That boy was our last hope (no, there won't be another...)

Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Seems that Libertarians are really LINO's - Libertarians In Name Only.

Watch the video starting at 30 sec. mark - and be amazed at the LINO's view of the 2nd Amendment. The "choice" is now between a dictator/socialist Trump, a Marxist moron Bernie, a member of the shitiest family in America - still un-convicted Hillary, and "I just want to be President" Johnson. There is a common threat between all of them, though - no philosophy or morals of any kind, among any of the prime flotsam in America.

Seems like all roads lead back to Hillary…. Heil Hillary, our next and last President!
SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmkahsMO1PA


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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
    Tell me about it. He lost me on his blabbering about guns that serve no hunting purpose. Definitely NON-Libertarian.

    The Left pounds and has pounded this fallacy of Separation of Church and state from the Letter Jefferson wrote to the Church of Danbury as providing the intent of the First Amendment and Congress shall pass no law...

    Here is a Letter from Jefferson to his 15 year old Nephew regarding Guns. This should tell you all you need to know about the intent of conceal carry, self-defense carry, and any other concept you have when it comes to carrying a pistol, or gun on your person, and "WHEN" they intended you to carry.

    1785 August 19. (Jefferson to Peter Carr). "As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Jefferson to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785, in PTJ 8:407.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
      Guns are for hunting? Who can afford that sort of activity anymore. It's cheaper by far and much more affordable to head on down to the butcher shop.

      Besides most people these days would puke at the thought of eating bambi. It's not a brave new world out there anymore. It's a sham.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 2 months ago
        Years ago I bought a 12-guage pump and some bird shot when invited to a dove hunt.
        Now that shotgun is loaded with triple-aught buck and kept within quick reach of my bed.
        I don't care to buy the pickup I'd need for deer hunting. No, I also don't care for dents in my car's roof, thank you very much.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago
        I happen to know some expert hunters depending on the season and the location, they do deer, elk, moose, bear, etc. They like the big game. They use rifles, pistols, and bow& arrows. They butcher their kills and sell the hides. There are 2 brothers and a friend. They are not alone. There are thousands like them all over the country. Hunting is alive and well in America. Personally, I'm pretty much the guy Michael is describing. I punch holes in paper. Even when I wasn't disabled, spending a week in the woods under whatever weather was not my cup of tea. Killing Bambi, or any other innocent creature gives me the collywobbles. And I prefer the sounds of a flush toilet to the woodsy human spore. It takes all sorts.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 6 years, 2 months ago
          I'm with you, Herb. 50-some years back I did hunt squirrels, and then went hunting deer with a buddy. Saw only females (illegal targets there and then), pulled a bead on one just to see how it would feel, and knew I couldn't stand to pull the trigger. Unloaded by shooting a whiskey bottle way off in the woods, end of story.
          So in my book, guns are necessary for self-defense; less against criminals and much more against our Rulers.

          So
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          • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
            There is no mention at all, as far I know, anywhere in the Constitution, the Bill of Right or any relevant documents about the "right" to hunt. Only the right to defend yourself from enemies internal and external.
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      • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
        Trying to follow all the rules and regulations for legally putting Bambi on the table in VA, it quickly becomes obvious that there are less rules and regulations involved in shooting people than Bambi.
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    • Posted by BrettRocketSci 6 years, 2 months ago
      Yeah, he lost all credibility with us on that statement!
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
        Which picking a VP with that attitude, does not say much for Gary Johnson's personal judgement on personal liberties. That to me makes him totally unfit for President.

        "I also have a concealed-carry permit that allows me to carry a concealed weapon. I took the time and the effort to get that permit because the constitutional right to defend yourself doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That doesn’t apply just to me either. It applies to all our driveways or front doors. That’s why I’m very much in favor of making all concealed-carry permits valid in every state. Every state has its own driving test that residents have to pass before becoming licensed to drive. Those tests are different in many states, but once a state licenses you to drive, every other state recognizes that license as valid. If we can do that for driving— which is a privilege, not a right— then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege. That seems logical to me. The Second Amendment has been under attack for a long time."
        Trump, Donald J.. Crippled America: How to Make America Great Again (Kindle Locations 1329-1336). Threshold Editions. Kindle Edition.

