Forced Medical Treatment This Friday

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Well, SB277 takes effect here in California this Friday and children will be forced to receive 69 vaccinations before they turn 18. You might hear about this in other states on the news when a whole bunch of families first learn of this upon schools opening back up for the fall.

This is going to get interesting. Doctors have been removed completely from the medical decision process, replaced by lawmakers. But, it's ok, because it's only children. So....don't worry about it.


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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
    Actually, the number should climb to 100 vaccinations in short order, since the lawmakers are receiving big checks from the pharmaceutical companies. The law was written to allow lawmakers to expand their new schedule as they see fit. First one added was Gardasil for boys, right after the law was passed. Gardasil for boys...haha....
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    • Posted by lrshultis 10 years, 3 months ago
      Human papillomavirus actually is related to both female genital cancers and for many penile cancers, so the 'haha' may not be so funny. I don't know if it would be better to go back to the old days of the 1940s and 1950s. I started school in 1946 and there were two vaccinations: diphtheria and smallpox. Nothing more until Salk vaccine in the late 1950s which was not mandatory at the time. Lots of horrible results from measles, mumps, chickenpox, polio, and other childhood and adult diseases. Whether there is over vaccination or not is whether a large number of dropouts would cause too many injuries and deaths. I would guess that people would go with more disease just as they go with other fear reactions such as giving up individual rights when frightened by a shooting. A tragic case was the 20 seven and younger children that were killed by a gunman, but that is the average number of children in that age group who are killed a week by auto related accidents. No one goes crazy about reducing individual rights to get rid automobiles. Some institutions got government to require car seats and possibly bicycle helmets and maybe lectures in school about crossing and playing in streets.
      As for not vaccinating, would you be OK with quarantining those with certain diseases as they did when I was young? Although that would interfere with those who would have exposure parties for some of the diseases.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 3 months ago
    Is one of them an anti-socialist vaccine? In that case the ends justifies the means, and I'd let 'er rip. Otherwise it is time for a lawsuit, and court order stopping the vaccinations.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 3 months ago
    Just for argument sake, let's say these vaccinations are beneficial...does it Really make any sense at all to give multiple vaccinations at One time starting from the moment one leaves to womb. I think not...It makes sense to me that doing that would overwhelm the body. The body learns from what you give it, if you give it something that supposedly protects it then the immune system is of no use and therefore is compromised. The way these vaccines work do not help the body to do anything because it allegedly does it for the body...but I seen no proof that the vaccines do anything good at all.
    Never mind the issue of Force...I would call this law...initiatory force.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 3 months ago
      No proof that vaccines do anything good at all? So where are the wards full of polio victims on ventilators? The people walking with braces and crutches because they only got a mild case of paralysis.

      And how many are dying of smallpox. Young children dying of whooping cough?
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      • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
        Polio was spread via water and feces. Cleaning up the water stops polio. Why do you think we started chlorinating public swimming pools? Why do you think America has the best backflow prevention in the world? I know...I've designed a lot of it... And, yeah...how many are dying of whooping cough? About the same amount dying of tetanus. Want to venture a guess? What to venture a guess why we can't eradicate polio in India? What does India have, infrastructure-wise, that we don't have? Want to take a guess?

        I saw a stat yesterday that I was discussing with our pediatrician just last night. About 1/5 of children in America may have zero vaccination. Zero. So..."where are the wards full of polio victims on ventilators"? Do you know what percentage of people who get polio actually show any symptoms at all? It's certainly a very complicated, horrible disease. Want to stop it? Clean up the s&^t. Want to empty 2/3 of the world's hospitals? Clean up the water.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 3 months ago
        I'm talking about modern day vaccines. What your talking about is vaccines from a time when science was a bit more responsible and not so concerned about majority shareholders...to put it nicely...today, many of those vaccines are useless. One just needs to look at unbiased statistics.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 3 months ago
    While I strongly believe that vaccinations are in the child's best interest. I am completely against the Government having anything to do with this.
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    • Posted by kddr22 10 years, 2 months ago
      As a pediatrician I strongly support this position, and having seen the old hib meningitis cases, etc that are in control only because of herd immunity there are many diseases that would ramp up in our country quickly. Polio is confined presently to areas of India Pakistan region. It is not as simple as just cleaning the water... ever watch children in a daycare share everything !!!!!!
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  • Posted by Stormi 10 years, 3 months ago
    This goes along with what the UN wants. They would give birth control to all, and then issue antidotes to only those with approval to have a child. Who knows what other cocktail meds are in those vaccines, which can be set off later. I do not trust them since Bill gates told a gathering on need to reduce population, that vaccines were the wa to go.
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  • Posted by skidance 10 years, 3 months ago
    .... "[T]hey think 'let's use force to make a better world.' "
    Better, according to whom? According to which values? Then along come the unintended--and intended--consequences.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 3 months ago
    the new fascist totalitarian state...
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    • Posted by Dobrien 10 years, 3 months ago
      Fuck off to all the fascists controllers.
      Bill Gates " If our vaccination program is effective it will result in a reduced population"
      What does that mean?
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      • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 3 months ago
        the govt elitists plan on a population they totally control...the vaccination program has been linked with the increase in autism in our youth...at current rates of increase, 1 in 2 children born in 2025 will become autistic...who grow up to be non-functional adults...if they make it to adulthood...effectively reducing the population...
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 3 months ago
    Cronyism at its best. I think Trump has tapped into the middle class resistance to cronyism that benefits the rich at the expense of everyone else. He has my vote and I hope there are more anti-establishment anti-cronyism politicians.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 3 months ago
      Damn when did you switch from Hillary Socialist to Trump Socialist?
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      • Posted by term2 10 years, 3 months ago
        I didnt. I just want the least destructive one to get into the white house. There are only two choices unfortunately. Trump is anti-establishment which is a good thing to break up some of the cronyism. If he just does that..... He will get us better relations with other countries, and if there is some real issue with Russia, he will call Putin and they will work it out like rational people. War is not good for business.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 3 months ago
    The sad thing is I think you're wrong about contributions from vaccine makers. The scientific evidence shows vaccines are a good decision. Lawmakers and voters think, "Think of how marginalized people who don't understand science or just don't have their act together. We could save their children's lives." They think people need a parent, and that parent is the gov't--- so unhealthy and wrong!

