Corruption Is Catching Up to the Clintons and Their Associates

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago to Government
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Well, it seems that the dirty laundry no one wants to address may be bubbling to the top. Maybe there is some limits to looting..maybe..
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 7 years, 11 months ago
    The Obama administration is NEVER going to prosecute her. She knows where the bodies are buried.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 11 months ago
      We shouldn't want the Obama admin to do it, because they can also press for exoneration and pardon her, and she can't be retried for the same crime later.

      The question might be, "Will the Trump admin prosecute her". I suspect no, unless she really irritates Trump in the election. Otherwise, I suspect he'll treat another of the elite, like the elite, so his elite union card doesn't get dirty.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
        Well,....yes. But it still would be really nice to see her finally have to come to terms with some of the crap her and Billy boy have done.
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 11 months ago
          Obama can't pardon her if she is not charged. I hope they wait, but I bet he knows it, and is having the FBI gather all the data to see if it is compelling before charging her. If not, he leaves it ambiguous. If so, he has them charge her, and then drums up a "...Yes, but they all did it before. It was wrong, but we now established a new precedent for conduct. It would be inappropriate to "single" her out..." defense for his action to pardon her.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
            Three major segments. Running for office is no protection from being investigated and having rights read but no pardon. Being elected but not sworn in means can be arrested and pardoned. or not. Being sworn in means no pardon. The middle ground is not really open to interpretation or --- is it.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article...

            a president may not pardon themselves

            a president may not be pardoned for an impeachable offense

            look for those two.

            Not a president until sworn in.

            If elected but not sworn in is that any sort of protection from subsequent arrest?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      That is very probably true, it remains to be seen what the rising chorus of "others" saying she is guilty as sin will do to her. She cannot govern if constantly under fire or impeached.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
      On the other hand OBWomma could be distancing his legacy using the follow on SecState who has no love the Clintonites and wants to clean up the mess she made and left that now reflects on John Kerry. Not to worry there are enough Vietnam vets who remember that POS. and Clintons the only real danger they all face.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      Even she crows that indictment will NEVER happen. How could she know that unless its a political deal struck in a back room.

      I hope the dirt comes out anyway and we all get to see it. Trump is right to call her "crooked Hillary".
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago
    Far too many politicians have their dirt and crimes listed in the Clinton's ledger. There is no way they will be prosecuted, it would be political if not actual suicide.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Indeed, however, Bernie is more ethical than most in that he knows there are rules, and then there are RULES.He also knows Clintons gang is way beyond even RULES, and is not going to go quietly into the night. Trump is already digging up Fosters bones, and Greywater. This doesn't even tough Clinton Cash accusations, which the writer actually has the documentary evidence to back up. She is actually vulnerable, but the Party will be blackmailed into supporting her till the end. Schism is not out of the question in either Party right now (which is neither surprising or something I care about, besides the collateral damage they will all do).
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 11 months ago
        Bernie Sanders' eagerness to avoid diving into the Clinton email situation is the one nagging question about his personal honesty that bothers me. This is so obviously unquestionable, flagrant narcissistic misjudgment (which she readily and frequently admits), even without getting into the possibility of criminal indictment I have to question why he openly and frequently states it is "off limits."

        Even if he never mentioned the FBI investigation, Sanders certainly has an obligation to build a case for her historical poor judgment. Her dismal failure with the health care plan, shutting out the medical establishment from planning. Her support of the second Gulf war against Iraq. Her incitement of American, British, and French interference in the Libyan civil war, with the horrible aftermath of Benghazi and societal chaos (he could do that even without questioning her bungling of the Benghazi incident). The botched "reset" of U.S.-Russia relations. There are many others, but that's a rich field he's left unplowed, maybe simply out of avoiding total alienation her followers who feel the only important thing about Hillary is that she has a vagina.

