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Sun Has Likely Entered New Evolutionary Phase, Say Astronomers

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago to Science
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Gee, the Sun may neutralize the whole global warming thing.According to this, as it begins to lose or steady it's rotation, the sunspot activity stops and the heat drops by a small amount, offsetting the "evil global warming".
SOURCE URL: http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2016/06/27/sun-has-likely-entered-new-evolutionary-phase-say-astronomers/#25df4e73278e


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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
    HAHAHAH...it's called a "Grand Solar Minimum" and happens about every 400 years...the last one was called the Maunder Minimum...the Maunders noted the lack of sunspots during that period.
    Regular solar minimums happen about ever 100 years and the last one is called "The Dalton Minimum".

    Not so new now is it...what will they come up with next?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      I don't know, solar time is much longer than anything we can deal with, and the minimums are a reduction in output. They were talking about a long term change that will last for a long, long time. They also said the sunspot issue would disappear, which would mean no more solar flare threats. Not a bad forecast, especially if it kills off the climate change crowds...
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
        Right now we're looking at 30 years...15 in and 15 out, give or take...like the Dalton M but if we're in for the GSM...we're lookin at 70 years.

        What we all have to get is that we do not sit still in the galaxcy nor the universe...we follow our sun at some 400 thousand miles per hour and as we progress on our cyclical path we are effected and influenced by different things. There seems to be an electromagnetic connection between things and let's say one of those tride and true connections dies, explodes or evolves...that would mean our cycle would change. A possible example like this would be Magnetic Reversals...we used to have them on a regular basis...but it seems that cycle died...haven't had one in 780K years when they used to be every 250K...(we get many different figures here...this one is from the Foundation for the study of cycles)
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          I had seen an article just recently that says there was now believed to have been 2 magnetic poles at one point, which added tot he confusion of the flip timing.
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
            If they do flip and our system is Alternating current then the earth would begin to rotate in the other direction which relates to something in the Mayan tablets/calendar's that stated the 3 days of no time and then the sun would rise in the West.
            But, I feel it's more likely the poles are just wandering and will go back to where they came from. Right now it seems they will meet just above Australia around the anomaly near there.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
        The other thing that should be considered is...where were we located in the Galaxy and the local universe 26K years ago...assuming there is such a thing as a cosmic year and if so, what electromagnetic influence may play a part in what these scientist are theorizing about.
        Scientist generally do not consider long time cycles and only acknowledge short term cycles.
        Of course...how the hell would we know everything going on not just on earth but in the solar system, 26K years ago...we only have the Mayan Calendar to go by.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          Carl, here is a report to echo your minimum:

          http://nypost.com/2016/06/29/why-the-...
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
            Exactly, although we have lived through these cycles, today's society, culture and stupid governments will make it worse.
            Just last week we were discussing on S0 fly on the wall that there is some evidence to suggest that the rapid weakening of our shields and Magnetic Pole wandering may not have anything to do with the minimum. That is why I stress that we should really investigate what might have happened 26K years ago. The other factor might just be a physical or quantum connection to our sun/solar system may have been destroyed, moved or blocked...thereby changing the nature of these cycles. The Mayan's did suggest that "Things would happen that have never happened before and never will again. Does that not sound like something to do with Cycles?
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
          The cycle is the precession of the equinoxes. 26,000 is close
          12 x 2160 years = 25,920 years
          The earth shifts 1degree every 72 years.
          These numbers the sequence of numbers in the precessional code were represented in ancient monolithic sites located all around the world.
          Scientists should consider the "very conscious"
          planning the ancient Mayans , the Sumerians , the culture that built Gobekli tepe in Turkey at least 10,500 years BC ,Stonehenge, Angkor Wat and on and on.
          The big question is how did they know?
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
            Correct...as to how did they know...it seems they were smarter and more openly observant than today's scientist.
            My point is that we have some information as to what happened 12-13K years ago but not much about 25-26K years ago...I think it is there that we may find some answers.
            One thing I am dead sure about is that these cosmic events play upon the human brain and those most unaware. (not fully conscious), will suffer the worst of it.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
              There seems to be a lot of good evidence to support a large bunch of material is missing, such as the maps used by Peri Reis to make the world map...It seems that there is a huge amount of history and material that has been around (especially from Alexandria time) and may or may not exist today.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
              Today's scientist have been taught often times to not rock the boat. Ex... A scientist who questions the man made global warming or climate change.
              A lot of motivation for disproving a new concept is $$$. And who is funding the research.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
            Exactly, BTW I got the books you referenced, I have the first one on tap and the 2nd will be next.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
              I would enjoy hearing your feedback.
              It is an amazing knowledge of the earths movement in a truly long term cycle understood thousands of years ago.
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
                Just the first hour has been really interestingwith his discussion of logntitude. He has not mentioned it yet, but that question, with the maps, made me think of the Anythara (not sure spelling) calculator, found off an island in the Mediterranean and is said to be so exquisit and detailed it is beyond the capability of that time, so was this a device from a lost civilization and maybe the chronometer that was needed to make the maps so accurate?
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                • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 9 months ago
                  https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