    I actually do think many people are irresponsible and could use a parent (grandparent, in this case), but I don't want it to be big brother. Then there are people like you who are responsible, intelligent, and paying attention, and just disagree with mainstream medical opinion on this for clear reasons. It's parents' natural right to make these decisions for their kids.

    So I wish you were right that it took serious campaign money to sway lawmakers to use force. The bar for what justifies gov't force is so low in people's minds that if the evidence shows it's a good idea, they think "let's use force to make a better world."
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 3 months ago
    Some .... news!
    In Malaysia, a nation with a Muslim majority, religious leaders have condemned vaccination. So devout Muslims will not vaccinate themselves or their children.
    I do not say if this is good news or bad news,
    maybe they found a passage in the Koran saying -it gives you autism.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 3 months ago
    reminds me of the central government deciding
    how many female children you can have, or cutting
    out your clitoris ... not a pleasant subject!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 3 months ago
    That's an old story. What kind of medical system has been pulling that for half a century? Only difference wis the government 'regulators' The fourth branch of governent adopted the method.

    Go in the military and you get a couple dozen shots. Every year sometimes three or four times that if they lost your records. Is that dangeorus? Kind of like overdosing I should think? I asked once. Then I asked how many medical personnel or personnel personnel had been court martialed for losing or misplacing or mis filing all those records or allowing it to happen? Watch the REMF knives come out. That contiued for 24 years including the retirement physical where they refused to do end of career xrays on various injuries. Why? Government cutting back somewhere else on service connected. I wrote down the names of all concerned and was questioned about that. "Sure thing Doc. A Major. Ift this pops up I intend to find a lawyer and file some law suits. Like me you aren't always going to be wearing that uniform. So you get to spend the rest of your life wondering when the process server is going to show up. Now...if you want to prefer charges against me following my rights uner UCMJ and the Constitution be my guest. I have all of this on file with witnesses, or on tape, You can delay my retirement and I'll make more money for waiting around and by the way five more days I retire at highest rank held. Explain that.

    I got the xray. never needed it. so far but I know where that that quack lives and works. to this day. I send him Christmas cards sometimes. He forgot that military tactics can work for those wearing levis.
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  • Posted by minorwork 10 years, 3 months ago
    Doctors have NOT been removed from the medical decision process. Such nonsense.

    Part b under the intent of the legislature, states: "...persons required to be immunized be allowed to obtain immunizations from whatever medical source they so desire, subject only to the condition that the immunization be performed in accordance with the regulations of the department and that a record of the immunization is made in accordance with the regulations.

    Part c (c) Exemptions from immunization for medical reasons.

    So right away having access to the SB-277 bill shows the OP is wrong about more than one thing. Doctors have NOT been removed and medical exemptions are granted, just not religious ones.
    http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fac...
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
      How many doctors have you spoken to about this? This is key...You either know what's happening or you don't.

      I'll give you a tidbit. Doctors who issue these exemptions are being reported by schools who receive them and their licensure is being questioned. Fat, dumb school secretaries are enforcing a law they don't understand...for the "greater good".

      Have you seen the form the AAP has created for this exemption? You should look at it. Closely.
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      • Posted by minorwork 10 years, 3 months ago
        The intent is clear. Read the Bill. Closely.
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago
          You are right about that.
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          • Posted by minorwork 10 years, 2 months ago
            Sure, the religious feel they're getting put upon and find doctors sympathetic to their cause to declare a medical reason for avoiding vaccination. I expected it. I also expected those doctors to be disciplined if they are too obvious about their subterfuge.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago
              I know many people who have gotten medical exemptions. None that I know are religious. None go to church. That's an interesting theory, though. Come to think of it, I've never known somebody to not vaccinate due to religious reasons.

              When kids go back to school the next month or so it will be interesting to see the fallout from all those parents who may have missed a gardasil shot, etc..."Sorry, no free public education for your kid." They'll let a kid who has hepatitis attend school, but not a kid who didn't get the vaccine for it. Haha!
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