GOP Senators Cave on 2nd Amendment

Posted by jimslag 4 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Say goodbye to the 2nd Amendment and it not being impinged. I have owned guns since I got out of the military, before I joined the military and then the military gave me some bada$$ guns to use for 21 years while I was in. The civilians guns killed a couple of deer and elk and a few hundred squirrels but no people. The guns the military gave me killed a couple of people but only under the rules of war. The thing is those weapons only did what I directed them to do, they never went out on their own and killed or did any damage unless I did while using the weapon. The weapons are not the problem, it is the people using them. Dumbocrats and Gophers obviously cannot read the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights that they are supposed to uphold and defend. I know, I recited the Oath of Office several times in my career.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 7 months ago
    There should be a waiting period for passing laws. I really mean it. It's not a good idea to quit a job, get married, or do a real estate transaction when you're fire up. You shouldn't even drive when you're majorly worked up. It's like they keep laws like the PATRIOT Act in a drawer some where on standby for the next tragedy.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 7 months ago
      Like that much better than waiting period on buying guns. Laws are far more powerful than guns, and enforced with guns.

      I like that idea, but not as much as a limit on duration, after which the law expires if not renewed, and a testable intended outcome. If the law does not accomplish it's intent, it is cancelled.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 7 months ago
        I would also suggest that every bill to be considered must be read on the floor and in its entirety before any vote can be taken. They have that rule in our State with First, Second and Third Readings, after which there is a vote to Proceed. It really keeps things down to serious topics and bills which are on-topic.
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 7 months ago
          I like that. What state?
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          • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 7 months ago
            Idaho.
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 7 months ago
              Ahhh. Home of Lake Pend Orielle, the cutthroat trout and a Navy test submarine I led the design of the propulsion system for. Very good.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 7 months ago
                Wow. Not many people know about that. A few more things most don't know about:

                INL (Idaho National Laboratories) - This is where the original and ongoing research into nuclear reactors takes place. Nearby Arco was first city powered by nuclear-generated energy. Refined designs for Breeder series of low-waste reactors.

                Craters of the Moon - used to test NASA rovers.

                Sun Valley - ski resort/retreat for the rich and famous

                Boise - capital and home of Micron (RAM chips), HP (LaserJet printers), and Boise State University. Also known as the second Silicon Valley. Sports only State Capital building in nation heated by geothermal water. Also currently being invaded by people fleeing California.

                Television invented by Idaho inventor Philo T. Farnesworth of eastern Idaho.
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                • Posted by 4 years, 7 months ago
                  Yep, did my stint in the Idaho desert. Both as a student and as an instructor. First time lived in Idaho Falls, second time in Pocatello. Bus rides were heck but the people were friendly and Idaho State was right across the street from where I lived in Poky. Loved the 6 years there but probably not going back again. P.S., the breeder reactor was EBR-1.
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                • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 7 months ago
                  and don't forget all the potatoes and white supremacists! Also looks like it would hurt if you fell on it.
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                  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 7 months ago
                    It's the state shaped like a gun. ;) (We don't have a problem with kids chewing their pop-tarts to look like the state...) also see https://img0.etsystatic.com/016/0/641...

                    PS - the white supremacists lost their compound more than a decade ago... Pretty hilarious circumstances really. Served them right.
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                    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 7 months ago
                      I used to bite my pop tarts into shapes! Always eats the crumbly crust first because it can compromise an accurate nibble, and save the yummy part for last!

                      I gotta look up the compound removal. Our guys used to think going out there was a little iffy if you strayed too far.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
                      Should be they were all up in the muzzle of the barrel of the pistol. Wrong place to site unless you were looking for a fast exist to Canada. most of them were or were made out to be swastika types anyway. True or not True they never figured out Nazi's along with Adolf and his group were left wing extremists the whole time.

                      National German SOCIALIST LABOR Party? The only thing further left were or are Communists of the International Socialist flavor versus the National Sociaist flavor..
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago
      I'm agreeing with you on this.
      A next day or two emotional reaction to something is not a use of logic.
      There's a big difference between knee-jerk and brain-work.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 7 months ago
        "a "let's take a time out and a deep breath and let's think about this" rule."
        I agree and think gov't should do public what-if planning sessions before the crisis happens. I would like to do one for what if someone sets of a crude nuclear device in a populated area. Maybe that's reason to give up some of our freedoms temporarily. We should have that debate now, not right after the attack.