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        • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 2 months ago
          I'd be much more comfortable with Trump if he had not been in favor of gun control in the past, and if he made it part of his platform to reverse all federal gun control laws to prove his committment to the real meaning of the 2nd amendment.
          I'd like to hear that from every candidate including Johnson or whoever is chosen at the Libertarian convention. If Johnson doesn't pick a non-statist VP, his Libertarian candidacy is finished.
          Trump's comment about concealed carry still leaves personal security as a priviledge controlled by unconstitutional federal laws. It's a red herring, not a support of the 2nd amendment.
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          • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
            Well said. I viewed the Libertarian ticket as a philosophical protest. With a certified statist on the Libertarian ticket, the philosophy is out the window. Perhaps Johnson thought that so many people are dissatisfied with all the choices that he now has a realistic chance, so let's flush the philosophy, along with principles and morals, and squeeze into the mainstream. I think he misjudged.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 2 months ago
              The Libertarian Party has a history of applying principles in choosing candidates. If that continues, then Johnson either changes his VP choice or loses his chance to run as a Libertarian. imo, Petersen is overjoyed by this and his candidacy odds just improved immensely.
              If Johnson relents, chooses a liberty-loving VP, and rationally explains his mis-step, then he can still prevail.
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          • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
            Just to point out. Ayn Rand promoted "REASON".

            So I have to ask. Would you respect a person who changed his views based on REASON, or one who dogmatically sticks to a view regardless of information and fact?

            Next does running for President, mean by definition you MUST hold to 20 year old opinions regardless of said facts and changes in views based on REASON?
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            • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 2 months ago
              That's the point. Trump hasn't proven anything about his alleged "change." Based on all his past statist tendencies including support for gun laws and this very narrowly framed comment that only supports carry weapons for those approved after an application for permission, I think he is a statist weasel who is carefully misleading people in order to get support from a large group of voters for which he has no respect. It is reasonable to use caution and not to accept without question what a politician says when he is running for office, especially when it conflicts with what he said before he was running for office.
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            • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
              If a person changes his view based on Reason, then he should be able to present that reason. Trump never did. If Trump was making a mistake in the past, he, or anyone else, cannot correct that mistake unless he admits to it. Trump never did. But realistically, Trump was anti-2A at the age of 50. That is a mature age (for most people); at that age a person has as much knowledge as he'll ever have (for all practical purposes). If Trump needed another 20 years to mature..., well, that doesn't bode for him too well. The truth, of course, is that he is a statist whho made his money in a statist system, but now he calculated that he can get more disenfranchised votes than statist vegetables like Rubio and Ryan.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 2 months ago
    Does anyone read party platforms anymore? Here is the Libertarian party's platform adapted in 2014. If you like it better than those of the other parties, vote Libertarian.

    https://www.lp.org/platform

    The only trouble is that nearly every libertarian candidate for president has no idea what a libertarian should believe.
    My favorite was the first candidate who seemed to be a libertarian: Roger Macbride. After him it seems to have been all downhill.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 6 years, 2 months ago
      First LP candidate was John Hospers in 1972.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 2 months ago
        Sorry for that brain fart or like Joe in "Joe and the volcano", I have a brain cloud. I recall a book "LIbertarianism" way back, was that by Macbride? It made sense to me compared to many of the candidates over the last few decades.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 6 years, 2 months ago
          Actually, Hospers was the author of Libertarianism. He was a philosophy professor at USC. His VP running mate was Toni Nathan. They were only on the ballot in two states, I believe, but they did receive one electoral vote cast by a "faithless" Republican elector from Virginia, a state Nixon won. That elector's name: Roger Macbride. Macbride then became the LP presidential nominee candidate in 1976. Here's your trivia question for the day: Who was the first woman to receive an electoral college vote? Answer: Toni Nathan. You can win a lot of bar bets with that one.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
    You might call me crazy but I am all on board with Trump since he announced last summer.

