Are earth based utopia's possible?
Writing out my beliefs to express to a member here raised a question about the rationality of a Utopian society on Earth (Atlantis included). Are these shiny models of who we hope to be, no matter what the origin or endpoint, not what amounts to unattainable goals that we strive for but cannot, for a variety of reasons, obtain?
Human nature is fixed. The Founding Fathers saw this and created an environment which catered to human nature while providing for a modest amount of structure to galvanize a society based on self reliance and supply and demand. The didn't strive for paradise and left paradise to the individual to carve out for him/herself whether on Earth or in an afterlife. The Founding Fathers, as private citizens, just wanted to be left alone todo what they wanted.
Socialist and Communist Utopia is unattainable because of human nature.
Objectivist Atlantis may well be the same. Sure 10, 20, or perhaps 50 people could get together to form their own group but the reality of human nature will cause that group to splinter, the more people in the group the faster the splintering.
At its core, is not Objectisim a lifelong effort to strive to be...just live every other belief out there? If you don't think so, how?
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I have to add, I'm not trying to stir things up by committing the Objectivist equivalent of blasphemy or to besmirch Rand, Galt, Objectivism or any Objectivist in any way. I do honestly wonder if human nature prevents us for reaching that high-bar that many people strive to grasp.
Human nature is fixed. The Founding Fathers saw this and created an environment which catered to human nature while providing for a modest amount of structure to galvanize a society based on self reliance and supply and demand. The didn't strive for paradise and left paradise to the individual to carve out for him/herself whether on Earth or in an afterlife. The Founding Fathers, as private citizens, just wanted to be left alone todo what they wanted.
Socialist and Communist Utopia is unattainable because of human nature.
Objectivist Atlantis may well be the same. Sure 10, 20, or perhaps 50 people could get together to form their own group but the reality of human nature will cause that group to splinter, the more people in the group the faster the splintering.
At its core, is not Objectisim a lifelong effort to strive to be...just live every other belief out there? If you don't think so, how?
PS
I have to add, I'm not trying to stir things up by committing the Objectivist equivalent of blasphemy or to besmirch Rand, Galt, Objectivism or any Objectivist in any way. I do honestly wonder if human nature prevents us for reaching that high-bar that many people strive to grasp.
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He kissed and put his head on each of the characters. For me time stood still and the rush of a well executed plan and surprise , his reaction far surpassed my expectations
I will never forget that experience.
I have experienced personal utopia , although it is fleeting, many times.
I will be prepared to enjoy with tremendous satisfaction, life at its zenith as it presents itself in the future. I know I am not alone in that regard with many others in Galts gulch online forum.
Its a sad reality that human beings can only hope and strive to suppress and rise above their nature. Unfortunately, if we manage to do that we're no longer human.
Anyone looking for an "Objectivist Atlantis" will be very disappointed, or gain a better understanding of Objectivist philosophy.
Now to be serious . Probably not until you can get all thinking people to agree on what constitutes perfect when most can't spell tweet.
But read the actual definition and then read a bit further
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u·to·pi·a (yo͞o-tō′pē-ə)
n.
1.
a. often Utopia An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects.
b. A work of fiction describing a utopia.
2. An impractical, idealistic scheme for social and political reform.
[New Latin Ūtopia, imaginary island in Utopia by Sir Thomas More : Greek ou, not, no; see aiw- in Indo-European roots + Greek topos, place.]
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Utopia (juːˈtəʊpɪə)
Ready I shall tell you where to find Eutopia. Two choices., Maybe more.
The sound set of a Hollywood reality show?!?!?!?
I had to stop there from LMAO and barfing
Second Choice.
The White House with a decent human being in the oval office.
Second Hand Used car lot with an honest sales man or sales woman. uuurrrrpppp sales staff?
A place where PC doesn't make you baaaarrrfffff.
A place where the plumbing can handle a steady line of worshipers kneeling to the toilet gawd RrrraaaalphhhhHHHHH! You wretch you! and his sidekick Heeeeeaaaveeee!!!!
I added those last one's in honor of the current occupant of the Offal Ophphphiss.
Your Honor I rest my case if can take a joke bark at the moon.