        Donald Trump has been left to use all of this ammunition, and he's begun to fire the first shots. If Bernie thinks he's been noble and above the fray by avoiding any question of Hillary's credibility as a rightful occupant of the White House, he's shirked his duty to the American people he claims to support. A real Independent (and maybe he should think about running as one to establish credibility for a third party in future contests) would be free to fire away at Hillary to protect the America he says he loves.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          That is Bernies weak link, he does not want to call a turd a turd, if it means spoiling his own litterbox. He will dodge an issue and turn around and rant about the rich, and want them to be raped to pay for his giveaways. He is as dishonest as the rest morally.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago
        O, who no doubt is nose deep in things, will pardon her in the worst case. The fact that people are even talking about these things suggests the best place for HC for everyone is in the ground.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          If he did, he could face impeachment, although that seems rather lame as a threat these days. They are pushing the masses closer and closer to the edge, I think. A smaller and smaller group believe the mantras and religion.
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          • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
            I suppose the new Congress could impeach him between 1/3/17 and 1/20/17, if the new Senate has a 2/3 Republican majority, but that would be a bit too late to have any real effect. Impeachment without that majority is a non-starter.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
              Which is why impeachment is a dud. It relies on the integrity and honesty of the members, who are all as bad as the subject. The last few rounds of impeachment proceedings proved that. It is now a blunt tool made of plastic.
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              • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
                Amen to that. This is why I'd amend the constitution to allow the Supreme Court to remove a president if he disobeys one of their orders.

                Then again, that makes the Court all-powerful, so we need a way to remove Justices, too. Perhaps a recall by the voting public.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
                  That is the issue. When they were obviously bought out and came to the crazy conclusion that corporations are people, and opened the door to them buying politicians, that was when I knew we were in deep doo. There is no check on government now, as any part of it is for sale to the higest bidder. Recalling would be a problematic as any election, in that the "voting public" has been dumbed down to the point they just want to know what whoever is going to give them this week. The congressman who ratted them out a few weeks ago said as much, and also said all they do is promise them the moon with no intent to deliver anything but what their lobbyist owners tell them to. There seems no good answer at this point, since people now are to lazy to want to do any thinking, research, or even read.
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                  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
                    You've swallowed a DemonRat lie. Citizens United has nothing to do with corporations buying politicians (which is called lobbying, went on for thousands of years before Citizens United, and will continue as long as politicians have favors to sell). Citizens United was a blatant attempt to suppress a movie that embarassed Hillary Clinton, and the Supreme Court decided the case correctly.

                    Watch the movie here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQKAa...
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                    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
                      Jan, I have to disagree. From the ruling:

                      (2) This reasoning also shows the invalidity of the Government’s other arguments. It reasons that corporate political speech can be banned to prevent corruption or its appearance. The Buckley Court found this rationale “sufficiently important” to allow contribution limits but refused to extend that reasoning to expenditure limits, 424 U.S., at 25, and the Court does not do so here. While a single Bellotti footnote purported to leave the question open, 435 U. S., at 788, n. 26, this Court now concludes that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption. That speakers may have influence over or access to elected officials does not mean that those officials are corrupt. And the appearance of influence or access will not cause the electorate to lose faith in this democracy. Caperton v. A. T. Massey Coal Co. , 556 U. S. ___, distinguished. Pp. 40–45.

                      The Supreme Court found that:
                      (c) For these same reasons, this Court affirms the application of the §§201 and 311 disclaimer and disclosure requirements to Hillary . Pp. 55–56.

                      They took a basic case of a Non Profit, wanting to ensure that it's protection under the First Amendment, gave it a secure tright to call Hiillary what she is. The Court then decided to throw in a bunch of other interpretations as well, and the one killer was when they said that there is no limit on corporations or groups spending money on ads, as long as they disclose who paid for it (which is what they did to CU). This basically took the teeth out of the BCRA, which was the "fix" for all the money being thrown around then, and opened it up so any one, or corporation, can throw as much as they want into a front organization, and then produce ads etc and it becomes "Concerned Citizens against Sea Turtles" or whatever. That meets their crazy requirements, and they addressed the fact that "contributors may be rightly concerned over their privacy and harassment". This opened the door to all the crap we see now, where it is free season for all the money in the world to be laundered through front groups. So the Lobbyists do buy politicians, they just do it behind a veil of secrecy.