    Nothing in my support is emotional, only empirical.

    One thing to consider is the old, "What's in it for me." thinking. so I have to ask myself what does Trump get out of this? I cannot think of one thing he gets from this other than trying to fix a seriously broken system for his grand kids.

    If he is elected, by law he has to put his entire Global enterprise into a blind trust and his kids will have 100% control. He has to give up his 757 which is bigger, and nicer than AF1. He has to give up his Helicopter which is much nicer than Marine 1. He has to move out of his 100 million dollar gold plate penthouse to live in the Whitehouse that was infested with Obama's for 8 years. Trump has to give up for at least 4 years all his personal freedom and is placing himself, and his entire family at physical risk.

    If someone tells me it is about his ego, then I reply fine. Then if that is the reason, I am betting he will work like a fiend to make sure he proves everyone wrong, if for nothing than the sake of his ego.

    In my neighborhood, we have 20 families, and there are only 4 that are not Trump supporters, and we have one black family and one interracial family. So based on my middle-class neighborhood, those polls are not accurate showing over 58% would prefer someone other than Trump or Clinton.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      I don't agree with your analysis of the reasons that Trump wants to be the president. But that is irrelevant. His reasons or intentions, along with the intentions of anyone else, are irrelevant. What is relevant are the results, or the expected results. Trump has shown very clearly that he is a socialist. He is a different flavor socialist from Bernie and the Criminal, for he does intent on "Making America Great Again," but intentions do not make greatness. No one ever doubted Hitler's intentions to make Germany great again; the results were different.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
        I would also put it to you Hitlers intentions were well published LONG before he took power.

        Mein Kampf (German: [maɪ̯n kampf], "My Struggle") is an autobiography by the National Socialist leader Adolf Hitler, in which he outlines his political ideology and future plans for Germany. Volume 1 of Mein Kampf was published in 1925 and Volume 2 in 1926.

        Hitler came to power in 1933. So if you wanted to KNOW Hitlers intentions all you needed to do was READ his book. Hitler spelled it all out. This makes your comparison also invalid.
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      • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 2 months ago
        So in your mind using the term "making 'blank' great again" is equating the speaker to an evil 'fascist' dictator? That's like me saying 2 + 'blank' = 4, so anything + 2 = 4!

        I do not understand how one can mistake a nationalist/conservative with a socialist/communist; is our educational system that bad that we do not understand the definitions of these words?

        I understand the gov't run educational system is using miseducation tactics to dumb down and control the populous, but really people SELF EDUCATE, STUDY, LEARN and TEACH those around you.

        I was a Rand Paul supporter, then looked at and researched Rafael Edward (Ted) Cruz. Ted looked good going by FoxNews, but he isn't a natural-born-citizen of the U.S.; How do I know this? Simple, He has a Candian citizen Birth Certificate, He admitted to being a Canadian citizen and in 1970 any child born in Canada as a Canadian Citizen could only be Candian NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP ALLOWED!

        Canadian immigration law from 1946 until 1977 made it impossible to be born in Canada with dual citizenship status.

        From there I moved to Donald Trump, every bit of research [NOT SOUNDBITE NEWS] shows Donald J. Trump to be a true blue American citizen, he helps the poor, steps in to save a person being mugged, hires the best person for the position (hire a woman to lead the building of Trump Tower in 1981), sent his Jet to fly home service men and women when they no way to get home to see their families for the holidays, sends his jet to fly impoverished individuals that can not afford much-needed healthcare to the hospital for treatment [even Jewish children].

        He pays his people fair, and more then 98% of his employee's and former employee's trust and love the man; yet people that seem to not study this all important choice make senseless comments about him, why is that?

