'Honorable Alternative' Gary Johnson Sides With Bernie Sanders 73 Percent Of The Time - Matt Vespa

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Concern. Sorry 20% would be too much for me to stomach.


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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is the same BS the media pulled against Donald Rumsfeld when he made his very intelligent remarks about "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns". They didn't understand it, so they made him look like a fool to their brainless followers -- but to anyone with brains it was obvious that they, the media, were the fools and expected me to be one too. Screw that!

    We will just have to rely on blogs, and on libertarian news outlets such as The Blaze, to get Johnson's message out to those willing to hear it. At least Johnson, unlike Sarah Palin, has the good sense not to panic when smeared by idiots with cameras.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    socialism only works until the other guys money runs out is really right.
    I love that scandinavian proposalon to give everyone I think 2500 a month guaranteed. The first thing that came to mind is that everyone is going to have to make more than 2500 and give it all to the government (who takes a cut of course) for that system to work. So, whats the point really
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt that. His choice of Weld shows either lack of integrity, or a total lack of understanding of libertarian principles. I see nothing in the middle here.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it makes me wonder about him...i would think he would first qualify any "likeness" with fascist/socialist individuals as being on a different moral foundation, so that assumptions are not implied or guessed at...
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    100% of the people should support dropping the illegality of drugs period. We should have learned from prohibition that legislating morality doesnt work. somehow alcohol was bad, but it is OK now that its taxed ????
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  • Posted by scojohnson 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Socialism could never be voluntary, you have the moochers on one side of the aisle that need their government jobs and government public assistance and the freebie handouts, but that has to come from somewhere - the producers on the other side of the aisle that are not that interested in supporting 'voluntary' socialism.

    The only reason I think this socialism stuff is popular with Millennials is because our shitty break-down in schools over the last 30 years or so has left them with a 6th grade education compared to previous generations and they probably think "socialism" means supporting social media and Facebook.

    Just repeal the progressive tax rate, make everyone chip in 35% at the first dollar of income and make it very visible on their pay stub. This shit will go away real quick. It's only because the Millennials don't have much of a career or jobs (read as too-busy looking in Facebook all day), so they don't pay much or anything in taxes yet. Sooner or later they will find out where those 'free' government programs come from and they will swing hard to the conservative right.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I posted below, 50% of Millennials support legalization of marijuana, he's going to chase those Millennial votes after Bernie drops out.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 10 years, 2 months ago
    Here's the problem with this Gary Johnson bit - he hitched his wagon to the Libertarians which are all over legalizing Marijuana. We do business in Colorado and I have a lot of friends there, all that is on the news is the surge of obesity, higher unemployment, and a huge spike in DUI arrests since legalization there. Trying to get it passed again in Colorado for example, would be pretty tough to do in terms of getting votes from people that don't partake in that stuff. The public services costs alone have drowned out the tax yield of it. Lets face it, pretty hard to hold down more than a Wendy's job if you are getting stoned every night..

    Legalization of marijuana is popular with the Millennials (about half), but is very unpopular with Gen X - at most, it's 20% support, we were raised in the times and aftermath of what brought about the war on drugs - huge murder rates that were 700-1000% what they are today. We all know Boomers will vote for dope, but not actually in huge numbers and they are starting to go into nursing homes anyway - it might draw 25-30% support there.

    Here's the rub, it's an issue that is NOT popular among Republican voters, so something close to 10% of Gen X Republicans for example will vote for it, where it is much more popular with the poor / people on public assistance / liberals / etc. - which are Democrats anyway and not likely to support much of the other things on the Libertarian platform and you can squeeze a liberal Democrat for pot-rights anyway. Where they might get a few votes is the Democrat that is opposed to the Hillary anti-2nd-Amendment philosophy and stated goals.

    Do I hope he does well in the election? Yeah, because his pot thing will hurt the Democrats much more than it hurts Republicans to be sure. He might very well draw a lot of Millennials that are not to enthused to vote for Hillary anyway after Bernie drops out...
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He is being honest. You don't mean "reasoning" abilities, you mean cleverness at spin. Johnson has integrity.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Things would be so much better if the elections werent to determine whose OX is to be gored. Its all about who is receiving and who is getting in our crony system that makes it so difficult.
    Presidency should be won on administrative ability to run the country most efficiently as the constitution dictates (with the additional amendment that the government cant take from one to give to another)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 2 months ago
    So I'm not sure I can agree with the survey itself. There are a lot of these questions where my stated position is equated to Trump's position even though he has come out in his statements saying something very different...

    I know I'm going to disagree with Clinton and Sanders nearly 100%, but 87% with Trump? Not buying it...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree, johnson made a tactical error from our point of view. OTOH, he may have been thinking about attracting those who support Sanders but will never support Hillary or Trump. He has to consider the net votes now and weave through the mine field of political idiocy without getting mortally wounded. A little shrapnel goes with the territory.
    For example, when GHW Bush ran for re-election against Clinton he could have changed his stand on gun laws and gained enough votes (without danger of losing a single one) to win the election. But he was Bush and New World Order doesn't want guns in the serfs hands.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 2 months ago
    I found myself about 10% in that camp but in thinking back the questions allowed an additional opinion qualifier and mine were all heavily restricted for one requiring the ability to pay (No Funding No Mandate Rule) and the other restricted to those who truly could not care for themselves or had no immediate family members. Not feeling like taking a job and other forms of moocherism was always required. but 73% is a bit high for my liking.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago
    Could you imagine how the press would treat John Galt as a candidate? Look what they do to Trump at every turn. They ignore Sanders, and only pump up Hildebeast. This election stuff is BS
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 2 months ago
    And it's the first two things that I disagree with...the rest of it is obvious.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Johnson shouldnt have made that 73% comment, given that the media can so easily tweek it to say what they want.
    Sanders is not 100% bad in all areas, but he IS a total statist when it comes to how he should run your life. He is an inconsistent statist who has picked up on the upset with the establishment and figures that fighting the establishment IS the way YOU should feel too.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago
    To the supporters of Johnson, I would just say- "what did you expect?" John Galt would never even want the presidency at this time in our history, and he would NEVER be elected.

    Johnson will never be elected either. It was stupid of him to say he agreed with Sanders 73% of the time, except perhaps he is pandering to Sanders' supporters to get them to vote for HIM.

    I have thought that a Trump/Sanders ticket would be very interesting. It would allow for a LOT of debate and I think Sanders would lose on the socialism side.

    As to voluntary socialism, I really dont have an issue with that. Families are essentially voluntary socialists, although I could argue that the term "socialist" really implies that people are forced to serve others, and therefore "voluntary socialism" is impossible.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 2 months ago
    The most damning single piece of evidence to support this contention: Gary Johnson believes that the globe is warming and that human beings are responsible. Now since most of the shrill voices are calling for totalitarian one-world government "solutions" to this "problem," this is not a viable libertarian position.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 2 months ago
    ...and i agree with you that i would not want to side with anyone who is represented by historical individuals that slaughtered over 100 million people..
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 2 months ago
    i question Gary Johnson's reasoning abilities not to figure that out on his own...
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 years, 2 months ago
    you have got to consider the source of the website posting the questions and results...it is slanted to get you to agree with socialists/facsists to normalize your acceptance of the far left's ideas and positions...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is an interesting quiz.
    Good point: you can specify your own answer if none are right for you.
    Bad point: if you specify your answers, they are counted as not agreeing with anyone, when in fact you may be close to agreement. So you have switch the ones you think are "agreement" and then re-calculate the percentage.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the link, I'll run the "test" I'm curious how I align with the existing candidates. Honestly, I'm sickened by the field and feel removed from the process.
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