                      The case screwed everybody, but serves both parties equally. They could just as easily struck down a load of decisions where political money has been found legal in many different scenarios, and just told Congress to get their act together and come up with a single law that describes all the political races rules, so it is an even playing ground and money is taken out.

                      Take a look at:

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...

                      https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...

                      Lobbying, even though maybe having been going on for thousands of years, is still fundamentally corrupt, at least when any gratuity, money, trips, jobs, houses, etc, is exchanged for either votes or offices. IMHO, of course...
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
            Its incredible that so many people actually support her at this point, in spite of her "untrustworthy" label. Its so unfair that Trump gets all the negativity, and Hillary skates through it.
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            • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
              I'd sure like to find out how the Democrats manage to prevent their candidates from raining on each other's parades, even when they have contested primaries. If the Republicans or Libertarians ever develop that power they'll become a serious challenge to the D's (which, for now, they are not).
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
                My first guess is that the democrats spend the money to buy lots of ads and get the media on their side. Secondly, the democrats tend to be dependent on a large government to fund their projects and their jobs, so they quietly downplay any bad stuff about their candidates. Its all cronyism.
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
                I was asked to run for an open State House seat by the local Repub group once. I went to their meeting, they gave me a list of "you must support" (which included "against abortion"), and when I told them I would do it if the majority of the people told me they wanted whatever was being discussed, they said goodbye. All both parties want is a mouthpiece that will say and do their bidding, not represent their constituents.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
              That is my dilemma, it is the acceptance by that group of treason and lies and a "they all do it" attitude that is most disturbing.I know people who will still vote for her, who buy into the "vast right wing conspiracy" thing still. Our extinction nears, because our species is too stupid to survive, which was one message I think AR was trying to make.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
                I read somewhere that big societies seem historically to last 250 years plus or minus during which the people forget the principles upon which the society became great, and cronyism takes over. We are about at this point under this authors analysis. It was a historical observation but sounded pretty good to me
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    It is not only Mrs. Clinton. Politicians have been doing this for centuries. Speaking loudly against the corruption of bribery while having monies slipped into their hands and pockets by the people they are condemning. What makes the Clintons unique is the grand scale upon which they do the above and their ability to get away with it by sheer brashness. How do they do it? Is it fear and intimidation? Something is going on. Everytime a white knight dons his armor picks up his lance and goes after anyone in the Clinton circle, he becomes feted like Lancelot, and winds up like Quixote. What happened to Gowdy? Or Isis? Ever since their committees wound down they seem to have melted into the wallpaper.

    Now, finally, the Clinton arrogance has become so bad that even their supporters in the media are having difficulties standing up for them. Note, I keep using the plural, because if you think Bill isn't involved up to and over his naughty bits, you'd have to be delusional.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 11 months ago
      Well said Herb! Keep using the plural because their daughter is up to her neck in corruption, too. Hillary can't even hide her meanness any more. It's all over her face. As far as Bill goes, I think that he is in the beginning stages of dementia. He rambles.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      That is all true, and the power of the Clinton gang to get and spread money and influence is always underestimated. Vince Foster found out the hard way. You don't cross them and live, which is part of the mystique. They make the Mafia look like a gang of schoolyard bullies.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
        At least the female Clinton can't hide her bitchiness. Bill, AKA The Charmer, gives that good old boy smile while he inserts the blade, or some other insertion.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          Well, he can get pretty pissy if you ask the wrong question he doesn't want to answer. Like: "Why did you have Vince Foster murdered?" or the infamous "sexual relations" lie.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 7 years, 11 months ago
    I tend to be a contrarian, and in the face of the long-held opinion of those who rightfully despise her, as i do, I no longer think she's untouchable. The IG report is much more damning than anyone expected. It gives the FBI even more cover to recommend an indictment, which I thought were better than 50% before the IG report. If they do, then, yes, the DOJ will probably not indict. And while there may not be the the mass resignations from the FBI some hotheads predict, the evidence will be leaked. In addition, and I am NOT a Trump supporter, I think "the people" are still craving "change", even more so than in 2008, and like him or not, he's the one now representing change, whereas Hillary really is such old, old news. Again, I am not giving my personal preference for the outcome, just what I think it's going to be. Hillary is dead. The only question is will she be nominated, or someone else, if these problems don't go away. Either way, Trump is going to win, handily.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      I have thought that since 2008, when she was leading and then lost to a stranger, obama, at the last minute, she is a very fragile candidate and can easily lose again.

