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Perspective from an East German

Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 11 months ago to The Gulch: General
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A customer saw my Who is John Galt shirt today and asked if I had read the book. She said the size of it intimidated her a little but she feels she should read it. She grew up in East Germany under Communism. Shortly after the wall came down her family moved here. She said the amount of freedom we enjoyed was shocking and exciting. She had never even been to West Germany so this was her first experience outside of Communism. She feels her story is similar to Ayn Rand and I agreed. She feels that we are moving closer to Communism and she can't believe it. She said she hopes we wake up soon to what is going on.


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 11 months ago
    I hope when she asked if you had read the book you looked confused and intrigued and gasped, "What?! There's a book???!" Just kidding. :)
    I'm sure she could relate 100% to AS, I'm surprised she hasn't picked it up yet. I really wish people would consider listening to people who have LIVED through communism. How are so many born with rose colored corneas anyway??
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    • Posted by 11 years, 11 months ago
      I told her about the movies but I really hope she reads the book. I told her it was intimidating for me too but once I started it was an easy read. The passion she spoke with was moving.















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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 11 months ago
    In the 90s I knew a history buff who told me the DDR had a shocking volume of info on its citizens. Over half the population acted as informants in some form or another. Half the population was spying on the other half. The thing was there was no way to sort through all that information. If technology had existed to search through a massive database quickly and easily, the gov't would have been much more powerful.

    I wonder if he foresaw that we were years away from an IT revolution and a huge leap in the ease of searching through large amts of data.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 11 months ago
      Re: Circuit Guy,

      I too am an immigrant from East Germany (DDR). My family and I escaped from east Germany in 1957, before the wall was built. However, even though we were allowed to travel to West Berlin, you were always taking a chance of being pulled of the train for the slightest suspicion. Often, people who were taken off the train were never seen again.

      My father was imprisoned for “political conspiracy for 14 months because he and some friends spoke of politics and frankly the main reason was because we still owned a business. This was during the time when the East German government was confiscating just about every privately owned business.

      We managed to smuggle out some money over a years’ time during a period when the government would close the banks periodically in order to issue new currency so that the people couldn’t hoard money and smuggle it to West Berlin.

      One of the consequences of the constant new currency was that the money exchange rate became a greater and greater spread where the Money almost became totally worthless in West Berlin.

      One of the strangest discoveries in East Berlin was when the crowds rushed the VOPO (East German Security Service) headquarters and discovered hundreds of thousands of jars filled with pieces of clothing and hair to be used by bloodhounds to help search for escapees.
      It is also true that husbands and wives spied against each other, not much different from the World War II Nazi days.

      fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 11 months ago
      In the one day I spent in East Berlin in 1984, there was a bathroom attendant who expected to be tipped, for cleaning the bathroom I suppose. What was really odd about him was that he had a notebook and pen. Perhaps he was one of the informants that CircuitGuy referred to?
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 11 months ago
        There was some categorization of it. As a novelty, in Germany you can go somewhere(?) and see if you were in the East German databases. My friend gave his name and address(west german) and sure enough they had an audio tape of him. It was a phone call to his grandparents(east german). He played his grandmother a song on the violin for her birthday. He felt this was hysterically funny. I didn't laugh
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        • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 11 months ago
          Agreed. Not funny at all. In high school my brother dated a girl whose parents were scientists in East Germany, and her mother was pregnant with her when they escaped under the wall with her older brother and sister. They risked their lives to get away from what we're hurtling toward.
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      • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 11 months ago
        re: jbrenner,

        We too used to have bathroom attendants in hotels and some restaurants that worked for tips. In fact, many casinos throughout the U.S. still have them and they do provide a service such as cologne and towels to the patrons. Your comment about them spying on you in the East Berlin bathrooms isan astute observation, any tourist that travelled in the east was more than likely under observation.

        My own experience in travelling back in East germany on my honeymoon in 1969 after having escaped from there in 1957 and by 1969 being a U.S. citizen was that my wife and I would only go on day trips and would not stay overnight. thankfully, computers didn't exist in those days for them to check me out quickly as my U.S. Passport only stated my country of birth as Germany. frankly, thinking back on that trip, I must admit that i was foolish to expose my wife to the dangers of both of us being picked up by the VOPO's.

        Fred Speckmann
        commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 11 months ago
          Likewise we were only in East Berlin for the day. I think I have only been in one or two fancy hotels with bathroom attendants since then. We were definitely under surveillance that day, as you were and everyone else.
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 11 years, 11 months ago
        I encountered those same bathroom attendants in Holland when I visited there as a child. Couldn't figure out what the hell he wanted when he approached me as I walked in and directed me to a stall. I was like 8 years old at the time. I went out and told my Dutch hosts and they gave me a coin to give him. In retrospect, he was directing me to a stall so I wouldn't miss the urinal and pee on the floor! It is a job for the old and or lame to give them an income. That is in a society that values work over dependency. This would certainly be the case in a place like E Germany where dependents aren't needed to get elected, they just cost the apparatus money. I grantee though that in a police state like East Germany, they were in fact integrated in to the security apparatus.
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  • Posted by RonC 11 years, 11 months ago
    I have read the book, and seen the movies several times (netflix is a beautiful thing). I am always shocked when the government makes a new rule in the movie, and we look to our friends and they say, "Didn't Obama do that last week?" (the latest example was an IRS rule to prevent businesses from dropping health care coverage and giving employees the cash.)

