Do we have a Midas Mulligan here yet?

Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I'm ready to set up shop, but I'm not going to do so until I know where we are going to do so. If we had a Midas Mulligan or even a real estate tycoon from which we could buy land, then I don't think it would take long for a community to grow once it nucleated.

There was a mountain community up near the Tennessee/Kentucky border that went upside down financially before advertising on Rush Limbaugh about a year ago, for example.


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  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 8 months ago
    Recall that the best defense of the Gulch in the novel was its isolation, and the basic, fundamental incompetence of the government's institutions. But that was in an era before look-down satellites.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      Look elsewhere in the Midas Mulligan post. I just posted something about how to make an invisibility cloak to deal with the satellites.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 8 months ago
        Ah. What you describe is actually far more sophisticated than Ayn Rand's mirage-in-the-sky.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
          In today's day and age, it would have to be more complicated that what AR envisioned because the technology to find us is that much better, too.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 8 months ago
            Five years ago I wrote a series of essays on the Conservapedia site, giving my best sketch of what the Gulch might have looked like, and how the characters might have acted--in ways the book did not describe fully, that is.

            I identified four plot elements that fell under the heading of "science fiction." They were:

            1. The electrostatic motor John Galt invented in his last days at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, and used to good effect to build a power plant for the Gulch and a mini-power plant for his garret apartment in New York.

            2. Rearden Metal, which I described as a substitutional alloy of iron and copper, with carbon thrown in for hardness.

            3. Project Xylophone. I discovered a project, at Leeds University in Scotland, for producing a beam of coherent sound. The inventors saw this as the basis of a new, ever-faster computer. I recognized it as the basis for a sonicator of devastating power--exactly what the Xylophone was supposed to be.

            4. The "refractor ray screen." I saw it as a mirage in the sky. Obviously you found an improvement on that.

            By the way: hiding this vast camp in nearly circular valley would be essential. That would defeat cellular telephones. Now: how do you jam a satellite telephone? Or are satphones still viable? Seems to me they are not anymore.
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
              I have a power solution that is not as elegant as Galt, but it will work fine for starters. I know from whom to buy this before we leave. I could make it, but it wouldn't be different enough (and importantly cheap enough) to make it worth trying to make in the Gulch.

              As for materials, we might need a Ragnar's help in procurement. I can put in a small scale metals, ceramics, and polymers manufacturing capability, but getting the materials could be an issue depending on our location. I would need to procure a few pieces of equipment on EBay before the exit. I know what I would need for that. That part isn't a huge concern for me.

              Project Xylophone isn't particularly necessary. I do have the ability to do very small scale sonication for making nanomaterials. Fortunately all the stuff that I would have to take to do chemicals and materials R&D & production is MINE. Some of what I have isn't mine, but that doesn't need to come with us.

              As for computers, everybody brings a laptop and gets it sanitized to not leave an electronic trace when communicating with the outside world. I need serious help here. I do have a few routers and a lot of computers we could take, but how to communicate wirelessly when in a remote location, I don't have that figured out yet and would appreciate help here.

              The old satellite phones have been disabled. I am not aware, but I am sure that the military has replaced them with something better.

              When I mentioned the invisibility cloak, there are two groups working on such a concept, but this is research, not something ready for deployment yet.
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              • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 8 months ago
                I see I should have explained. Project Xylophone was not one of John Galt's projects, nor one of Henry Rearden's projects. It was Floyd Ferris' project, borrowing heavily on Robert Stadler's cosmic-ray theory. I don't even know, BTW, whether AS3 will even feature Project X.

                Ragnar might consider building such a coherent-sound weapon. But he got along just fine without one, using some kind of long-range naval gun.

                I encourage you to read this "chapter" I wrote on a possible electrostatic motor. Turns out someone's been working on one. It is simple in concept, but difficult to implement. It would take a true engineering genius like John Galt to figure out how to make it practical.

                http://www.conservapedia.com/John_Galt#T...