        Since we don't live in utopia, someone will shoot up a place again. Some sneak attack will kill thousands. It's happened throughout history and will keep happening. We should formulate a plan with cool heads and execute it when tragedy strikes.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago
          There is a war on. More Americans will die.
          IMO, respect for the dignity of those who will be murdered is not allowing them to fall as sheep disarmed to be slaughtered.
          Repeated reports of terrorist attacks is a major reason why I now carry a concealed pistol plus a spare magazine in the opposite front pocket.
          No, I don't really want my preferred dignified death. I prefer to shoot some murdering cur dead.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 7 months ago
    We hear a lot about how the 2nd amendment is an archaic leftover from a more violent time, and that it should apply only to muzzle loaded black powder firearms. By that same reasoning, religious protection under the 1st amendment should only apply to the Christian, Jewish, and Amerindian faiths, since those were the only religions in America at the time the Constitution was ratified.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 4 years, 7 months ago
    The left have beaten up religion over the letter Jefferson sent to the church of Danbury, to create "Separation of Church and State" which is NOT in the constitution.

    Here is a nugget in a letter from Jefferson to his FIFTEEN year-old nephew Peter Carr.

    During some debates recently some very spirited discussion occurred regarding the 2nd Amendment, open carry concealed carry, and what did the founders REALLY mean. While researching, I came across this. Should there ever be any doubt about what the founders meant by "keep and BEAR (not bare) Arms". It is important to note that when sending personal letters to and from friends your TRUE feelings and views are often laid bare.

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr,
    1785. ME 5:85, Papers 8:407

    That letter sure sounds like National Concealed carry ALL THE TIME to me.

    I highly DOUBT he was referring to lugging around a musket or long-rifle as your constant companion.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 7 months ago
      " left have beaten up religion over the letter Jefferson sent "
      Getting the government involved in religion would be beating it up. Keeping church and state separate is good for all concerned.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 4 years, 7 months ago
        Not the point....and I am not sure why you opted to change the subject. There was a distinct parallel. I was neither indicating pro or con for religion only the FACT that "Separation of Church and Sate" be it good or bad is NOT in the constitution.
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 4 years, 7 months ago
      I highly doubt you were concealing any pistols from the 18th century. The smallest pistols were not very inconspicuous and were essentially shorter versions of rifles that were slightly larger than the hand. I could see open carry as a method as many pistols could be holstered (and many were). It wasn't until self contained ammunition was more universal that pistols could be made for consealment. Not that I think the founders would have had a problem with concealed carry as I believe they saw firearms as a stopgap to prevent government overreach. Not that it seems to prevent the politicians from trying to eliminate that stopgap.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 4 years, 7 months ago
        You would be VEREY VERY WRONG!!! Here are some FACTS for you and your "assumption and opinion."

        IN case you are skeptical of conceal carry in the 1700's Here are some historical facts. The Founders were well aware of small pocket guns.
        http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p...
        George Washington’s favorite pistol was made in London in 1748
        AWESOME paper on guns, militia, and the 2nd amendment. Well worth the read. To reiterate they had "pocket guns: back then, and they used them too, the only reason few people had them was because of the expense. All of the founders were wealthy and could afford and did own.
        http://www.claytoncramer.com/unpublis...
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 7 months ago
    The purpose of gun control is to disarm the citizens so they can't revolt against an unfair government. All the rest of the talk is just nonsense
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 7 months ago
    Two faced lying HRM Donnie:
    "Donald Trump said he would meet with the NRA to discuss ways to block people on terrorism watch lists or no-fly lists from buying guns. The same day, Trump told a rally in Georgia: "I'm going to save your Second Amendment.""

    That's what you can expect from Trump. Ignore the constitution and pass more unconstitutional laws to increase fedgov power.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
    Why? Do I get a warm fuzzy safe feeling by NOT living on the USA side of the border?

    Why do I sleep a solid eight every night without checking doors locks and window latches?

    Life is so much more pleasant in Expatria.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 4 years, 7 months ago
    I must have missed something...where, exactly, did the Senate "cave" on the 2nd Amendment?

    Maybe I didn't read between the lines?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
      Dec 31st for the fifteenth millionth time . The Senate passed 85 to 15 (the house already having done so) the annual spending bill. Every one heaved a manufactured and rehearsed sigh of relief. Oh joy the government is not going to shut down. Remember that one?

      Buried in the bill with the usual add on ear marks were some changes to the apprehension and investigation and subsequent procedures etc. for the Patrioit Acts operations manual.

