they are still in the "might makes right" world of the seventh century, it seems to me. . the only defense would appear to be stronger might in the interval before rationality sets in. . like the patriot missile system or the shotgun next to your bed, peace through strength makes sense. . so, we need to do some serious defensive force invention -- especially for our citizens abroad. . and our allies. . like israel. -- j .
I get ticked off at people calling ISIS Radical. they are NOT radical at all. They are fundamentalists practicing ISLAM as it is written and practiced since about 680 AD.
This is why they kill other Muslims. The so-called "passive" Muslims are NOT practicing Islam as it is written. they are backsliding Muslims. I am not speaking from a position of hate but of fact, not of opinion but as one who has read the Qur'an and its Surahs.
And before you compare Christianity to Islam, and the Old Testament to the New Testament, there is NOTHING in the New Testament that tells its followers to go out and kill non-Christians. But to preach and proselytize, and God will sort out good from bad in his time, and his followers will not have to do anything.
To the contrary The Qur'an throughout preaches as these verses do.
Terry Kamps Jr. "Educate The World About The True Intent of Islam by Reading The Koran Day”, see these Koran Quotes Koran Koran Surahs: Koran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 3:28 “Moslems must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.” Koran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:60 “Moslems must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Moslems to fight them.” Koran 9:5 “When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:29 “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Islam), until they pay the Halal Certification Tax (protection tax or jizya) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.” Koran 9:30 “The Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.”
Again this is not hate, but showing that the "radicals" are actually just practicing their religion as written.
Sun Tsu: "Know your enemy and know yourself and you will be victorious."
People who do not recognize reality will never win, because they do not understand the mindset of the enemy.
The USA has indeed acted like a honey badger- just doesnt give a shit and does what it wants. We have been bad about that. BUT, the islamists want to kill all non believers. Who is worse. We both kill innocent people, just we call it war
yes, BHO has turned into a D propagandist in his last year, besides still pursuing the emptying of Gitmo and the destruction of the constitution. -- j .
"Perhaps they cant read the islamist "bible", I don't think there is an Islamist Bible. Sometimes I think a Pope-like figure (a Caliph?) would force Isalmists to admit they're not following Islam, but I think what they admit doesn't matter. I think they'll fail under the weight of their own bad ideas.
I agree that the scenario you laid out re: loss of freedom and so forth from terror incidents. Our public servants have no trouble throwing more and more restrictions on us.
They don't need Netanyahu to prompt them. In fact my take is Obama hates Isreal he hates their productivity and as we know from his stand point all success is credited to someone else not the achiever.
I would think he Benjamin N was ineffective as a leader if he didn't want support for his nation.
We have spent the last 7+ years shunning our allies.
During Netanyahu's comments I did not get the sense that he was doing anything but describing Islamic radicalism and their hate of all that is not them. Something our commander in chief refuses to do.
Would you say that the US looted the technology of Hitler's German empire to develop the space program? I am not an apologist for modern Islam; I have no affinity for it, but in the past there is evidence that Islam was not the dictaorship of evil that we are schooled that it is today.
I also appreciate his words. I put on the rainbow face on my FaceBook page because it was a way to show my support to the victims of this awful tragedy. I cannot believe Obummer is not doing more against the terrorist attacks in our own country.
Rose Wilder Lane wrote about that history in Discovery of Freedom. Excellent and inspiring book for anyone who loves liberty. Published the same year as The Fountainhead and Isabel Patterson's God of the Machine. https://mises.org/library/discovery-f... Comment from http://fee.org: "Free of the authoritarianism that prevailed in Europe’s Dark Ages, Muslims advanced the sciences and applied new technologies. They developed the vital mathematical concepts of zero and spherical trigonometry, and put them to work in architecture and navigation. While Europeans were blaming disease on demons, the Muslims of the tenth century, notes Lane, “were using the entire American medical pharmacopeia of today.” Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad documents the fact that ninth-century Baghdad had 60 drugstores. No Food and Drug Administration stood in the way of medical progress. Surgeons unlicensed by any government performed effective operations with local anesthesia."
This is what a leader sounds like. God I wish that America had a leader such as this. Instead we have a Muslim panty waste, that inspires less respect than the worms on the ocean floor feeding on whale feces
In the US on average over 7,000 people die every day, about 100 people die in car accidents every day. These 50 people are important and to be respected, but they represent 0.7% of a single day's deaths, 0.002% of a years' deaths, or 0.15% of the deaths in cars in a year.
The actions of the media whip people into a fear frenzy, akin to fear of flying, when one's chances of dying this way is very low. Scared people make poor, subjective decisions, like trying to take away the freedoms of others, however irrelevant it is to the fear.
My priorities are clear and objective. The death of 50 people my a madman does not prompt me to immediate action other than some sadness anger and a renewed interest in an LtC (which I will obtain when I get to NH), because it is statistically trivial, and no one has proposed a reasonable action remotely capable of controlling the event.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
My set of priorities? For the place I live: My family and children Freedom Correcting the deficit Limiting government powers Reinvigorating industry and the economy ... Keeping Hillary out of power ... Maintaining military strength ... Continuing to play soccer Having a fast car ...x10 doing something about this event
Where does action in this "issue" show up in your priorities, and what do you plan to do about it?
