Question About the Tunnel Scene in Atlas Shrugged

Posted by khalling 9 years ago to Philosophy
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Alex Epstein regarding AR quote. I have noticed several posts in here regarding Mr. Epstein and his book and Congressional hearing video. I have linked to the hearing, in which he smacks down Barbara Boxer) He is an O who formerly worked for ARI (Ayn Rand Institute) and now heads up his own organization. Thought I'd bring up the topic for those who have read Atlas Shrugged. :
"In Atlas Shrugged, in the sequence dealing with the tunnel catastrophe, I list the train passengers who were philosophically responsible for it, in hierarchical order, from the less guilty to the guiltiest. The last one on the list is a humanitarian who had said: 'The men of ability? I do not care what or if they are made to suffer. They must be penalized in order to support the incompetent. Frankly, I do not care whether this is just or not. I take pride in not caring to grant any justice to the able, where mercy to the needy is concerned.'" -- Ayn Rand
I don't understand what kind of "hierarchical order" AR is referring to here given the sequence of passengers. Anyone know?


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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    the children were innocent. The point was even innocents will be casualties. You cannot escape reality
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago
    Yes. The man in Car No. 1 has the least offensive idea, but the one that lets the leftist step toward all the others in turn.

    As you move down the length of the train, the ideologies get worse. Until you reach the man in Car no. 16.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    The words of most politicians are like peanut butter and jelly spread over moldy bread. Most people hear the words and they sound good, so they never look at the true meanings behind the sweetness.
    In the case of Boxer, she is from a district that is a bastion of irrational thought that turns itself into irrational action. She most likely will never run for anything ouside of that district. She is like the mummy movies. If you take away the wrappings it would reveal the horror underneath.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    they also followed the Plato Kant Hegel Marx, Lenin, present day Democrat, Hillary, Sanders and Soros Secular Progressive line that a select group of people were exempt and worthy of more unearned product for being the thinkers and leaders.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years ago
    From what I could glean from the piece, everyone on the train was guilty. From the mother who was willingly blind to injustice because it promoted her interests, even though she didn't actively institute the looting, through those who actively promoted and instituted the looting, the level of culpability varied, but the underlying theme was the same throughout.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
    the passengers on the train were listed and described as to their reasons in the narrative. I took that to be the order of importance.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years ago
    I would be happy to sink the boat quickly that contained these political and educational people who came out with this drivel. We can start with Obama and Hillary and Harry Reid, and the lady politicians in California- starting with Nancy Pelosi.

    Only the crew would survive. All the politicians on board would not.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 9 years ago
    From my perspective and opinion, I do see the Hierarchical order of guilt.

    Let's look at the situation. You had a mob of people, not in the sense of Rodney King mob, but a train car full of like minded looters and individuals who celebrate the looters, and political pull.

    Only one person possessed the political pull to motivate the actions of the moron, Dagny's brother into doing what he knew better than to do.

    Here comes the Hierarchy from my view.

    A politician with pull playing on James Taggart's personal fear, and desire to stay in the good graces of the politicians, in this case, Kip Chalmers, who DEMANDED James get him moving.

    Kip may not have exercised his political pull had the "mob" not encourage and stroked his self-important Ego, however, to prove his "pull" and importance coerced the disaster.

    The Train was full of looters all sharing the idea that the successful MUST be forced to share the product of their labor in one way or another, so, in my opinion, the Hierarchical order is as follows:

    The Mob, Kip then James who has no spine to stand up to anyone. James naturally subjugated his own personal authority and feeling of accountability by pawning off all decisions to an inexperienced subordinate.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years ago
    Boxer and her I'll are exceeding dangerous. They are anti freedom, anti individual, and true believers they know better how to run your life than you do. They are also anti gun, except in the hands of their armed security.

    "One man with a gun can control 100 without one." Vladimir Lenin
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  • Posted by Dobrien 9 years ago
    Several years ago when I was naive enough to think that people think, I heard This Ca. Senator drivel on about some govt looting scheme of some kind and thought "she is an idiot she won't get reelected" that was over 20 years ago.
    Perfect example of why a one term limit is needed for all of congress. 520 or so other examples.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years ago
    Hello khalling,
    Barbara is a real piece of work... She has the philosophy of a jacka$$. It is that of your train passenger example.
    I find myself amazed, in that I agree with CG's comment.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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