Money is the barometer of a society's virtue

Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 9 months ago to Economics
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After glancing at someone else's post on the Federal Reserve, I think it is time to recall Francisco d'Anconia saying,

"“Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion–when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing–when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors–when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you–when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice–you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot”.

What do you have to say about where we are now?


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My book is on how to teach nanotechnology laboratory syntheses and characterization tools, as well as how to put together a program in that area. Low cost is something I am driving for in order to get as high an adoption rate as possible. No such book has come out precisely because of the high cost and low degree of equipment sharing in nanotech.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is your book on putting together a nanotechology lab for low cost? The reason I ask is last year I read Makes: The New Industrial Revolution, and it talked about how the barriers to entry into biotech research are lower now b/c of maker-related technology. I wonder if the same thing is happening in nanotech. If so, such a book would be really popular. Even if nano and maker are 2010s buzzwords and don't revolutionize the world, the buzzwords are still going strong.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The premise of this is many people holding dollars as a long-term store of value, which is a bad idea and almost never (in my personal anecdotal experience).

    People who I've known well enough to know how they run their business and household finances tend to keep less than 20% of their net worth in cash accounts. They certainly exceed that briefly if they sell something and they know they want to buy something else and pay the tax bill for their gains on the previous deal. So it sounds like histrionics to me when people say the medium of exchange is the single most important business decision people can make.

    The risk to that 20% of net worth in cash positions is nothing compared to the risk of a bad decision on our part taking a huge toll.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The scandal that Obama was never really tied to was the home mortgage bubble. While a senator, he took the third most money (behind Dodd and Frank) in DC from companies in the mortgage industry under the auspices of making housing affordable for everyone. Bush was certainly culpable here, too. By lowering the barometer for money, America became less virtuous. See the top of this thread.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is why I converted some of my assets to Au.
    The other problem is that instead of 10% reserve banks,
    we had mortgage companies with only a 2.5% - 3.5% reserve
    back during the housing bubble.
    Do you remember Countrywide?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The original social programs of the FDR era started us on the pathway, but I think we could have still turned around up to Johnson's "Great Society." At that point, I think it was lost.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps I missed it as the typeface is small and the line spacing very dense, but I missed the discussion of fractional reserve creation of money - as it does do so.

    Just for those who might be reading this and don't understand how this comes about. A bank receives deposits and makes loans - paying interest to the depositor, and charging interest to the debtor. For a 100% reserve bank, the deposit is held 100% by the bank. There is little ability for the bank to make money as the majority of their reserves must be held in trust for the depositor. This does little good for either the depositor (as they get little interest), for the bank (as it cannot loan out the funds it is holding and thus charge interest), nor for the community as much of the capital lies unused in a bank vault.

    Most banks operate on a fractional reserve system - they are only required to keep a fraction of the deposits on reserve in the bank or as collateral. So, for a 10% reserve bank the $1000 comes in as a deposit, and $900 of that is used to provide loans. The money used by those loans is used to purchase capital goods or real estate, the beneficiary of such purchase then depositing those proceeds in the bank. Thus, at the end of the first round, we had $1000 from the original depositor, a loan valued at $900 as an asset, and a second deposit of that same $900 from the purchase of the capital good or real estate. This process continues in cycles with the second round providing for $810 to be loaned (with the 10% or $90 being retained in reserve), and so on and so on until all money has been loaned that can be loaned, and all original money deposited is actually held in reserve by the bank, but instead of backing only the original $1000, it is backing the original deposit, and each subsequent deposit. This is very beneficial for the bank, as it is charging interest on the same money multiple times (the original $900 loan is paying interest, the additional loan of $810 is paying interest, the next loan of $729 is paying interest, etc. etc. etc.). Now let's sum up the "money" in the system. We have the original $1000. We have a loan obligation of $910. We have a second deposit for $910 and another loan obligation for $729, and then the deposit of that money, and so on and so on. This grows to a value of $10,000. So that original $1000 has "created" an additional $9000.

    This would be OK so long as the payments on the loans happen on time and faithfully and so long as no one wants their money early. Once the payments on loans stop, or many depositors want their money now, then this system collapses.

