders ménage a trois' and we would be booted out as we should be. We have seen and known the enemy and he/she is definitely us for allowing this to happen. Don't for get to vote...it may well be your last chance. Keep your powder dry.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
      They pay taxes and keep records because, in most cases, they will be sponsored in when their "anchor babies" turn 18 -- and their tax records will be checked at that time.

      This has already happened for upwards of 10 million immigrants since 1986, making this whole issue a classic case of locking the barn door after the horse was stolen.

      As for the smaller amount of taxes -- they can't get back the amounts they pay into Social Security and Medicare while illegally here, even after they're legalized.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    One other thing to keep in mind. The objective of an immigrant may vary wildly. Depending on the goal the amount they expect or will put up with to obtain the goal will vary as well.

    iLeaving aside the intentinally bent on illegal activities other than illegal entry because they deserve zero concern and maximum effort to apprehend and eject think about those who are concerned with finding a better life for themselvces and there families. The kind that will make good citizens and deserve perhaps more support than some of our own citizens who only wish to wallow in the government pig trough scarfing up slop. and leavings.

    Let the social workers take them home for supper and a shower. I'd rather give a boost to those who will work will participate as an honest citizen and do want to see their children and grandchildren successively better thier lives.

    Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

    I am very hard on looters, moochers, quitters and losers. The kind that disrupt the schools and neighborhoods and ruin life for everyone else. No problem with ejecting them. No problem with forced tubal ligation and vasectomy. No problem with putting them to work on chain gangs and if paid have it garnished to feed their responsibiities. How do they differe from any foreign invader that seeks to harm our children, our families, our country and ourselves? Sematics and an accident of birth. Parse that social workers. Work and eat don't work and don't eat. That is the trrue American way since Plymouth Rock and Jamestown.

    If your going to steal my money at least operate projects that are worth while and not just a means of expanidn gyour little socialist empires.
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  • Posted by BrettScott 8 years, 3 months ago
    Pro-illegals are framing the argument. We should be asking ourselves why is the American government advocating giving those sweet tax-paying American jobs to Mexican citizens, rather than American citizens?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      They aren't always sweet paying and many are underpaid with no medical or other backing. Many are in the close enough range to going on welfare they aren't sought after job's but why bother jobs.


      So let's use the hamburger analogy and see whhat finger points where. Three culprits. We'll call one statists and the second corporatists and the third labor leaders.

      Mom and Pop and the kids are heart broken. Soup'r'Burgers raised their rates. "Well explained the Manager the minimum wage went up and it's got to be paid for somehow. When it went up shift managers rates went up and so did the salary of the union delivery drivers and everyone else connected to the business. Plus the elderly pushed into a higher tax bracket and the high school kids got to pay taxes."

      "So what can be done?"

      "Bring down quality or quantity or the cost of raw materials."

      "Hmmm not the first two how do you reduce the third one without reducing quality."

      "Make sure they aren't union for one and the easy way to do that is over the border labor. They'll work fo $10 and no benefits and no complaints. 12 hours a day. So you need less of them . $120 and they are used to working six day weeks. $720. Times the exchange rate that's near 13,000 pesos a week. they live on one weeks pay and send near 40,000 a week home to the family. AND no complaints it's all stoop labor in the lettue and tomato fields or the butchering operations or hot and sticky baking the buns...No one will do that for $15 an hour and then pay taxes."

      I see so that brings your costs down and our costs per burger back in line.

      Exactly at home those folks make a thousand pesos a week they are estatic.

      What about the legals on the green card and so forth programs?

      They make higher wages but they are the manaers - already speak the language. The good ones we wean off one into the other system. Most just start a business at home and some got into tomato and lettuce growing brings the price down really low. Some of the stuff we use is made over the border like packets of catsup and mustard.

      Wow. America is the land of opportunity.

      Yes until the do gooders step in then ...

      Repubs are happy their business flourish

      Demos are happy, with a little luck they can get a lot extra votes and sometimes before amnesty

      Family America is happy they can now get burgers at less than a dollar.

      that's how and why it works.

      Whose losing? Those wages are are artifically raised in the case of the minimum wage and artifically lowered in the case of the illegals.

      If that didn't happen the wages and costs would find their own levels even if foreign labor and goods were imported. If no one wanted to chop cotton someone would invent a machine to do it for them. etc. etc. etc.

