SpaceX may face $15,000 port fee for booster return

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 10 months ago to Technology
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So, one has to wonder who paid for the ports facilities, and if their "fees" are warranted or reflect an urge to fleece a "rich guy", who can afford to be looted "for the greater good".
SOURCE URL: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/space-news/spacex-may-face-15000-port-fee-for-booster-return


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  • Posted by starznbarz 7 years, 10 months ago
    Spacex is a private company, seems they would do what all private companies do when their taxes / fees are raised, pass it on to the customer - in this case NASA, for resupply to ISS, which will cause NASA to up the fees for pad 41, which will cause Spacex to up the fees for delivery.... Im curious what, if any, the "fees were for the returning shuttle boosters, as well as the sections of Saturn rockets, they went through the port to the turning basin.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 10 months ago
    I can see their point, using the port should incur the same fee as any other user of it, but how large the cargo is shouldn't make much of a difference to the port. Ports do operate as an on-going enterprise, and it certainly takes revenue to operate an enterprise. The obvious thing is though that they shouldn't be treated unlike any other customer and pay the same fees and rate. A surcharge for the security requirements would certainly be warranted.

    It's not international trade though, which a 'wharfage fee' would typically mean.
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    • Posted by ChuckyBob 7 years, 10 months ago
      Wharfage is charged on any cargo that uses the wharf, whether it be domestic, coastwise, or international. However, many ports have a reduced rate for domestic cargo.
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 7 years, 10 months ago
    Our Dear Leader, The One, Barack Hussein Obama (mmm, mmm, mmm...) has said that the booster issue is not SpaceX's. Remember the words of our Supreme Leader: "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

    The Port Authority just needs to find that "somebody else" and present them with the bill.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 7 years, 10 months ago
    Of course it is a fleece job. Fivedollargold is surprised that Musk didn't negotiate a long-term deal with the Port Authority when he did so with NASA for use of the Cape. Oversight.

    On a related issue, has anyone heard of plans to take SpaceX public?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
      Maybe the issue was moot, because they were just in line doing business with them as had been done all along for a long time. It seemed that was what the article implied, that they were working under a standard agreement, until the Port decided that Musk could obviously be made to pay more, because, well, he is rich...
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  • Posted by helidrvr 7 years, 10 months ago
    Given the fact that Elon Musk is the Grand Mufti of crony capitalism, there is some ironically poetic justice to be found in this. :)
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 10 months ago
      I do not agree with that idea. Even as a GM of CP, he has made his money in business. Unless he has engaged in some unethical practice, I would say penalizing him for it is the unethical part. I am sure he is blowing big bucks to make this work. His auto end has of course, benefited from all the goodies the politicos have hung out there, but others have as well. Toyota comes to mind...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 10 months ago
    Charging a higher fee for the additional security needs is probably merited. Knowing what I do about rocket boosters, the environmental impact is also definitely higher than is typical for most cargo. However, the booster is far from the heaviest item to come into Port Canaveral. There is some price gouging here, above and beyond what would be a reasonable surcharge for additional impact on Port Canaveral, but not as much as most think.

    Note: I pay a small tax (about $100 of my $3000 per year property tax) to the Port Canaveral Taxing Authority. I don't want additional impact fees that should be charged to port users to be passed on to me.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago
      What environmental impact? is it leaking something? or is this a liberal sky is falling thing.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 10 months ago
        The vast majority of the solid rocket booster reagent is consumed during the rocket launch, but there is a residue that sticks to the vessel. This residue is water-soluble, so the threat to the environment is only serious if it rains, which happens a lot here in a Florida summer.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 10 months ago
          Falcon 9 is fueled with liquid oxygen and kerosene and has no booster residue on landing. Large solid boosters usually fall into the seas.
          If government is to have property such as ports, then there are two main ways to pay for their use, taxes or fees for use. Fees are the best way for those who do not use the property.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 10 months ago
          In the past I've spent much time in Florida and it does rain a lot.
          So I would suggest the SpaceX company buy private property in a desert state like Utah and create a space port of its own.
          Just first make sure there is no lizard or insect around that's naturally going Darwin so the EPA
          won't come along and make them tear the space port back down.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 10 months ago
            There have been proposed alternate coastal launch sites, like Padre Island in Texas, Cat Island off the Mississippi coast, and island sites off the Georgia and North & South Carolina coasts. Until a solid safety record is established, inland launch sites are likely to be restricted to suborbital flight, or takeoff and landing of aircraft carrying launch stages. Launch and reentry over populated areas is unlikely for the time being.
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