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How could a proclaimed Objectivist and a personal friend of Ayn Rand like Alan Greenspan ever think it was OK to be Chairman of something so corrupt as the Federal Reserve System?

Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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It goes against so many principles of Objectivism, ie it is total governmental central control of our monetary structure, it is not mentioned anywhere in our U S Constitution, thus unconstitutional, the chairman is not elected so he is not accountable to anyone, and it is flies in the face of Capitalism. Does this contradictory behavior of a prominent Objectivist bother anyone but me?


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  • Posted by impact 8 years, 10 months ago
    I had a conversation with an Objectivist economist years ago and asked about Greenspan. He commented that Greenspan sold years ago.
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  • Posted by rbroberg 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I will add that because he commented on compromise as a principle, it does appear that he put compromise as a basic principle, which would be a violation of basic principles.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago
    he has puzzled me for decades. . he must have gone
    astray along the way. . I used to say, "once you've seen
    the truth with Rand, you can't go back." . but people
    keep on proving me wrong. -- j
    .
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  • Posted by rbroberg 8 years, 10 months ago
    If I wanted to bring down the Federal Reserve system, I might start with the Federal Reserve. Also, the Wikipedia article expresses this same concern (citing H. Binswanger):

    "In the early 1950s, Greenspan began an association with novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand. Greenspan was introduced to Rand by his first wife, Joan Mitchell. Rand nicknamed Greenspan "the undertaker" because of his penchant for dark clothing and reserved demeanor. Although Greenspan was initially a logical positivist, he was converted to Rand's philosophy of Objectivism by her associate Nathaniel Branden. He became one of the members of Rand's inner circle, the Ayn Rand Collective, who read Atlas Shrugged while it was being written. During the 1950s and 1960s Greenspan was a proponent of Objectivism, writing articles for Objectivist newsletters and contributing several essays for Rand's 1966 book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal including an essay supporting the gold standard. Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Greenspan and Rand remained friends until her death in 1982.

    He has come under criticism from Harry Binswanger, who believes his actions while at work for the Federal Reserve and his publicly expressed opinions on other issues show abandonment of Objectivist and free market principles. When questioned in relation to this, however, he has said that in a democratic society individuals have to make compromises with each other over conflicting ideas of how money should be handled. He said he himself had to make such compromises, because he believes that "we did extremely well" without a central bank and with a gold standard. In a congressional hearing on October 23, 2008, Greenspan admitted that his free-market ideology shunning certain regulations was flawed. When asked about free markets and Rand's ideas, however, Greenspan clarified his stance on laissez faire capitalism and asserted that in a democratic society there could be no better alternative. He stated that the errors that were made stemmed not from the principle, but from the application of competitive markets in "assuming what the nature of risks would be".

    E. Ray Canterbery has chronicled Greenspan's relationship with Rand, and has concluded that the influence has had pernicious effects on Greenspan's monetary policy."

    I would add that unless you personally adhere to the Objectivist method of fact and evidence, then you are left with only assumptions. The comment from Greenspan over compromise might be considered an abandonment of Objectivist principles, or it might be considered legitimate, depending on his reasons and motivation:

    "A compromise is an adjustment of conflicting claims by mutual concessions. This means that both parties to a compromise have some valid claim and some value to offer each other. And this means that both parties agree upon some fundamental principle which serves as a base for their deal."

    AND

    "There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

    Therefore, whether Greenspan erred as Binswanger has commented has to be proven as constituting a compromise on basic principles - based on the limited information provided in the Wikipedia article and the quotes from the Lexicon, that is.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 10 months ago
    Hello ycandrea,
    He was corrupted.
    “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.” Lord Acton
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    Alan Greenjeans er, Greenspan, Gave up Objectivism when he seized upon the opportunity of becoming head of Fed. It made him. He got notoriety, a beautiful wife, lots of $$ (lectures, articles, the word of God). To this day his word is highly respected, and his economic principles, while they are close to those of Objectivism, cannot be taken at face value. Since he has stepped into the dark side, his pronouncements should be viewed with skepticism.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 10 months ago
    Unless you're Mother Teresa or Gandhi, money and power trump ideology - every time.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 10 months ago
    I always did wonder what Alan Greenspan could have been thinking, or whether he was thinking. Did he seriously imagine he could put things right at the Federal Reserve? You can't do it. The Federal Reserve is fundamentally insolvent. Does the phrase "lie, agreed-upon" suggest itself here? It does to me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
    Ask Greenspan himself. He wrote about it many times. Then again also state your reasons for saying the Fed is corrupt. I 've noticed lately the comments are many the FACTS to back them up are mmmmm in the realm of well it's common knowledge. For canhdrea the benefit of refreshing minds and benefiting newcomers a little recap is definitely in order. and I think ycandrea volunteered.

    PS don't much like them myself but then objectivism means keep checking and keep testing.

    Thanks

    M.A.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 10 months ago
    Excellent observation. I have wondered about this as well. I think the usual justification is that they can mitigate the damage being done. Similar to Education Secretaries that had previously called for the elimination of the Education Department. Total contradiction.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago
    What did Rand think of Greenspan once he got into the position of power? I just dont remember.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago
    Good Question. He was a real statist in my opinion. I didnt like him at all.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 10 months ago
    It was all about the money they gave him plus the perks, a private airplane, and what he perceived as prestige
    Otherwise he is a turncoat and as jbrenner stated sith!
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 10 months ago
    I saw Greenspan commenting about Brexit and at 90, I wonder if anything he says is valuable today. I believe he thought he could make a difference but became corrupted by the power he sought to restrict. I fear that potential is a part of our human nature.

    The Fed is a central bank on steroids, grown even beyond the bounds imagined by Alexander Hamilton. Central planning sounds so good to an intellectual. Just think, if a smart person didn't control everything, the uneducated, stupid masses would influence everything!!! Free markets are not controlled but operate on the basis of the decisions of every economic entity. Opposition to market forces is futile in the long run because they don't go away, don't need to be constantly reenergized and are relentless. Trying to fight nature with monetary policy while encouraging fiscal insanity is role the Fed and they are very good at it.

    Gold is pretty much a useless metal but it is in finite supply, costs money to extract and refine and therefore puts a limit on the money supply. Paper is made from trees and the supply gets replenished daily. Discipline and restraint in printing it is too much to expect of a mere mortal, even one that sat at the right hand of Rand.
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