Whether they develop it or steal it, once they have it, they hold the world to ransom. I quote Rand: "[A free society] has the [absolute] right to invade...any...slave pen."
Did the West fall into a Dark Age? Yes. But the Byzantine Empire lived on. The Baghdad Caliphate looted the technology of the Byzantine Empire--and, to a lesser extent, the Jews. And when they erased the Byzantine Empire, they had nowhere else to loot from. And, of course, they failed in their bid to conquer the West. Charles "The Hammer" Martel kept them out of France, and then Ferdinand and Isabella, before they would finance an Italian seafarer named Christopher Colon, kicked them out of Spain.
Fine, you take him at face value and I read between the lines. Israel survives partly because of support from the fedgov and from American Jews. Netanyahu is a politician. You say its drivel. I think you are naive to accept it at face value. We disagree.
I was reading that compared with the european dark ages, islam was advanced at least over them. your argument about letting them develop new weapons is to be taken seriously. However, I wonder just how much these statist societies could really develop. Russia is being kept alive by the western countries buying energy from it. China by the stuff the world buys from them. etc
Islam never was an advanced culture. They were copycats. Whatever they had, they stole from the Jews, then the Christian West.
Now I don't suggest going to war for loot and plunder, i.e., oil. We'd be no better than they if we did that. But I'm not sure I want to sit around and give them time to develop, or steal, an intercontinental ballistic missile with Multiple Independently-targetable Re-entry Vehicles riding in its tip.
"The makes a false distinction between so called "radical islamists" and "other islamists who keep quiet". Islamists by definition do not keep quiet. The very word means believing that a literal interpretation of religion should be the basis for everyone's life and gov't. That's a radical claim. So radical Islam is the same thing as Islamism.
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Historically, the hatred of Jews in Europe stemmed from the fact that Jews in the middle ages insisted on segregating themselves in ghettos where only Jewish law applied. In other words, they were unwilling to assimilate and be citizens of any of the countries that they lived in, because of their self-image as a nation in exile who would someday recapture Israel. (They were exiled after the Romans defeated the Zealots of Masada in AD 79.)
Modern hatred toward Jews appears to me to be nothing more than envy of their success at capitalism.
The so-called Palestinian point of view is only possible for someone who doesn't know history or religion at all. Arabs have been trying to "ethnically cleanse" the countries they occupy (and any others they can conquer) since Islam was founded in the 7th Century. The Crusades were defensive in nature. It was Muslims, not Communists, who invented the idea that "peace is defined as the condition that will exist after we own the world", and Islam encourages them to lie to, cheat, and murder non-Muslims whenever expedient. Islam is not so much a religion as a political movement of and for total barbarians, and it and its proclaimed followers deserve zero respect. Indeed, they will probably force their opponents to exterminate them before there can ever be peace in the Middle East.
It is ironic that our President tells us we should be letting even more Muslim "refugees" come to our country, while at the same time his own CIA director tells us that ISIS will be sending their terrorist plants hidden in the mass of refugees. This administration is completely incoherent regarding effective response to terrorism, other than to admonish Americans and demand more gun control.
This is absolute drivel! Nowhere in Netanyahu's speech did he even suggest support for Israel. Frankly I'm amazed that the ties between Israel and the U.S. remain strong, given our relative at arms length "even handed" stance regards Israel and its enemies.
Truman recognized Israel, but then provided no aid in their desperate struggle to survive in the first days of their nation's existence. The only American President to actually provide real aid in time of need to Israel was Nixon. We've sold aircraft to Israel, but only when we were providing the same support to their enemies (Saudi Arabia).
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seventh century, it seems to me. . the only defense
would appear to be stronger might in the interval
before rationality sets in. . like the patriot missile
system or the shotgun next to your bed, peace through
strength makes sense. . so, we need to do some
serious defensive force invention -- especially for
our citizens abroad. . and our allies. . like israel. -- j
.
This is why they kill other Muslims. The so-called "passive" Muslims are NOT practicing Islam as it is written. they are backsliding Muslims. I am not speaking from a position of hate but of fact, not of opinion but as one who has read the Qur'an and its Surahs.
And before you compare Christianity to Islam, and the Old Testament to the New Testament, there is NOTHING in the New Testament that tells its followers to go out and kill non-Christians. But to preach and proselytize, and God will sort out good from bad in his time, and his followers will not have to do anything.
To the contrary The Qur'an throughout preaches as these verses do.
Terry Kamps Jr. "Educate The World About The True Intent of Islam by Reading The Koran Day”, see these Koran Quotes Koran
Koran Surahs:
Koran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
Koran 3:28 “Moslems must not take the infidels as friends.”
Koran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.”
Koran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.”
Koran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.”