        All of all those running I gladly pick and side with Donald J Trump
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        • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
          I assure you that I am not a product of our wonderful taxpayer paid for and elitist controlled uneducation system. For one, I'm too old for it.
          The definition of a "nationalist" is somewhat vague, and so is the definition of a "conservative;" especially since the "conservatives" have muddied the meaning beyond recognition. But the definition of a socialist is still easily obtainable - government control of production methods, along with redistribution of the results of production. You mentioned that Trump runs his businesses well, focuses on merit and rewards it. That is well within a socialist or a capitalist envelope. Socialism generally results in poor performance, but not always and it certainly has nothing against merit. But that does not take away Trump's graft-based, crony-capitalist (e.g., socialist) basis of his business and his mentality.

          As to where he was born, pardon me please, but after this issue did not prevent Barack Hussein Obama from running the country into the ground for at least eight years, I'll be damned if I should be concerned about Cruz's Canadian roots.
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          • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 2 months ago
            Strug, You would have to be 80 yrs old to have avoided the gov't education that was designed to enslave you more over the creation of this system is over 103 yrs old when Woodrow Wilson first started working to implement it.

            On Socialism; you confuse Socialist and Capitalist; Capitalist needs to make a widget that is desirable and pay a wage that is acceptable to keep the needed quality of worker involved in production; whereas the socialist state just needs bodies to do what it wants when it wants...which is why it is so close to communism it is almost funny that people would want it.

            You can bad mouth Trump it is your right, but because the GOP was so weak it let a possible non-N-B-C run this republic [into the ground] for 8 yrs, remember it is said he was born on American soil, you want to give another corrupt politician, yes corrupt; he knows the U.S. Constitution by heart and as a 'lawyer' knows how law works as well.

            Enjoy your time..
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            • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
              I had the benefit of private schooling, so the onset of government indoctrination was delayed for me. And socialism does not necessarily mean a direct command economy. The days of Stalin and Mao are over (I hope). Regulation and taxation are gentler, kinder means to accomplish the same goals.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
                What socialist system does not have that. You may not use Norway, NZ etc as they are a capitalist economy which has or plans to implement some socialist policies.

                in other words capitalism with a conscience.

                Go for it
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                • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
                  I would fundamentally disagree with your statement above. First, the term "capitalism with a conscience." Capitalism is the most fair, equitable and productive system that humans have ever known. It has lifted several billion people out of abject poverty and misery that were the result of all other systems. Capitalism does not need a boost of "conscience" from other murderous systems.
                  Second, Norway, NZ, etc., are socialist systems that are smart enough to allow a little bit of highly restricted semi free-market to boost their miserable socialist systems. They're also good at re-labeling propaganda, where the suffocating socialism is called "good," while the liberating capitalism is called "evil."
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
        Please provide proof and evidence of said claim. People said the same thing of Ronald Regan...

        Show me your "socialist" agenda evidence instead of what I see as nothing more than empty talking points.
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        • Posted by dwlievert 6 years, 2 months ago
          Excellent point strugatsky. It reminded me of the comment made by "V" in the movie "V for Vendetta."

          Following injecting her, she has awakened, and knowing he would eventually come for her in his Vendetta, he has injected the sleeping doctor who was responsible for the mass murders in which he too was intended to have been a victim. Shortly before the results of the injection have manifested, whereupon she will cease to exist, she is explaining to him that her intentions were but the most "wonderful" and beneficial to all. He calmly replies, "I have not killed you for what you had intended, only for what you have done."

