Analysis: Clinton's new tuition plan has unexpected ramifications
More ways to spend YOUR money, and then come back for more..and more...and increase the whole entitlement base and expectations of a nanny state to take care of everything. Unless you go to MIT or Harvard, and don't use your money for the great summer party.. you should be able to manage it. More giveaways..
The "problem" is it's hard for the average middle-class person to stop working for four years and focus on undergrad. I did it, and in retrospect except for the intense last year of it, it was a colossal waste of my parents' money. A few years later I did my master's part time, paid for by a company and by teaching analog electronics. That was much more beneficial because I was getting knowledge for coursework and related paid work at the same time, and I was not blowing through money by living a reasonable lifestyle while not working.
If gov't must "do something" I say improve the public high schools, which are already gov't-run, so that they provide marketable skills.
To me paying for people's schooling is just one more good cause the gov't should not be taking up.
That said, I do know highly skilled techs, and engineers that went through the motions learning nothing, but this is the exception not the rule.
Yes. This is my experience exactly! The exceptions are striking, almost making me wonder if people are lying about their credentials or secretly got a degree but maintain an image of a scruffy autodidact.
I was not saying higher education is unnecessary. The thing that chaps my ass is when people spend huge amounts of money on it just because it's the next step without really thinking it through, and then present that as a society problem. (but I did what I was told?) I did this to some extent in undergrad. I got employers to pay for my masters, and that benefited me by saving money but also by doing real-world work at the same time and by making me be more deliberate about it. Being deliberate and not just doing what you're told is key.
I think it could be because it's primary purpose is video, so it attracts semi-literate people more than comments in a news article.
I think OJT is way under-rated. I got more out of my master's than undergrad mainly because I had worked for a few years before the masters. If I had never heard of our current college system and someone explained it, I'd think it's crazy: "So for four years of your adult life you go live a modest middle-class life but do hardly any paid work and focus just on education. Your parents pay for it and/or you borrow against future earnings. Of course future earnings aren't collateral, so the loan has to be subsidized and under special laws that make it not bankruptable." It's been going on long enough, though, that it sounds normal.
Unless gov't props it up, I think the current system will change in the next few years. My kids are 12 years away from this. We're fortunate to be able to blow money on this, but I want to be careful that there for first adult experience not be on how to blow money. I'd rather them buy a house or execute a well-thought-out business plan with the money than just mindless go to college b/c it's the next step in life.
It's like the OWS people said, "I just did what I was told." They said that still not having figured out doing what other people tell you without question is a very bad idea. Things get done when you move fast, break things, and do things the world isn't quite ready for, stuff people might tell you not to do.
Sorry for the long rant. I just think we have such a bad system. I believe in formal education, and I believe in gov't subsidizing it in a reasonable way for the poor, but NOT in this model where you don't analyze the cost/benefits under the mantra "but it's education," as if that phrase means turn off your business judgment.
Stop inflating the currency by repealing the federal Reserve Act, and return the means to pay for education to people by repealing the 16th amendment and closing the IRS. No government funding for college education loans will lower the tuition cost dramatically and stop enslaving the young to banksters. Of course that would also increase competition in the slightly free market, and that is the opposite of the goals of the corruptocracy.
Problem is that power corrupts, and the power that is wielded by the president today (extra-constritutional, power) is far too much to entrust to anyone.
I read an interesting article today that comments on this specific problem:
http://www.libertyunbound.com/node/1575
People are going to school, because to be in that crowd, they need a college degree, otherwise, they might really have to work for a living. The fact is, everyone has to work for a living, and the work some can do it more marketable than the work others can do. So sorry, why don't you go complain about professional athletes salaries progressive puke.
To make it easier for the majority, lazy, unmeasured(able?) fine and liberal arts majors, the progressives want to pay for college, and produce even more pretend-educated, non-contributing, over-earning people in our welfare state, that will then complain about income-inequality without looking at those in the rest of the world.
This is precisely what Margret Thatcher meant when she said, the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money.
If The Donald had a hint of a strategy, he would take the other side of this argument, and say, "Indeed, college is too expensive, and we have inadequate students in the curricula that contributes and earns. The problem is the cost of education, not the availability of money for it. We do not need to pour gasoline on this fire. I propose:
1. revising the college accreditation standards to simplify the requirements and improve competition. Why can't someone learn nursing in a 200 person school?
2. Linking federal funding to metrics on graduate earnings and draw from the job market. If STEM pays, STEM gets funded.
3. Provide funding to trade schools equivalently. We need all kinds of worker, and the country values diversity. Not everyone will be happy as a doctor, lawyer or engineer, but everyone needs a home, transportation and electricity.
Yes, school is affordable. How can it possible cost $40,000 for 510 hrs of teaching a year? With just 10 students per class, this is $780/hr. Absolutely ridiculous cost. Just ridiculous. Screaming waste, fraud and inefficiency. Let me show you how some real business competition drives efficiency!"
Still think there is a lot more inefficiency in higher education than real companies.
I'd like to start an engineering school, just for undergraduates to focus on engineering fundamentals, good communication skills, ethics and discipline. I don't see how 15 professors, an assistant or two and two people in finance can't teach 200-300 undergraduates engineering. At $20K/year, this is $4-6M/year, plenty for salaries and rent. Anyone can come up with $20K/yr.
$80K degree is a problem? Cars cost that much. I don't think so. ROI is the simple measure. You can't ask someone to teach what they know for less than they can make if they practice. I don't see how we can expect someone to be a contributing engineer with less than such a commitment.
What do you think is required to teach the "shoulders of giants"?
The government has already dropped us to 25rh in the world in test scores, they need to get out of schooling. Hillary is also for the UN tax. She won't be happy until until the middle class has nothing left, and needs to join those depending on government for help. She does not value actually educating the next generation, they are to be dumbed down, equalized to undeveloped nation status, or exterminated with vaccines to reduce population.
I wouldn't go to college today anywhere in the US. And I'd think twice about hiring anybody who did.
She is not the president and even if she were this give-a-way program would not fly.