Koran 8:60 “Moslems must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
Koran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Moslems to fight them.”
Koran 9:5 “When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you catch them.”
Koran 9:29 “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Islam), until they pay the Halal Certification Tax (protection tax or jizya) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.”
Koran 9:30 “The Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them.”
Koran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
Koran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.”
Again this is not hate, but showing that the "radicals" are actually just practicing their religion as written.
Sun Tsu: "Know your enemy and know yourself and you will be victorious."
People who do not recognize reality will never win, because they do not understand the mindset of the enemy.
last year, besides still pursuing the emptying of Gitmo
and the destruction of the constitution. -- j
.
I don't think there is an Islamist Bible. Sometimes I think a Pope-like figure (a Caliph?) would force Isalmists to admit they're not following Islam, but I think what they admit doesn't matter. I think they'll fail under the weight of their own bad ideas.
They don't need Netanyahu to prompt them.
In fact my take is Obama hates Isreal he hates their productivity and as we know from his stand point
all success is credited to someone else not the achiever.
I would think he Benjamin N was ineffective as a leader if he didn't want support for his nation.
We have spent the last 7+ years shunning our allies.
During Netanyahu's comments I did not get the sense that he was doing anything but describing Islamic radicalism and their hate of all that is not them. Something our commander in chief refuses to do.
I am not an apologist for modern Islam; I have no affinity for it, but in the past there is evidence that Islam was not the dictaorship of evil that we are schooled that it is today.
https://mises.org/library/discovery-f...
Comment from http://fee.org:
"Free of the authoritarianism that prevailed in Europe’s Dark Ages, Muslims advanced the sciences and applied new technologies. They developed the vital mathematical concepts of zero and spherical trigonometry, and put them to work in architecture and navigation. While Europeans were blaming disease on demons, the Muslims of the tenth century, notes Lane, “were using the entire American medical pharmacopeia of today.” Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad documents the fact that ninth-century Baghdad had 60 drugstores. No Food and Drug Administration stood in the way of medical progress. Surgeons unlicensed by any government performed effective operations with local anesthesia."
The actions of the media whip people into a fear frenzy, akin to fear of flying, when one's chances of dying this way is very low. Scared people make poor, subjective decisions, like trying to take away the freedoms of others, however irrelevant it is to the fear.
My priorities are clear and objective. The death of 50 people my a madman does not prompt me to immediate action other than some sadness anger and a renewed interest in an LtC (which I will obtain when I get to NH), because it is statistically trivial, and no one has proposed a reasonable action remotely capable of controlling the event.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
My set of priorities? For the place I live:
My family and children
Freedom
Correcting the deficit
Limiting government powers
Reinvigorating industry and the economy
...
Keeping Hillary out of power
...
Maintaining military strength
...
Continuing to play soccer
Having a fast car
...x10
doing something about this event
Where does action in this "issue" show up in your priorities, and what do you plan to do about it?
Did the West fall into a Dark Age? Yes. But the Byzantine Empire lived on. The Baghdad Caliphate looted the technology of the Byzantine Empire--and, to a lesser extent, the Jews. And when they erased the Byzantine Empire, they had nowhere else to loot from. And, of course, they failed in their bid to conquer the West. Charles "The Hammer" Martel kept them out of France, and then Ferdinand and Isabella, before they would finance an Italian seafarer named Christopher Colon, kicked them out of Spain.
your argument about letting them develop new weapons is to be taken seriously. However, I wonder just how much these statist societies could really develop. Russia is being kept alive by the western countries buying energy from it. China by the stuff the world buys from them. etc
Now I don't suggest going to war for loot and plunder, i.e., oil. We'd be no better than they if we did that. But I'm not sure I want to sit around and give them time to develop, or steal, an intercontinental ballistic missile with Multiple Independently-targetable Re-entry Vehicles riding in its tip.
Islamists by definition do not keep quiet. The very word means believing that a literal interpretation of religion should be the basis for everyone's life and gov't. That's a radical claim. So radical Islam is the same thing as Islamism.
Modern hatred toward Jews appears to me to be nothing more than envy of their success at capitalism.
The so-called Palestinian point of view is only possible for someone who doesn't know history or religion at all. Arabs have been trying to "ethnically cleanse" the countries they occupy (and any others they can conquer) since Islam was founded in the 7th Century. The Crusades were defensive in nature. It was Muslims, not Communists, who invented the idea that "peace is defined as the condition that will exist after we own the world", and Islam encourages them to lie to, cheat, and murder non-Muslims whenever expedient. Islam is not so much a religion as a political movement of and for total barbarians, and it and its proclaimed followers deserve zero respect. Indeed, they will probably force their opponents to exterminate them before there can ever be peace in the Middle East.
Truman recognized Israel, but then provided no aid in their desperate struggle to survive in the first days of their nation's existence. The only American President to actually provide real aid in time of need to Israel was Nixon. We've sold aircraft to Israel, but only when we were providing the same support to their enemies (Saudi Arabia).
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