      In the long run and add in the extra cost of government that always results from their own tinkering with and fettering of the system adds an extra drag on the economy.

      Someone always has to pay there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
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      • Posted by BrettScott 8 years, 3 months ago
        Michael, I was being kinda sarcastic when I called the jobs 'sweet'. The government is telling us those jobs pay enough that the illegals can pay plenty of taxes and raise their families. But that only works, like you said, if their families are not in The States. That's the government favoring Mexican citizens over Americans and selling us a lie.
        If the illegals weren't allowed in, the tomatoes would rot in the fields and producers would be forced to pay enough to attract American workers. Then, the 'jobs Americans won't do' would be filled. Prices would rise accordingly and Family America would be presented with a realistic hamburger price rather than higher taxes to support illegals. I'd wager they'd be better off.
        I don't disagree with anything you described. Like you said, both parties are screwing us. It just that illegal immigration and government altruism throw off the 'invisible hand' at the expense of American citizens and that grates on me. Why do we allow it?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
          I don't however it's a voice in the wilderness. Instead I didn't by not participating same as the rigged vote system. Then I set about re-educating myself. May not change anything but I keep thinking if I say or write just the right sentence with the right words someone's kid may look over his parent's shoulder - read and be changed. If I'm real successful as many as five. Why so low? Most don't understand the English language even if they were born and educated in middle North America.
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 3 months ago
    Where does the statistic of taxes paid by illegal aliens come from? Most illegal aliens I have met and questioned pay no taxes at all. They know if they do it will identify them. Most work for cash or under the table. Most don't have social security numbers and even if they buy one to get a job they are keenly aware that filing taxes may draw attention from a government they are trying to avoid. Let's suppose they do pay taxes, they have still broken the law entering the country, working and often sending their money out of the country. If I broke the law and then stated that at least I was paying taxes I don't think that would grant me clemency.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy which, if you read the article, appears to be a nongovernmental outlet for the Obama Administration's and Democrat Party's opinions on immigration policy.

      By far, the greatest portion of the $1050 would be sales and excise taxes so, there would be no record of who pays them.

      I rewrote the summary of the half dozen reference articles and posted it here: https://medium.com/@Penseur/11-millio...

      Let me know if you think it's more clear and concise than the original. I can't edit the original because no matter how many times I've tried, I haven't been able to upgrade to Producer status. I don't know why but, the upgrade page seems inactive, it doesn't process my data or charge my card and nobody replies to my emails.

      Guess I've been rejected. Maybe the Gulch is using illegals in the back room.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        I'll give you a point for the effort which is far better than many. You are now at 2
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        • Posted by chad 8 years, 3 months ago
          I wondered if the supposed collection of taxes was based on sales and other undocumented income sources. Still the fact that they are paying taxes while breaking the law does not annul the fact that they are breaking the law.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 3 months ago
    Add to that the fact that any income taxes paid by illegal workers is refunded right back to them because they live in poverty. I have no problem with open borders. I have a problem with people who are NOT American citizens being able to get benefits such as welfare, public education, etc paid for by American citizens. And Emergency rooms should be only for emergencies. There should be triage and all non-emergency patients should be sent to a county clinic.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      How did the taxes get paid or the refund made when there is no social security number or address? It may have been paid but it was on stolen or borrowed accounts.

      My account when i signed up for the money back years was found to have three additional payers. The government sliced those amounts off for their own use. I doubt they care if the illegals keep paying

      But as far as that $1050 as a precise figure the only way it's possible is because the government isn't doing it's job.

      Personally I'd be in favor of taking those overpayments and using them for any school or medical bills, court costs, or better yet buying a legal passport from the home country and putting them on the green card list or as a minimum the Bracero Program.

      The only truth in the story is the government is a. failing to do it's job and instead is spending time attacking it's own citizens and the Constitution. No different than that gun running scam two Attorney Generals ago that's still killing people.

      The current law as regards medical treatment and has been for some decades is no medical provider or facility can turn away anywone in need of immediate treatment. must bring them to the point of being medicallys stablilzed then transferred. That includes US Citizens wh9o are indigentl What isn't paid for is because our government knows nothing about running a business. All they have to do is bill the home country. and deduct it from foreign aid type programs or add it as a tariff ha ha on goods crossing the border. As for the indigent the medical, or school, or court, or prison system only needs to bill the whichever branch and level of government has put them on the hook without permission. At the very least they can then put it on their books as an unpaid debt and use it as legitimate overhead expenses in the 'COG or Cost of Government column.