                (BTW: in the modern "Man in the Iron Mask" movie, Athos the Musketeer, I believe, says, "I'm a genius, not an engineer." In France, that reads "Je suis genie, pas ingenieur." It's a pun--because the word for "engineering" as a discipline is "genie," the same word they use for the English concept of "genius."
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                • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
                  I know that ProjectX was a Floyd Ferris project and what it was for. As for coherent sound, phononics is actually a pretty hot area right now and, like most things, has the capacity for good or ill.

                  AS3 without ProjectX would not be AS3. ProjectX is absolutely critical. If I had anything to say about casting, I would have recommended to keep Armin Shimerman (Quark from Star Trek Deep Space Nine) as Floyd Ferris. He was perfect for that diabolical role and was probably the best actor in AS1.
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                  • Posted by Temlakos 11 years, 8 months ago
                    I must admit I couldn't prove this. But it looked to me as though AS3 would say the SSI stole Robert Stadler's ideas in building Floyd Ferris' torture chamber, not the weapon of mass coercion and destruction that is Project X.

                    Here's my take on Project X.

                    http://www.conservapedia.com/Project_X

                    Note: I actually cut out a disk, held it on a map of the Midwest, and worked out the logical center of the circle of influence for Project X: Dunkertown, Iowa. That is my candidate for Harmony City.
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                    • Posted by ShruginArgentina 11 years, 8 months ago
                      Imagine my surprise when, as a seventeen year old high school senior reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time, I discovered that my last name as well as the name of my hometown and state appear in the same sentence of the novel :-).
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                      • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
                        Are you perhaps an heiress to a copper fortune? If so, we should talk. I am a materials scientist, although copper is definitely not specialty.
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                        • Posted by ShruginArgentina 11 years, 8 months ago
                          If I am an heiress to anything I've had a sex change operation without my knowledge and definitely against my will. ;-).

                          I actually "shrugged" when I was 19 and I decided to "Go Galt" in Argentina in 2010, after moving to Buenos Aires in 2006.

                          The decision to move to Argentina in 2006 was not predicated on anything that was happening in the USA at that time. The decision to "Go Galt" in Argentina was based entirely on what has happened in the USA since 2008.

                          The most important "material" here is fertile earth.

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  • Posted by terrycan 11 years, 8 months ago
    I am a CNC machinist. There will be work for me in the Gulch. All payments will be in Silver and Gold. I know an Industrial Electrician who is interested. Anybody know a good engineers?
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago
      As a potter, I'm certain to find a place for my wheel and kiln. I'll dig my clay from the floor of the valley and process it with mills I'll move to the valley. All I need is a address.
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      • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
        Thanks for reminding me. I'll need a ball mill to take to the Valley. As for the kiln, I have a couple of small ones, but that is something on my to get list before making a clean break with the world.
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        • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago
          I have a couple Skutt Kilns and a 40cf downdraft gas kiln. Other goodies I'll be bringing can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP4qRIe4... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu437UU9... the gas kiln pics are not online anymore. I'll have to get them up sometime.

          This was my studio when the IRS began hassling me and I decided it was time to shrug and went on strike. I locked the door and moved the equipment home and now I only make pieces for me and as gifts to special friends. I went from producing 15,000 pieces a year to now making a few hundred.

          Not to long ago I made a 68 piece set of dishes and servers for a friend in Reno NV. It was carried to them by their parents (my next door neighbor). The entire order if I was selling it would have been around $3000, but I made it for them for the cost of production - and the IRS got $0.00.

          I will not work at any productive job that will result in ANY tax dollars going to support a government that's become oppressive to the people. Under BO, this is as close to living under 10-289 as I ever thought we would be.

