Europeans favor Sovereignty over a EU "Super-State"

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 10 months ago to Economics
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Soooo, super socialism takes a hit! But how long can these countries hold out against a constant erosion of their sovereignty? And the fiscal aspect is quite grim as it stands. The fact that there is a push to blur the lines of borders should be terrifying. The UN, and EU, should be regarded as invaders, and dealt with accordingly. The ominous warning bells should be heeded, and the usurpation by the EU firmly rejected. Otherwise, there will be no Italy, Germany or England on future maps. Just one large pink blob, spanning Europe, and threatening the sovereignty of all other nations. Including ours.
SOURCE URL: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/europeans-say-superstate-yes-sovereignty/


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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 10 months ago
    Unfortunately- It's not over till it's over.

    The way I read it is that the newly elected members of the EU have no power. Their chamber is purely for debates, the laws, they call then 'Directives' (!), are made by an anonymous public service.

    Naturally I accept MM's scholarship in his comment. I also go along with
    'better to have free trade and open borders.'
    But 'Ideally, we would have one world government ' is an idea I am uneasy about. It raises the question, should even estimable policies be compulsory? At the risk of being against Rand, I like Balkanization. It means that should a nation want almost any kind of ..ism, being sovereign they have that right and power. Individuals who do like it should be able to leave. As to wars and defense, consider NATO, an alliance that does not limit national powers. To say that within one world government there can be no war is a play on words. MM would know about wars/ revolts/rebellions within the empire of ancient Rome, the overthrow of the monarchy in England, and more.
    Agreed, the recent vote in Europe has some unsavory winners but the expression of dis-satisfaction with the monster is cause for some optimism.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 10 months ago
    It is always difficult and demanding to analyze a complex event where the actors have mixed premises. The objective and irrational collide in the same sentence. Let's start with beer. The claims in the article are groundless because they are historically inaccurate and contrary to the rationale of capitalism. The claim for "nationalism" is a bunch of malarky. Moreover, Ayn Rand warned against this "Balkanization" which leads to wars. Ideally, we would have one world government - a constitutionally-limited government, of course. Anything else is a remnant of the anti-capitalist mentality.

    The principles of free trade allow that even if the Bavarian State Brewery at Weihenstephan adheres to its own duchal decree of 1516, anyone should be able to brew and sell any kind they want. (What if the Colorado State Brewery adhered to the Coors Law of 1971 and Colorado prohibited all other beers?) No one is forcing Germans to drink Belgian beer.
    Moreover, the complaint against EU free trade in beer is hypocritical because the Bavarian State Brewery itself also makes wheat beer (Crystal Wheat, Lite Wheat, Dark Wheat, and Non-alcohol Wheat). They also brew a Pilsner (Plzin in what is now called the Czech Republic). Also from what is now called the Czech Republic comes our favorite here in the USA, Budweiser! Yes, Budweiser beer is a kind of beer like pilsner, stout, porter, ales, lagers, etc., etc., from Budějovice in what is now called the Czech Republic.

    "...what is now called the Czech Republic..." What is now called France... Belgium... Lithuania... The borders of European states always have been fluid. One of the kings of Hungary was Charles Robert of Anjou. Mathius Corvinus is celebrated as the "native" king of Hungary, Slovenia, and several other modern states. For a century, Poland was part of Lithuania. Now Ruthenia is an "independent nation" and not just a place in eastern Romania, which itself never existed until the Wallachians and Moldavians of the former Dacia wrenched themselves free of Turkey in 1877.

    What is France? The land of the Franks? The Franks were Germanic people who settled over the native Gauls, hence the Spanish name "Gallegos" (Gaul) is also their word for "Welsh." Welsh comes from the Germanic word meaning "foreigner." They call themselves "Cymry" like Conan the Cimmerian... very old... Anyway, France was "Isle de France" i.e., Paris. One town, one place, where one king's family s-l-o-w-l-y extended itself. Eleanor of Aquitaine who was married to and divorced from the King of France, ruled a place called Aquitaine, not France. Her sons included Richard Lionheart and John of England. Were they "French"? The Burgundians were always a problem for Paris and France. But today, Burgundy is in France (some say).

    And let's not look into Belgium. No such place existed as a nation until 1831. Then they decided to call themselves a great old proud name from Caesar's Commentaries, even though no actual Belgii were known there. And the nation is half Dutch (Deutsch), half French, and mostly two nations in reality.

    It is true that European socialism, EU centralism, is on the wrong basis. That said, it is ultimately better to have free trade and open borders.
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