      I'm in favor of No Funding No Mandate with a provision to automatically bill the agency who made it a law or regulation.
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      • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 3 months ago
        Illegals can get work permits with assigned numbers and have taxes withheld. They give their real name and address and it is totally accepted in California and the Federal Gov't. I don't know about other states.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
          It is perfectly legal in all states and has been for decades. They need US sponsors and they have to go through the legal process, as do hundreds of thousands of them every year. Their sponsors are responsible for them while they're here and in case of pay disputes they have the protection of the government.

          However, few aliens and employers choose to go the legal route. Legal means the employer must pay at least minimum wage and collect taxes. Legal means the employee must pay taxes. Almost all aliens and employers choose to forego the legal way and save money.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
            Which means there is a way to make them legal but without doing as Wanderer stated they are still - illegal and so are their employers.

            I'm assuming that's for people you wish to bring over the border and state so in advance. How does it work for those already over the border and illegal.

            I'm rather reminded of the animal shelter where they are on a time clock to have someone find them a home.

            Question to do this wouldn't they need a home country passport?
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            • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
              No, just the Mexican national ID card, something they all have. The guest worker program for Mexican nationals requires they go through a perfunctory background check. They get official US guest worker identification once they enroll in the program.

              Those who are already here would have to find sponsors and go through the process and then, probably go back to Mexico so they could come back legally. None of the illegals I talk to have any interest, basically because they're now first class guests, who don't pay taxes, don't need driver's licenses, don't need insurance and can commit crimes with less fear of prosecution or imprisonment than we, the first class citizens. If they enroll in the program they become second class guest/citizens, who pay taxes, must get driver's licenses, must have insurance and, if they commit crimes, will be deported. Why do it?
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                Sounds like a two part discussion in Congress. A colloquy. I'd say we did as pretty good job but I'll add not everyone can get a sponsor and the cost of a passport from Mexico is equal to full months salary for most citizens. With a visa it gets you three years or more visitng rights across the border. Still a preferred method for the educated people. For the uneducated, skilled, or trained non bi-lingual it's the desert route all too often and IF they make it the choices are not all that great. Nor is the pay i depicted in my little story. Tyson's doesn't pay that much even in enlightened states like Arkansas.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
          So ......doesn't tha tmake them .....legal? Prima Facie evidence. If the feds approved they are no longer illegal in the nation. If California approved hmmmmmmm Do they get full wages and a complete water ration?
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          • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 3 months ago
            The Federal Gov't and some states turn a blind eye because they just don't care who is legal and who isn't. My point is that illegal immigrants do not contribute income taxes as the article states because they are refunded what ever they pay in.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
              You have to read it a bit slower. It's in the wording. The $1050 is ALL kinds of taxes, including sales and excise taxes. If an illegal alien buys $10,000 worth of merchandise in a year, he or she pays maybe $600 in state and local sales taxes. If he or she buys 400 gallons of gasoline, depending on the state, he or she pays around $150 in state and federal taxes. It's not hard for an illegal to rack up $1050 in taxes without ever paying any income tax at all.

              And, you're right, those who are organized and smart enough to file claim a dozen dependents and not only get all their income tax refunded but, also get the Earned Income Tax Credit.

              Simply put, they are the first class aliens and we are the second class citizens.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                Brilliant. The last line. Brilliant!

                So solution is sent their best north to improve the USA and the rest of us go south to retain our buying power and go sailing.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
              Yes getting back to that point I didn't realize it was so open. No wonder Hillary thnks she can get away with anything. She's a Fed She can. My GF asked about goinng north and i seriously asked her why? what for? You can't afford to live up there and my money would immediately lose a third to half it's value. Anything they have you want I can order from Amazon.Besides it's not safe.
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  • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 3 months ago
    Sounds similar to how helmet laws are "justified".
    Because other bad laws and policies are on the books, we can then take other freedoms away.

    Perhaps persuasive from a practical point of view in some cases, but not very palatable.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      The easy way is say fine don't wear a helmet but also don't ask for any public supoort when imjured and allow the insurance companies to deny compensation or raise the rates.