          I'm on strike.
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          • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
            Thanks for sharing, stargeezer. In that case, I won't have to get any kilns on my way out of here. I can help with the gas part of the gas kilns. Many of us have our stories of how we have shrugged. Yours is one of the more interesting I have heard. Do you have reason to believe the direct intervention by the IRS to be politically motivated?
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            • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago
              I'm not factually certain, but I do suspect a relationship. 2008 and on was the first time I was political vocal. 2010 began a period where I was extremely vocal with my opposition to BO online. The only things that were questioned were my donations to my church and our Tea Party group. It really was not excessive, just proof of the donations. The problems were all from "higher up" where my income was questioned and they were certain I was hiding income (I wasn't) they felt that I could not do what I did - they were wrong. Then there was a typo in their office that multiplied my income 10 times and demanded immediate payment of $100,000 that would be refunded if it was proved I didn't actually owe it.

              This all happened as I was rereading how Reardon received notice of his accounts being frozen and sudden taxes being owed - on money that was not his.

              In the end they admitted that I truly did not owe money, that my tax payments actually exceeded the amount I owed, but no refund would be made - that one made me laugh. If I'd owed them $10 they would have hounded me to the grave.

              I forgot to add that the whole ordeal took over a year to finally clear up. I can't express just how miserable we were during this period. It took the joy out of our lives.
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              • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
                That's quite a story. You should probably contact Jay Sekulow. He is the lawyer seeking damages against the government for Tea Party persecutions. In general, I am not a big fan of lawyers other than patent lawyers, but any way that we can drain the federal leviathan's cash is Ragnar-like retribution. To my knowledge, the only Tea Party persecution in my county came from the Republican Party of Florida. The then-president of the RPOF is now in jail and his boss, then Governor Charlie Crist, is now running for governor as a Democrat. That persecution was primarily defamatory, but our county's duly elected representative to the RPOF was kicked out for calling A = A on Jim Greer, the now jailed, then president of the RPOF. Greer saw to it that several Tea Party incumbents at the county and state rep level were primaried and funded by RPOF money. That was the end of my ever donating to the Republican Party. They view people like us as the enemy.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      There are several engineers here, including me.
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      • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago
        We would be flush with engineers of every stripe. I've got degrees in mechanical and electrical engineering and picked up a civil engineering degree in the early 90's from UTEP as I was building a contracting firm. The federal guys liked to see a degree so I gave them one.
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  • Posted by blainebrazzle 11 years, 8 months ago
    Blue Seed, an oceanic version, is the closet I have seen. The whole seasteding isn't a private or hidden as Galt's Gulch...which is problematic, but with the right tech it might be made invisible or undetectable.
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    • Posted by shivas 11 years, 8 months ago
      I'm pretty certain that the concept of private or hidden went out the window when the geosynchronous satellite system appeared overhead.

      I remember several calls by Libertarians to take over New Hampshire or Delaware by moving there en mass and taking over the political system. I also recall some suggestions for the same in small Central American countries. None has ever come to pass.

      I have sometimes imagined Galt's Gulch would come in the form of an island a la Thomas Perry's novel "Island". An interesting read, a guy scuttles a couple of old ships on a sandbar that's only above water at low tide out in an unclaimed area in the Caribbean. Voila, he created his own country, or a potential Galt's Gulch.
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      • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
        Check out the new post on "Buying a private island" and find the link to the idea of a "New Utopia". Building on an underwater Caribbean ridge is somewhat appealing. Also interesting is Robbie's post recently called "Atlantis found?"
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 11 years, 8 months ago
    Many of the new technologies are not being created in research labs. But in normal peoples homes or basements and garages. The following is a list You Tube video sites where hobbies are will be the new tech: Overunity.com,- energy devices of all sorts,
    Lasersaber- Atmospheric energy devices, Crystal Batteries, Pulse Motors, Magnetic Motors & Capacitor driven machines,
    The Art of Weapons- 14 yr. old Aussie boy Plastic Slingshots from molten plastics, Crude aluminum smelter, Sand casting molds, Annealing old files to make knives.
    Adafruit Industries- Raspberry Pi DIY micro computer & plug modules,
    Coil Guns- DIY electromagnetic rail guns,
    Gauss Guns- electromagnetic rail guns; this is where are next John Galts are.
    All this material is available from Ebay and other websites.
    Electrostatics will provide not only power but also a Cloaking Field. From Adafruit out of New York you can purchase components to build an almost palm size computer for under a hundred dollars. Build your own batteries composed of molten crystal salts, copper pipe and magnesium rod.
    there are steel products like Rearden Metal already on the market. Soon 3D Printers will be able to use spools of same said metal wire to create useful products. I plan to build some crystal batteries in a few months using a different organic mineral salts. Will definitely build the Strawberry Pi computer once I familiarize myself with the manual I downloaded from the internet.
    Please go to Youtube and watch these videos they'll blow your mind.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      Thanks, Owlsrayne. My group can already print tin metal for DIY 3D-printed circuit boards. Working with higher melting point metals is a research project I recently started. I just bought a laser for the laser sintering aspect of that, but it's not here yet from Hong Kong.
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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 8 months ago
    This is the last known communication on the fate of Midas:

