How We All Miss the Point

Posted by lrbeggs 10 years, 11 months ago to News
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'They are distractions from what is right in front of you and me and the victims of tomorrow’s shooting: people who need help. And while we’re all fighting over whose pet cause is more right and more true and more noble, there’s likely another young man out there, maybe suicidally depressed, maybe paranoid and delusional, maybe a psychopath, and he’s researching guns and bombs and mapping out schools and recording videos and thinking every day about the anger and hate he feels for this world.

And no one is paying attention to him."

I agree with Manson's take on this terrible issue.


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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 11 months ago
    Because they are killers! Because they are evil in their lack of respect for the lives of others. You can add Holmes (Colorado AMC theater shooting) to this list as well as Nathan Dunlap and his cold blooded murders at the Aurora CO, Chuck e Cheese in 1993. Dunlap shot and killed Sylvia Crowell, 19; Ben Grant, 17; Colleen O’Connor, 17; and Margaret Kohlberg, 50. And our idiot governor Hickenlooper granted him a reprieve from the execution of his death sentence

    "But this “witch hunt” we go through every time a school shooting happens is a total ruse. Elliot Rodger didn’t become a killer because he was a misogynist; he became a misogynist because he was a killer. Just like Eric Harris didn’t become a killer because he loved violent video games; he loved violent video games because he was a killer. Just like Adam Lanza didn’t become a killer because he loved guns; he loved guns because he was a killer."

    EXACTLY!
    And what do all these things have in common? They were gun free zones! Concealed carry was not permitted by citizens who obey the laws. So the first point in this list below should be:
    1. Armed intervention was not anticipated or imminent!

    "There are a few reasons for this:

    They occur in everyday public locations which are supposed to be safe.
    The victims are targeted and killed at random.
    The victims are innocent bystanders and often children.
    The killers leave behind large amounts of material about themselves for the media to share.
    The perpetrator and victims are generally upper-middle class, white, and privileged."

    It is an easy call to stop someone evil. They have earned the bullet.
    Cheers
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago
    Heartbreaking that parents have no resources to act as their at-risk children's advocates. Our health and court systems won't allow it. So often they injure or kill family, friends, and other children. Such a tragedy.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have a similar experience. A close family to mine has a now 17 year old daughter. It was identified early in her teens that she was sociopathic- except it is not legally allowed for that diagnosis to be made on an individual before 16 years old. Lots of counseling and crimes later which she still fools DHS, several escapes and running away, it culminated in leaving her family fearful for their lives. There have been many court dates where the state has refused to let the family take care of their daughter in a private institution and because she has committed crimes and so is in the "system" despite repeated pleas from the parents that she is a flight risk etc, they keep putting her in foster care situations where she dupes everyone. Despite the parents' repeated warnings regarding her M.O. and their fears she will do something truly violent to others, they had no choice but to continually write letters to the Judge and Court making a bright line. Currently, she is in a facility which keeps her locked up, but when she's "cured" or time served, her family will live in fear again. How terrible to bring up an individual in love and only to have this psychological condition change everyone's life. You cannot love a sociopath. Because they are incapable of receiving or giving love. They have no remorse, no conscience, only an insatiable desire to control, out smart. I am hopeful one day we will have successful treatments including physiological solutions. There are few options in our society for protecting people from sociopatheic teens in part because they are not allowed to be diagnosed.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 11 months ago
    I agree too.

    To be a good parent you must really stay connected to your kid(s). It's not easy. I can't help but think that if any of these famous school shooters had better parents they might not have gone bezerk. But...just one man's theory. Many, many parents just mail it in. They get wore out, focus on careers, etc. Meanwhile, Timmy is spending long hours in the basement taking his meds and playing Doom. At least that seems to be part of the pattern...
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 11 months ago
    I don't think people aren't paying attention. I can recall hearing that family members knew they were deeply troubled, tried to get them help, or the help wasn't helping. The next step beyond that is an infringement on individual rights. It's a slippery slope. As one of them said, "if they had searched my room the whole thing would fall apart", but is that what we want? Police coming into our houses and searching because someone said they heard someone say something off base, or because they're anti-social, or weird. (Some people are anti-social just because they want to be, it doesn't mean they're dangerous). So we have to be careful here. The author makes some good points, but he didn't have a solution. I for one will not give up my freedoms for 'safety'.

    On a side note, I have a friend who has a daughter with mental troubles and you have NO idea what it takes to get her admitted for help, and she's a minor even. So perhaps that's where improvements should begin. If parents are begging for help for their troubled kids and they get turned away time and time again, how's that going to end? I sure HOPE obamacare is going to CHANGE that problem.
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