          Hear hear!
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        • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
          Fair question. Trump made this point numerous times - to keep American manufacturing (and other businesses) in America, he intends on making a very high tax on those companies that outsource and increasing the tariff for the imports. That is a completely socialist / protectionist approach. Exactly like Venezuela. It will also result in the same outcome as in Venezuela. More importantly, it shows Trumps utter lack of understanding of economic theories and principles, just like Bernie. Actually, in this case, just like Adolph. If it wasn't for the slave labor, Adolph's Utopia would have collapsed very much sooner. Stalin did exactly the same thing, with the GULAG's providing a never ending source of slaves. Using the formula that Trump champions, the world stage has shown that only two options are possible - no slave labor, resulting in Venezuela, or slave labor resulting in the Next Reich.
          Oh, as to Ronal Reagan, since you brought it up - aside from helping the Soviet Union bankrupt itself (no small achievement; full credit for that!), look through all the laws that Reagan signed and you will find that all of them were against liberty (gun ban, for ex.) and to increase the size of the government (new agencies, new regulations, ...). Reagan was very much a socialist, as evidenced by his actions, not his rhetoric.
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          • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
            First, the references to taxing companies that outsource, I agree is over the top. Tariffs though which is part of the United States Constitution are there to promote FAIR trade not free trade. Although if no country tariffs another then it does become free trade in itself.

            You say Trump has a lack of economic understanding, I would reply that is a blatantly false claim based on his net worth, hit companies success, and the 10+ billion dollars in assets globally, with only 500 million in debt. I do not think you can support a claim of economic ignorance based on that 40+ year track record and his companies current state of liquidity.

            I know two people who worked for the Trump organization one for over 20 years, she left New York and works at Home Depot. She keeps telling me Trump is about meritocracy. Be productive or "You're Fired" that does not sound socialist to me.

            Next Venezuela is a very poor example in your comparison as is Hitler in every way.

            When I refer to Regan, I do so in comparison to Jimmy Carter, and I apologize for not providing that context.

            Trump has indicated numerous times that he wants to get rid of Dept. of Education and EPA ASAP. Sounds like smaller Government to me. Also, the States have their own EPA and Dept. of Education no need at all for Federal versions.


            I will not belabor the arguements for or against states controlling these things and regulating them as they do because personally I would like to see the vast majority of it all go away.

            However, we are faced with reality, and we do have to play the hand we are dealt. Our hand will consist of Hillary, Trump, Johnson. Johnson's choice for VP blew him out, and I was not really much for him in the first place. Johnson has spent too long in politics for my taste.

            Where are the "Galt's Gulch" presidential candidates? Lots of talk but not many actually stepping up and running for office.
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            • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
              Let's start with the point that we do agree on. Compared to that Carter moron, Reagan was a saint. Agree. I suppose the same argument can be made comparing Trump to that Bernie moron. However, in the classical definition of socialism, e.g., government control of the means of production, Reagan was a socialist.
              If Trump actually gets rid of the EPA, Dept of Ed and a few others, for good measure, I, for one, will publicly applaud him. We shall remain hopeful.

              Now, as to Trump's understanding of economics. Certainly, he built an amazing empire. But was it built on free market principles or on socialist graft? Remember, Trump was a big donor to the Clintons - why? and to other powerful socialists in both parties. If you know anything about construction business in NY, then you must know that pretty much all of it is built on graft. (First-hand knowledge here...). So, yes, he did build a $10B business, using similar methods to Putin's $100B business. And, btw, except for Greece, countries don't really have bankruptcy protection, so going bankrupt a couple of times and re-bounding is really not a good option.

              All of the above still leaves him preferable to the certified moron and an about to be certified (finally) criminal, but is this really the best out of 330 million people? (would have been 350M, but I subtracted the 20 million undocumented ones).
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              • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
                Then your first hand knowledge knows you either play the game or you do not. You will appreciate this then.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDG...
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                • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 6 years, 2 months ago
                  I was working for a major computer company back in 2000. I had to deliver a huge IT infrastructure, with full redundancy and synchronous replication to provide the 99.999% uptime.

                  Had to deal with two separate unions since the locations were across the Hudson from each other. It took some "creative" financing to provide the appropriate "motivation" for the unions, and even the building inspectors, so this could be delivered on time.

                  NetApp has been on hold in Colorado for the past 6 months on their building because their Program Managers do not know how to "motivate" the local zoning board to approve the "zoning changes" that came up halfway through the already approved project.