      This time, Sanders came CLOSE to knocking her off the pedestal for being crooked, and now Trump is starting in on her crooked behavior. Trump and Sanders should debate, and go after Hillary big time.

      Hillary will never do anything for Sanders if she gets nominated, and of course she will do nothing for Trump (or us for that matter) if she wins the election.

      I will donate to help make up the $10m Trump wants to go to charity.
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      • Posted by MinorLiberator 7 years, 11 months ago
        That's definitely a part of my reasoning. Everyone, and I mean everyone, assumed it was "her turn" in 2008. Inevitable. Oops. And in 2016 it's just been a Democrat rerun of the same theme. But everything's changed. It really has. In spite of the MSM excuses and hype, Obama is a huge failure to most people. Even to a significant number of blue collar Democrats and young people. And Hillary is not seen as "the woman whose turn it is", but as a continuation of Obama. Bernie didn't get the support he has because he's been such a brilliant politician hiding his candle under a basket in Vermont. Gimme a break. A large part of my contrarian analysis is based on the fact that, in spite of the hype about "16 candidates and Republican's divided", that's all over and forgotten. Dems want Wasserman gone (oh, please, God), a majority of Bernie supporters on the convention rules committee. Less than a few weeks ago I thought (and yes, I am quite old enough to remember '68) the violent demonstrations would be in Cleveland. I'm not saying some won't be there, but I now think they'll be bigger and more negative to the voter in Philadelphia. And divided. Democrat vs. Democrat. The Republicans, once again based on a recent change in data, polls, etc, are going to, grudgingly perhaps with some, rally around Trump. The inevitable "anti-Trump" violent rallies will be against him, and, like '68, the voters are going to say: "Damn, I'm voting Republican, don't care who he is"...
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
          This is the anti-establishment election of 2016. Enough of the corruption and the antiquated "rules" which keep the establishment in power and restrict our selection of president.

          I do think that Trump will continue to tell us the emperor has no clothes (as would Sanders for that matter). Sanders is a real wacko when it comes to the socialism stuff, however, and I think pretty easy to defeat on that basis. His popularity is really anti-Hillary popularity. Trump and Sanders should "debate" and both can be anti-establishment "friends" of sorts. The differences between them are really pretty much obvious- and they are essentially who is going to pay for the freebies Sanders would be in favor of. Who wouldn't want the freebies if there was a money tree out there that didn't have to be watered. But of course, there is no free lunch today as there wasn't in the 20th century motor factory in AS.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
            I would say Bernie is more "Anti Democrat Party Today" which is the same party Hillary and Bill took over, and have been taking over for 20 years or so. She never fell off the radar, but bided her time, and there is a huge Clinton gang ensconced in the Party. They do not own the people, though, and are too arrogant to consider that a threat. If enough votes are tampered with, you could elect a baby duck president. The move to electronic voting, mail vote, "get a drivers license and vote even if not a citizen" programs, have all been the tools they have set in place to "get what is rightfully theirs". Do not underestimate their ability, there was a metric butt ton of fraud in 2012, and yet nothing, no one, ever got prosecuted or was any investigations done. They took the hanging chad problem and turned it around.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
              I think we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the two party system. There are really 5 parties today led by Johnson, trump, Cruz, hildebeast, and sanders.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
          That is very sound logic.The only wild card is the impact of information sources today. The Obamanation has been installed with a whole gaggle of special interests who saw "their time" had come. And it did. We have had 8 years of total incompetency and brazen abuse of law and justice. Of course there was similar, but much less obvious abuse in the time before, but the last 8 years was so blatant, a much larger crowd of uncommitted people who stood by in the last 2 rounds are now clearly fed up with it, and will take anyone who will put an end to all of it. Or just go back to the old ways.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Could be, but never underestimate the power of the purse to buy others loyalties, even to the point they will willfully ignore law. Happens all the time. Look at the Obamanations Justice Department. In 8 years it has unfailingly prosecuted those they dislike, and have actively chased people that would otherwise be let go. The logic the Democrap masses will use is: If she wasn't indicted, she can't be guilty and it is a smear by the evil right wingers. Truth be damned, lies be told.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 11 months ago
    curious as to the timing of these and other revelations about the email scandal, so close to when Hiltery will lock up the democratic nomination...could there a be a pardon for delegates swap between HillaryBeast and Obama if she would release her delegates to Joe Biden....
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago
      As to what her lawyers can do without making her look more guilt in the way of not enough time to run a trial but enough to file injunction requrests? Still going to be hot front line news. See the cartoon on her today?