                  The Antikythera mechanism, or computer.
                  It was a computer, mechanical, for showing positions of stars and planets.
                  Nothing about it was beyond the manufacturing capacity of the Greeks at the time.
                  The astonishing thing about it is the idea that such a device could be used for intellectual and practical purposes, This idea was almost non-existent till about the 18th C.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
        The sun will do what the physical laws has it do.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 9 months ago
          It is more like what physical laws describe it as doing. Physical laws are mental models or descriptions as to how physical processes proceed and do not make them proceed. They proceed by whatever properties the existing stuff have. Those properties are independent of whatever minds believe they are and act a-consciously. Even, what one believes to be a conscious act to make something happen, does not happen because a brain has a property of consciousness. Consciousness is aware of the action and might give the idea of having been the cause of the action, but the properties of all the matter in the body are just doing what they do within certain ranges of action with respect some high order inhibitory mental states in the brain. There is some indication, in psychology for example, that the body begins an action before a person becomes aware of choosing to act, kind of faking you into believing that you choose the action at the time you become aware of it. It isn't just an I thought of doing that and decided to do it at that instant. Try telling or thinking to move a finger. It will not move just by thinking it will move, but only when it moves will it move. It is done subconsciously and not by being aware of the process while it is being done, i.e., not by consciously moving the finger. It is kind of a conscious giving permission for the brain to move the finger.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
            Very nice description and clarification.
            The sun will be until it isn't.
            Tomorrow will always be different from the present.
            The only thing we know is what it has done. Projections from historical records are better than flipping a coin but the Dynamo called the sun has a lifecycle like most things . On this planet we have gone from being an ice ball to balmy to ice ball and back all caused by things out of any humans control.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 9 months ago
              Existence isn't necessarily out of human control but rather out of control of thought as a causative agent. That does not mean that thoughts cannot be used to guide ones physical actions, but rather that thought such as mathematics and all other concepts cannot be reified. They exist not as what they refer to in objective reality, but rather as complex electrical and chemical ensemble patterns. Those who try to reify mind stuff live in fantasy worlds.
              Humans do cause many differences in natural world that would otherwise have happened some other so called natural way. That is why human actions are called artificial as opposed to natural actions though in reality all actions are natural because humans are part of the natural world and not some kind of pestilence needing to be exterminated. If there is a big change in the sun's activity, humans will most likely find a work around solution and not just whine and lay down and die like those who see huge and horrible climate change with everyone giving up and dying.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
    Sun behavior is the reason the Progressive Movement fascist control freaks changed "global warming" to "climate change."
    That way, any change of weather will be all our faults.
    Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!
    And now here comes Big Brother's collection plate!
    Sacrifice! Give until it hurts!
    Buy your way out from sin!
    (Ancient Greeks called sin "pollution," by the way).
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 9 months ago
    Astronomers have long considered the Sun to be a variable star. There are multiple cycles that have been recorded over the past few centuries and correlations with other celestial phenomena have been sought. Some of the cycles are linked to planetary conjunctions which suggest that the combined gravitational fields influence the geometry and dynamics of the burning layer. This is an exceptionally complex process and is quite difficult to model but the argument seems sound.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      Well, from what I read, that appears to heave been rethought some, to make it more mainstream, once it exits the magnetic braking stage, and then steady outs for a long time to come..
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 9 months ago
    Oh, but the UN does not care if it is real, as long as people believe climate change is real, and they can use it co control them. Also, the Democrat platform is set to include a no questioning of global warming under threat of prosecution plank. It is all right out of Hitler's tactics.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 9 months ago
    How long does it take a person to learn not to worry about a thing of which they have no control, and will not be able to control in the future? Be aware? Sure. Worry or fret? Nah.

    Now, comet collisions are a different animal. At least with that there is the possibility that something can be done. It's degree of difficulty is somewhat greater than getting rid of the Clintons, but at least possible.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
    Wow High school science and the sun spot theory resurfaces. I wondered how the gummint was going to get out from under that part of the crushing debt load.
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