                  So it is easy to say Trump did all those things you indicated, but to succeed is not limited only to Trump, and EVERY business that wants to succeed in certain places either plays the game and succeeds, or they do not and either end up wearing cement shoes with a view of the ocean floor, or they are just pummeled into financial oblivion.
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                  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
                    I understand that Trump had to do what he had to do. I do not blame or look down on him for that. I have also had businesses (much, much smaller...) and I too had to do what was necessary. Maybe this is one of the reasons that Trump hates Hillary so much (as if one needs to look much for a reason...). However, his stated approach to economics shows that he is part of that same system. This is not a religious, but a historical example to learn from - when Moses took the ex-slaves out of Egypt, he made them wander for 40 years over an area that can be crisscrossed in a few months. The idea, as I'm sure you're aware of, was to make sure that every person with a slave mentality dies and only those born free would have a hand in building a new society. Trump has been a part of the corruption for too long to expect him to be different.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
              Those are your three choices the rest of us have other choices and have discussed them at length. Regurgitating; the same talking points again and again is good for wasting time I'll grant both of you that. But you could have read the files. The discussion started long before you bought your ticket.

              Once again. We suffer thorugh boredom...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 2 months ago
    If Johnson goes into the convention with Weld as his VP, Johnson will not leave the convention as the Libertarian candidate for president. Weld is a fatal mistake.

    From the Libertarian Party platform:
    "We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition."

    Weld is not libertarian regardless of his claim.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago
    What?
    You-all going back to the Utopia question? Look at every candidate, no - Better still, look at every politician. The Democrats are all DINOs, The Republicans are RINOs, the Libertarians are LINOs. Pretty soon I expect to find HINOS, (Humans In Name Only.) None of them are really who they say they are, but in the past they were able to conceal that. Today, possibly because of a contribution of social media, they can't seem to hide who they really are. Your choice is between a Marxist who never held a real job, a felon, a philosophy-free ethically challenged businessman, or a false Libertarian. Hoowee! What a choice. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. And yet, the best choice is?
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      In the past, voting Libertarian was a conscious decision to raise a philosophy flag and to make a statement. At least I thought that there was philosophy behind it. Now that it's obvious that there is no philosophy, why raise that flag? The world has always gone through cycles of moral expansion and contraction. We do seem to be unfortunate enough to be witnessing yet another contraction. So, yes, for some time to come, perhaps even centuries, many will be turning into HINOS.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago
        "There's a hell of a good universe next door
        lets go."
        -- e. e. cummings
        Good old Edward Estlin Cummings got it 90 or so years ago. The problem in life's roller-coaster, just like the ones at Busch Gardens is that you can't get off until the ride ends.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 2 months ago
    2nd amendment is not about hunting at all. Hope he doesn't find common ground with Gary Johnson on this.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      I think that the intentional misdirection of the purpose of the 2A is done by the Statists so that if enough people hear it often enough, they will start believing it. I think Stalin either created this formula, or fine tuned it.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
        Goes back to Marx and Engels and perhaps. If you tell a lie enough times it will become the truth. Might have been Lenin. He also said you cannot teach Marxist Economics. One must preach it as something to be taken on faith not understood with facts. Those that insisted were taught dialectics. Being as ping pong ball kept their minds busy and off more serious subjects.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 6 years, 2 months ago
    The Libertarian convention which will choose the party's nominee for president does not happen until this coming weekend. If the vote goes the way this nationwide poll of Libertarians is going, Austin Petersen will be the Libertarian candidate, not Gary Johnson: https://www.lp.org/poll/poll-3-who-do...