      Freedom is not provided at the expense of others. That's not freedom that's plain old ordinary garden variety theft. Politicians who feel free to steal from those who produce need to remember that. They are nothing more than criminals.
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    Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    From someone who knows about hiring illegal aliens, I can tell you that they pay social security taxes, medicare taxes, unemployment taxes, but not a lot of straight up income taxes. They also pay sales taxes, DMV fees if they have cars, and property taxes through their landlords. They also work harder than white american MTV people, and certainly harder than most entitled black people.

    Get rid of illegal aliens and our economy will crash. The movie "a day without mexicans" didnt do justice to how much our economy depends on mexicans (also other hispanics).

    Take away all the cheap chinese imports and our economy will be in the deepest depression imaginable. Sure, manufacturing could return to the USA, but prices would go so high the americans couldnt afford to buy the goods that we made.

    The country has been living on the paper money printed by the federal reserve and used to buy goods from china (they are pretty stupid to actually take the paper money)= actually). Implement getting rid of illegal aliens, placing big tariffs and instituting $15 minimum wages will be the death of the USA.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
      The $1050 includes ALL taxes of EVERY type paid by illegal aliens. It is an average so, obviously some illegals pay much more (in income, Medicare, Social Security and unemployment taxes, etc.) and some pay very little or nothing.

      I didn't include SNAP which, since most illegals declare little or no income, could be costing us as much as $194 per month per illegal or, $25.6 billion more per year.

      The free flow of labor is one thing, the free flow of benefits is quite another. Under current conditions they are incompatible propositions and will cause the system to crash.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
        anything we GIVE illegal aliens , like minimum wage, SNAP, free health care is really through our own stupidity. I think that one should be at least a citizen before getting those things. They shouldnt pay SS or medicare. There could be a pay as your go health care/national security/local security package that would be required to get a work permit, but minimum wages wouldnt apply either.

        This would stop people from just jumping the border fence in the hopes of getting all sorts of goodies.

        We offer them high minimum wages, free schooling, free medical care for them and their babies, SNAP, all sorts of housing allowances, and then we wonder why they sneak across the border. We as a country are just stupid in this regard.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
          In all polls I know of, the vast majority of US citizens vote to stop all the giveaways and a solid majority (usually over 65%) vote to stop illegal immigration. It's our politicians who vote otherwise.

          I attended a number of Trump events during the primary season and, talking to people in the audiences, this was the issue that won Trump more votes and allegiance than any other, by far.

          People understood "the wall" although, they didn't understand why the wall, without the threat of lethal force, won't work.

          People didn't buy Cruz's program to force most illegals to self deport by stopping all benefits and imposing penalties on all companies that employ illegals. Whether they didn't understand the idea or, didn't trust Cruz to follow through or didn't think he could get Congress to follow through is unclear to me.

          However, it appears to me we as a country aren't stupid, our politicians simply don't care what we want or think.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
            but we vote them in and believe their campaign lies. Like Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and even Brian Sandoval here in Nevada (a true turncoat). Obama told us no more war, and here we are still at war in two places and he wants to go into Syria.
            What convinced me on Trump, although when in office he might not be able to get congress to go along, is watching the town hall with Anderson Cooper, where his family was there and Cooper grilled them. His kids are amazing and I say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
            Trump is the best of the lot this year by far. Hildebeast will destroy us.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
              Some of us vote for people who keep their promises but, are in such a small minority they can barely hold their ground and, almost never actually win.

              Are you a hunter? Ever heard of a stalking horse?

              As I told most of the Trump supporters I know well (not the ones I met at his rallies who, would probably not have reacted well) given the level of disappointment in Barack Obama and the level of antipathy for Hillary Clinton, there's only one thing I could think of that could ensure she would win this election - if Donald Trump hijacked the Republican primary. Any of the other 16 Republican candidates would have beat Clinton, some by narrow margins, some by double digits but, Donald Trump will lose.

              Who did Donald Trump call the night before announcing his candidacy? Bill Clinton. That doesn't mean it was all a plot but, his former PAC Communications Manager quit because he never planned to win and, when she saw he might actually win the primaries, she was aghast at being part of a fraud.

              She may have been lying, although she had no reason to, she wasn't fired. But, whether it was a left wing plot or not, it appears Hillary will beat Trump by a large popular vote margin and an even larger Electoral College margin.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
                I am disgusted with the whole thing. I am so done with this government. I disagree that the other republican candidates would have beaten Hillary. There are too many people who want guvewsys
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