    So, how does that affect our current situation? We have a federal reserve that has been pumping more and more cash into the system trying to keep things moving forward. To do so, they have taken the place of the borrowers - thus the Fed has "purchased" goods and in so doing "deposited" funds into the banks, which then in turn loan those funds out to others. But soon, when inflation inevitably begins, people are going to want to take their deposits out to purchase goods today that are deemed to be less expensive than they will be tomorrow. And then the collapse will begin. The first round will be limiting the amount of cash that depositors will be allowed to take out at in some period of time (the thinking being that they will then go out and purchase more capital goods or real estate and the benefactor of such sale will again deposit those funds back into the bank providing the funds for subsequent withdrawals). That could conceivably work if the withdrawn money were merely being plowed back into more capital and real estate. Unfortunately, it is likely to be invested in hard currencies. So, the dollars will be converted to gold, silver, platinum, etc. As less cash is available, the price of those hard currencies will rise, which will necessitate even more withdrawals from the banks to purchase hard currency, which will further deplete the reserves requiring the loans that back the deposits to call due the money owed, requiring those holding the loans to extract whatever savings they have to pay off the loan.

    It will be a vicious cycle and only those who were prescient enough to see it coming and converted notes to hard currency will survive.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 9 months ago
    Seems as if we passed that point some time ago, I'd peg it to the late '60's.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The primary problem with non-monetary payment is the ability of the government to value and thus tax that payment. How much tax are you required to pay on a bushel of apples received in payment? Perhaps you received that payment from an apple orchard and a payment for a similar service provided to a doctor was in the form of a physical. How much was the service valued, the bushel of apples, and the physical? To the participants, they were valued equally, but to the gov't they might have very different perceived or desired values. And even if you could value them objectively, how do you pay 10% of a service or a physical to the gov't? And what would the gov't do with 10% of a bushel of apples?

    No, they want money (or an instrument that can be easily translated into money) so that they can tax and take their share.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can look them up. If I go to court over a contract breach and I win, the court will say that dollar bills are good for all debts private and public. This means I can contract for any thing I want, but if it has to be enforced, then I will be paid in dollar bills. This sqeezes out other mediums of exchange. The only purpose of legal tender laws is for govts to be able to counterfeit
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please explain what you think the so-called "Legal Tender Laws" are. As CircuitGuy said below, you can deal in anything you want (within limits). Your patent clients could pay you in apples. Like any other market entity, the government certainly should be able to borrow, issue instruments, etc.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 9 months ago
    "What do you have to say about where we are now?"
    I think she doesn't mean money but rather wealth. That why she talks about getting richer by graft then by work. This is correct and a problem for the US.

    What we use to trade is not important. We have more media of exchange than in other times. No medium of exchange is free. We have to lug it around, protect it, keep track of it, and monitor its changing value. No medium of exchange on Earth maintains a constant value, so we have to update our pricing regularly. It's easy today to change our menus and edit our contracts. The important thing is having control over our wealth: our equity in companies, our real estate, our personal property. If I want to sel an apartment building and use the money to buy a contract manufacturing business, it doesn't matter what I use to exchange. If I use USD, I will lose a few thousand dollars over a few months while the money sits in the bank. No medium of exchange is free. I would use some obscure thing like some famouswork of art if I knew the apartment buyer hand it and the CM seller wanted it. In this case, I'd probably spend a few thousand appraising it and storing it under guard. Media of exchange aren't free. I'd rather use USD b/c more people will accept them in trade.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Paul,

    It would be a mistake to have a government (legal tender) gold standard. If we repeal legal tender laws, then we would have a good start towards real money and ending the FED.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I almost put this quote on to your thread, but it seemed like such a long quote would be a little distracting. After I am done reading some other Gulchers' books, hopefully I will get to yours. When am I going to finally finish my own book on nanotechnology laboratory? I am too distracted.
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  • Posted by paulnathan2000 11 years, 9 months ago
    I wrote a book on returning to the gold standard and the meaning of money. You will find many articles on gold at my site paulnathan.biz.
    As Ayn Rand said, it would be a mistake to try and return to a gold standard in these times since we just end up going off of it again and gold and capitalism will get the blame.

    My article distinguishes between the government that is undermining money and the Fed that is not -- which Milton Friedman agrees with. I suggest that we end the Fed's mandate to fight unemployment and end their ability to control the fed funds rate, the only interest rate they can control.

    This would be a first step in a transition back to a gold standard which will take a major transformation in economic and politics. As I said in my book "The New Gold Standard", we will return to the gold standard on the wings of capitalism -- and not before.

    Thanks for that wonderful quote.

    Paul Nathan
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