      but enough time to fire up GOP convention proceedings. Popular vote as a preference statement is over with now it's convention delegate votes that count but first the rules committee. Then the electoral college. Long long way until the votes that count are taken.

      Democrats could use a four year distance after the shame of Obeyme. Sanders gets rid of Wasserman and disappears. Hillary gets her day in court and disappears. Kerry comes out looking like a hero wannabe.

      All they need is the GOP side of the left wing house to keep following the script. How long has it been since the Demos didn't benefit from a GOP President?

      Reagan? 28 years ago? four years from now is 32 and enough of Kerry's baggage might have made it to Laurelwood Final Estates.

      Think they aren't Machiavellian enough? What do you think the last year has been all about?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago
    There's just something overwhelming about Shillary that makes me think of a song played by a rock band that came out of my "Sweet Home Alabama."
    "That Smell" is about some guy's drug use, but the all the piled up plain as freakin' day corrupt excesses of Teflon Billary has come to stink worse than a heavily used 1890s outhouse beside an Alabama public park on a humid sweltering Fourth of July.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAJQk...
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      That is a perfect description of the Clinton Gang, I had to steal it to my FB page. They are just like any addictive substance, and attract weak minded fools looking to feel good, or get rich, or get something. When they get done using you (or us), they all end up like Vince Foster. Thanks Dino!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    Allen Kane knocked sharply on the door of the double-wide, and in a few moments it opened.

    "Good morning, Ma'am," Allen said as he suppressed an involuntary grimace. "My name's Wade. The Director sent me to speak with you." He held out the credentials of an ATF agent he had killed two days before. The woman peered at them momentarily through her thick glasses. Then she opened the aluminum screen door and ushered Allen Kane into the drab surroundings.
    "What is it now? More hearings again?" she asked as she turned to close the door. Allen glanced around, confirming that no one else was nearby.
    "Nothing that complicated," he said as he withdrew Wilson Blair's Beretta 92 from the zippered folio he carried, jammed it in the woman's mouth, and pulled the trigger. The steel-cored 9mm 'Cyclone' bullet went through her soft palate and blasted a hole out the back of her skull. Brain tissue and cerebro-spinal fluid sprayed onto the wall as the slug chopped though several layers of drywall and came to rest in a 2x4 at the far corner of the structure. As the slide cycled, the front sight chipped one of the corpse's front teeth.
    The shapeless body collapsed in a heap on the floor. Allen Kane wiped off the gun with his handkerchief.
    He wrapped the cloth around the pistol's slide and haphazardly pressed the grip against the dead woman's right hand. Then he tossed the weapon four feet away onto the cheap carpeting. He took an envelope from the pocket of his suit coat and tore the end off it. He shook it, and out fell a folded note which landed on the floor next to the corpse.

    I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY read the words which had been printed in felt-tip
    ink with the aid of a ruler.

    (above Excerpt from Unintended Consequences by John Ross)
    http://www.amazon.com/Unintended-Cons...
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