    In case you can't see the poll results, Petersen has 50% (8050 votes), Johnson has 31% (4956 votes), and McAfee has 11% (1685 votes).
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 6 years, 2 months ago
    Of those choices Johnson is by far the best. He is also much more sensible and moral imho than any of the other three.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      Johnson had other issues, indicating that he too has little knowledge of economics or philosophy. I am continually amazed how people with so little education continue to rise to the top. I see this at work, where the least educated have meteoric careers and the educated ones slave away. Maybe education is a trick to keep out the competition?
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      • Posted by voodoo59 6 years, 2 months ago
        Education by itself (regardless of the amount), without any real-world experience, is the most dangerous form of ignorance. I can think of a couple of recent Supreme Court appointees who were obviously educated well beyond their intelligence. The correctly educated person is usually reluctant to step into the rotten morass that is politics.
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        • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
          I did not mean to imply that education alone was all that is required to run the country or to progress in many endeavors. It is just that education is a required requisite, without which these people should really not be considered for anything past hamburger-flippers.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago
    Too bad Trump cant get Gary Johnson as VP. The one thing trump CAN do is blast apart the establishment and leave a crack open for education of the populace in libertarian principles
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago
    Hillary is an evil witch who doesnt deserve to even live in the USA. She doesnt "fight for us" at all, she "fights for herself only". The sooner the people who vote for her realize that, the better.

    At least Trump tells it like it is. We know where he is coming from, and its from a lot better place than Hillary.

    Sanders tends to be honest and anti-establishment too, but he is a real wacko when it comes to government. He should go live in Venezuela for a while to see how socialism has worked out in practice....
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      The concept of socialism is to steal other people's money. To do that, it has to be implemented where other people have money. That's why it attaches itself to countries that were doing well and then sucks them dry. Think of it as a virus - it is not quite alive, for it can only live while killing its host. Then it goes dormant until it finds the next host.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
    If it starts going for cold embers I'll throw some more gas on the fire. GRIN
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
      So? With four socialist candidates according to what I read we've now pinned down the placement of Libertarians. They no longer I guess have floatability? (There's one gallon.) Trouble is that leaves zero candidates for those who view the constitution as the center and I noted the objectivist party is not associated with the objectivists or have their endorsement. That leaves all 257 of them. out in the cold.

      What next? Second Gallong?

      What would it take spell it out - if you can? What is your sacred ground what can be put aside until alter. If you have one.

      Third gallon.

      Really what difference is there that is so earth shakingly different it would entice me to vote for that particular movement. Please do not say vowels especially if you are Spanish speaker.

      Muy Vien.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
    You are wrong. That man is not your last hope boy.

    Your last hope however is one you aren't going to like. Your last hope will be turning on your boob tube and watching the opening seconds of the latest fro the Oval Office. And seeing the individual behind that big desk wearing four stars on each shoulder.

    The country and the Constitution were wasted on civilians.

    Not having ranted I shall return to being very objective.

    How long will that take to impilement?

    24 hours
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
    So now the final nail has been driven into the heart of any opposition to the primary socialist candidates by accusing without proof the Libertarian Candidate of being a Romney Socialist whatever that means.

    Congratulations. Are you working for the National Socialists such as Trump or the international Socialists such as Clinton or Sanders?

    How can I say that. The Same way that it was said about Johnson and Weld.

    For sure being from Massachusetts or Cconnecctticcutt or one of the back east places or having driven through there is enough. Need anything more be said. Here we are just starting to hear about some one and they are treated as if they were a black islamic. Guilt by geography. Guilt by association

    Straight up hands down objectivism? No this smacks of the someone who learned their trade working for Pacifica.

    One might expect guilt by heritage especially those eastern European names

    And your answer this this diilemmamama?

    I'm no Libertarian but I'm not from Northern Idaho either.

    Right. State your Common Thread. Trot out the facts in evidence. I have a feeling you've received these sorts of requests before.

    If the final 'last hope' is to be tarred and feathered without trial we mights well get some useful milage out of it.

    "Seems like' is not evidence... the road leads or it doesn't lead. So far your dog hasn't chewed gone much less gone hunting.

    Then when you have done so in a proper objectivist manner I'll show you how it's done.

    It was after all me who first likened the rhetoric of Donnie Boy to Ominous Parallels in a proper objectivist manner
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
      I'll add this. Most sat on their couch potato while all this was happening. Most are still sitting on their couch potatoes and and damning any and all suggestions or fixes or alternatives and in doing so making sure their version comes true. Congratulations 2A and the document that constained it IS gone. and most sat on their ass while the final nails were driven into it's coffin Dec 31 2015.