    In my years in the hair salon I met a lot of people that went back to the old country to visit. Germany, Italy, England, France, most all of western Europe. I did notice they didn't stay. They came back to America for freedom and opportunity, and my great haircuts!. I fear America is different today. Me and my family are well, but I hear terrible stories of people leaving the US for a better life. Belize, Australia, Singapore, the Phillipines; there seem to be all sorts of places around the world with more opportunity, more freedom, and less taxes.

    At the same time our Government is like the dumb guy talking to the wood stove, telling the stove if you make a little heat I will give you some wood. The big government guys refuse to consider that too much taxing and too many permits to file can kill the goose that lays the golden egg. We live in a world economy today. Electronically, money (capital) flow around the world at the speed of light. In the 19th century capital moved at the speed of a sailing vessel. In the 20th century, capital moved at the speed of Airmail. The point is, today's CEO is going to do business where he can find resources, labor, and logistics in a constellation that make sense for his/her stockholders. If we continue to raise the tax and regulation barriers, we deserve the results we get. Capital follows ROI, and careers follow capital. I know that's hard for a left leaning Progressive to understand, but yes Barry it really is that simple.

    It's not even a question of labor today since most manufacturing is done with robots, just watch the show "How it's Made". So logistics, resources, and tax treatment become really important for the CEO's decision.

    Add to that the invasion of privacy and the ruling by fiat from the White house and we have an America that is vastly different from history. You could say it has fundamentally changed.

    Funny, natural born Americans don't seem to see it. The change is slow and progressive. Talk to or read a book by a Cuban on the subject and you get perspective. The same is true of eastern Europeans. I always wondered why immigrants often achieved more than our natural borns. I have come to the conclusion in is/was our personal freedom to work for ourselves and keep a portion of what we earn.
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 11 years, 11 months ago
      Change is so slow and so gradually progressive that day by day people endure it. Gradualism is a deliberate process. It's the famous case of frog-warming.

      "...keep a portion of what we earn." -- And the portion we are allowed to keep gets smaller and smaller, once the principle is established that we have no say, no right, in what we keep. So, where *does* the money go?
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      • Posted by 11 years, 11 months ago
        End Federal withholding and make people write a check to the government twice a year. Be a lot of angry people out there.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 11 months ago
          Hello richrobinson,
          You've got that right! As a business owner required to make quarterly payments, I see how much I give and recognize how little I get for my money. There is no greater robbery.
          Regards,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by 11 years, 11 months ago
            Hi OA. I was talking to a friend today and he was pointing out how little we get for our taxes. If we could see a clear link between taxes and roads being built or anything tangible being done it would be a lot easier to send in the check.
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 11 months ago
          Yeah right. lol I agree it would work, but the fed won't ever do that for obvious reasons. Next there will be a withholding for obamacare... look how many haven't signed up for that even though it's the law. Watch.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 11 months ago
      Re: RonC,

      I had never heard the story of the stove, but it makes the point brilliantly. your analysis about the trend of our economy due to the total lack of economic knowledge of president Obama, either that or his deliberate attempt to destroy our economy for his political based on his misguided beliefs.

      You are also correct about your analysis of natural born citizens compared to immigrants who realize what is happening. I think the story of throwing a frog into boiling water and the frog jumping out as compared to putting the frog in cold water and turning up the heat to slowly cook him is a good comparison to what is happening to american citizens. we are slowly being cooked without realizing it. Wake up America, there's an election coming and I would advise to vote for "real conservatives as our only hope.

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by katrinam41 11 years, 11 months ago
    I spent 8 months in West Germany while the wall was still up, and it felt like the entire country was controlled--and the people went along with it. I will never forget the day I first experienced a totalitarian Strasse ride. In the middle of the block, the electric trolley stopped, the doors were locked, and 10 average looking passengers stood, pulled out official cards, and demanded to see everyone's ticket. No one blinked an eye. Tickets showed up, those with no ticket simply handed the inspector a 10 Mark note and that was it. I have never been so unnerved in my life. If that is what WEST Germany was like back then, I can understand your customer's relief at being here, and I will bet she is absolutely appalled at what we have become in this country. Frankly, so am I. In spite of the battle to educate friends and family about what is to come, the headlight is bearing down on us all and Cheryl Taggart will have a lot of company when it shows its true form.
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  • Posted by barwick11 11 years, 11 months ago
    A co-worker of mine left Romania near the end of the cold war. He just sits amazed at how stupid we are. Same story for our realtor, left Romania about the same time...
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    • Posted by 11 years, 11 months ago
      They come here to get away from that and now there may be no where left to go.
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      • Posted by barwick11 11 years, 11 months ago
        Reagan pointed that out in '64...

        Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, "We don't know how lucky we are." And the Cuban stopped and said, "How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to." And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.
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  • Posted by aogilmore 11 years, 11 months ago
    It is scary how far we've moved towards totalitarianism. We imprison more people than the Soviets ever did, although the CCP still outdoes Amerika in executions.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 11 months ago
      Re: aogilmore,

      While the statistic is true, it is misleading. totalitarian nations tend to imprison people for plitical crimes rather than 'regular crimes" such as robbery and other property and assault type crimes. In such societies there is less opportunity for property crimes. The United States offers much more opportunity to commit such crimes due to many factors, not the least of which is more wealth and a more permissive society that leads people in a criminal direction.

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsensefopramericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 11 years, 11 months ago
    Been going on for a while.
    When the KGB records came out, McCarthy was not just shown to be correct in his fears, it turned out he was VASTLY UNDERestimating the degree of infiltration and takeover in Hollywood and in our government.

    When he fell, due to his contemptible methods, the Communist and Socialists and their fellows remained in place to continue, and still are, using my party as their face to America and hoping to collapse our economy so they can replace it with Socialism.
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