    "You are hereby notified that Colorado tract of land #183498676938475983671-39048-80729874, a.k.a. "the Valley", has been declared a protected ecosystem. In order to facilitate said protection, ownership records have been transferred to the Federal government by Executive Declaration of Taking under case "US Government v. #183498676938475983671-39048-80729874". The former deed holder of said "Valley" may sue in Federal court at his own expense for compensation in accordance with his fully protected rights under the Constitution. Said "Valley", having always belonged to all mankind, is further declared in accordance with the Antiquities Act of 1906 and therefore progressive and good to be a National Monument by presidential decree. Said Valley is designated as a US Forest Service Roadless Area in anticipation of Congressional designation under the Federal Wilderness Act of 1964. All mining, road building, motorized vehicles, airplanes descending through ray screens and other human artifacts are hereby prohibited. Into the indefinite future, said Valley is to remain 'an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.' This area of wilderness is further defined under the Act as 'an area of undeveloped Federal land retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent improvements or human habitation, which is protected and managed so as to preserve its natural conditions and which ... generally appears to have been affected primarily by the forces of nature, with the imprint of man's work substantially unnoticeable'. Said Wilderness is therefore to be entered by primitive hiking only. Furthermore, the bank formerly belonging to former Valley deed holder, one Midas Mulligan, has been bailed out of private control under agreement voluntarily signed by said former deed holder due to recently discovered transgressions of Federal banking regulations. Said banker, having causing risk to the American people, is pronounced to have agreed to remain silent, which agreement is fully in accordance with full recognition of Constitutional First Amendment rights."
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
      We need to put ewv's comment into the script of a new movie Atlas Shrugged: Now Non-Fiction.
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      • Posted by ewv 11 years, 8 months ago
        I can't take credit for it. It's not fiction. All of it is based on existing laws and government policy. You couldn't dream these things up on your own. If Ayn Rand had included it in Atlas Shrugged it would have been considered too unbelievable for fiction. A lot of people today still don't know it is happening.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 8 months ago
          I was aware of each of those laws and policies, but the interweaving of fact and Midas Mulligan and the exact land plot number was a story well told.
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          • Posted by ewv 11 years, 8 months ago
            Most people aren't aware of them, but those in rural areas have to live under the constant assault of that agenda in a story all too real. The preservationists have imaged and mapped every square foot of rural America with satellite and airplane photography in addition to on the ground trespass, are tracking development and land use on private land, and have for decades been compiling hit lists for areas they want the government to take over in the name of one excuse or another, which is just about all of it. The idea that anyone can move off into a remote natural area to be safe from government is a myth. For most of it, it only brings more attention to you for being an 'evil developer threat' in a 'pristine' area. The Nature Conservancy is doing the same thing internationally for international Biosphere reserves, etc. Only they know if they are now tracking all of it worldwide to the degree of scope and intensity it is happening here.
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