      Some are stirring long enough to make sure that last statement is not unexpectedly overturned.

      So where was all this brilliance when the subject was first brought up? Just waiting in the shadows just like all the other times. The litany of woe and despair and hopelessness makes me sure you weren't worth the effort

      One really has to wonder how much they are getting paid.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
    We have a lot of BS tiypes that say they can never win. But let's look at the numbers.

    Democrats at the start of this were given 29% of the availavle to vote people.

    Republicans were given 24% of the eligbile voter pool.

    That's 53%

    Libertarians an point to about 10% that's 63%

    But they are also looking at 16% plus in practical terms or 67%.

    That leaves 37% remarkably close to the amount that aren't registered.

    The left is offering three candidates until the Libs got on the ballot in all fifty states there was no opposition. The left in one guise or the other had Trump and Hillary and Sanders

    Do you think the left really cares which one wins? No evidence of that.

    Half of the extreme left the 'international socialist'; camp say they will not vote for the other half. 29 divded by two is 14.5. Suppose half of that was actually true. and Hillary was able to keep 7.25. Trump getting 7.25. wow 21.75. versus 31.25 except some would suddnly say.. hmmm I'd rather not vote at all and

    the same applies to Trump's 24% In the end the numbers get very very close. between Trump and Clinton. about 26.5 each.if every registered voter votes and there are other opportunities;.

    remember the lost 1/'3rd of the available pool? maybe ten percent would get excited and say wow we finally have represntation. Libs now are at 26%

    Whose going to be the two or is it three major party after the fateful day'?

    78% voter turnout? it could happen with this one.

    if the toilet flushers back their words with deeds.

    Point is in THIS electiojn season we've already seen weird and have at least three weirdos running as if they were the only ones.

    Don't look over your shoulders Bernie, Hilly, and Donny, and if you do whatcha going to do when the public comes for you????

    Now if we could only just get along and act objectively instead of like Plato the 531st or taking terms flip flopping.

    Not a skeptic but just MA the cynical realist or realistic cynic.

    The foregoing was a political comment based at least in part on objectivism with a bit of wishful thinking thrown in. What if they gave an election and no one took the day off to visit Mexico or Canada?

    And i approved it. for sure it's in the realm of possibility except for the skeptics and socialist roaders
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 6 years, 2 months ago
      Addition just in....

      Poll: 58 Percent Of Voters Considering Someone Other Than Trump or Clinton

      https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
      495px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_SkidmoreHillary_Clinton_Testimony_to_House_Select_Committee_on_BenghaziWe have been discussing the bizarre situation of the two major parties nominating the two candidates with not just the highest, but unprecedented, negative numbers with voters. The presumptive nomination of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have renewed calls for reforms to challenge the control of a duopoly of power in the country. This week there are new polls showing not only that Trump and Clinton are roughly equal in the high rejection of the majority of the voters, but 58 percent say that they are considering voting for someone other than Trump and Clinton. That could be a huge boast to the Libertarian and Green candidates this election. It also may reflect the dangerous gamble of the establishment in the Democratic party in securing the nomination for Clinton.

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      I do not rest my case....In this election anything is possible and nothing should be discarded under the shop worn meaningless mantras of the left about couldn't possibly win or don't flush your vote. The only flushing to be done is the present rejected single party two faced system and they should be flushed straight away with five back up plunges to put the fairly in the sewer system.

      I had to laugh at Sanders saying picking between Clinton and Trump was choosing the lesser of two evils. His point of view is by far the greatest evil facing this country .

      But let's say half of those negatives split their votes. 19.5 going to the libs 16 is 35% becomes the winning percentage with the rest in the 20's.

      Presuming the Rinos don't dump trump which they still can do and easily. Challenging the stolen winner take all votes is stil an unsettled issue and that rule already in place is still on the books for this convention.

      The numbers can't be easily disputed. It's the other two parties polls that provided them.
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