      Nothing further in the way of explanation or definition, nothing deleted, only one item added.

      Now think about 'probable cause' one of those silly ass constitutional impediments.

      Last years rule - apprehension requirement based on 'suspicion of terrorism' is allowed with no supporting documents such as warrants etc.

      This years change added suspicion of terrorism and suspicion of support of terrorism.'

      No definitions no limitations

      To keep it simple the entire civil rights section and most of the Bill of Rights was wiped out.

      That includes the Second Amendment. The entire Senate knew about that ear mark. 85 voted for all the Democrats and all the Rinos.

      fifteen voted against.

      100 percent of the new media and 99.999 percent of the Stupid R Us were too busy watching some ball drop for some unknown reason.
      0001.% Obeyme and camerea crew filmed his signing that same evening.

      Question was so why all this meaningless blather about something that doesn't exist anymore ANY time they want to invoke the undefined word 'terrorism?'

      You didn't miss read between the lines. You ddn't open the book. This is the fifth or sixth time this information has been made available on this forum alone.
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      • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 7 months ago
        No habeas corpus , no explanation , no anything
        As Alex Epstein said so eloquently:
        "fuck off fascist"
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
          I did another filibuster. In a semi historical mode. You may want to add to it the parts I glossed over. I'm no Senator Byrd and I do need my sleep.

          More I think of it the more I think we need a Pireaus in charge after all the worst he did was nothing compared to the best of the civilian politicians and the best he did was win a war for them to turn into another failure.

          The military under color of their oath of office might yet be the answer. It's legal, it's a counter revolution and there is no entity that can stop them. Just pray they do follow the oath completely. The odds are better than what we're currently being offered that's for sure.
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 4 years, 7 months ago
        I had assumed, by the subject of the story, that this something recent, like, since Orlando.

        I'm wondering what this filibuster has to do with something that happened clear back in December?

        Can you see why I appear confused?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
          Not really. It's on going since then but next to completely ignored. Lately it's picked up interest as the different actions that pertain to the attack on Constitution and Bill of rights and civil rights all come together.

          Most would be confused having missed it entirely due to the news black out 'clear back in December? No it's been on going for at least two if not three Presidential in five administrations with increasing speed and impact.

          Bush gave us a huge increase in police agencies at the federal level going from three to now something like 30.

          Clinton gave us a decrease in personnel then under 100,000 cops on the street refilled the federal agencies for the most part.

          Both started the idea of executive orders being more commonplace.

          Both of them started the groundwork for the ethanol/food prices scam. Both started and laid the ground work the housing bubble and free housing for those not qualified for loans scam and the eventual attack on small banks and consolidation of power and money in the hands of a few. Not to mention an increase in debt and no Clinton did not balance the federal budget with a surplus he balanced the White House version and left a 1.4 trillion dollar increase in debt though that figure in history diminishes year by year.

          Bush II was cursed or blessed with the attack on the Trade Towers. which laid the ground work for the Patriot Act and with that the DOHS now DHS or think of it as the Directorate of Internal State Security a full blown schutzstaffel or protective echelon. We've been at war non stop ever since. but at what price?

          More executive orders, less civil rights and the part I mentioned in particular is the legacy of our loss in the war on terrorism...or a change in terrorists. When you have to give up all that made the country what it was two hundred years of advancing and improving just to appease a non stop attack one can hardly claim a victory.

          Never mind the what's the demo word for it 'draconian' increase in debt and devaluation of the citizens buying power or dollar value. One can hardly claim a victory.

          Meanwhile the power and of the federal government increases have you seen any sign of victory? If so why is TSA still operating no matter how badly. Maybe a filibuster tying all of that together is needed. Maybe a SMACK in the face and a WAKE UP is needed. When one can sleep through losing their most basic civil rights and say ho hum so what...

          Maybe one should wonder if the military absenting itself from it's oath of office doesn't have a good reason. Such as America...you aren't worth it anymore.

          Maybe you should just go back to sleep ....and call it a bad dream or a filibuster.

          As it is your of little value and the military is right not worth the effort - unless it's to take over and force feed the Constitution back into life using education camps if that's what it takes.

          Or just take over.l

          You civilians have certainly failed.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 7 months ago
        People like this anti American Senator who openly violates his oath of office are they really doing that? I'd say they are way ahead of most and the stupid population is a 14 time zones short of a whole planet.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 7 months ago
    This idiot is an embarrassment to not only connecticut but to America maybe even the cosmos!
    We here in connecticut call him...pissy hands murphy...
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