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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 8 months ago
    Let me point out the obvious! This whole "transgender" schtick is nothing more than this president's slight of hand trick that he uses so well.

    It has nothing to do with the rights of Transgenders (.3% of the population) but rather it is a way of diverting everyone's attention, especially that of this moronic group known as the mainstream media. They pick this "initiative" up and carry the water for our "Pretender" in Chief.

    All the while, he is working feverishly in the background with his administration toadies, doing immense damage that is not being covered. What better way than to divert the attention of the American public than taking a totally illogical initiative and making it a "centerpiece" that everyone is concerned about (after all it affects the "children"). Out of sight! Out of mind - mission accomplished!!!

    Check out his new directives and agency rules/regulations - incredible!
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    • Posted by roneida 9 years, 8 months ago
      fosterj717...you should be writing news pieces or at least a blog....Brilliant description of the current occupier of our White house and his bootlickers. What a disgrace his 50 year term has been - and still is. He brought "change" for sure. he, and Bill Clinton's wife" will eventually go away, but the real danger is the millions of idiots who think these communist/socialists are right and will continue to slavishly vote for the freebies and feel good huggy nonsense. If one wishes to change their identity, rock on but don't force me to love and worship them for their perversions.. leave us fuddy duddy straights alone and we will reciprocate.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 8 months ago
    It's sad to see real transsexuals, most of whom spend their life seeking privacy, being used to promote a "sexual revolution." The "Gaystapo" appears to be seeking to push the envelope of acceptance to the breaking point, even if it puts transgenders under unwanted pressure.

    I've had gay friends and have worked with transgendered business associates, and most of them have been very uncomfortable with being pushed into a public spotlight. Most disenfranchised minority members in society can point to economic damage due to their situation, but the average income of the gay community is actually higher than the national average. This has been due to Americans willingness for behavior not harmful to others to have unspoken tolerance, and a recognition of the talent and diligence of the "different" among us.

    Government intervention in civil rights for American blacks terminated the process of peaceful integration into society taking place in the early 1900s, setting up the more agonizing confrontations that came to a head in the 1960s. It appears to be making the acceptance of sexual variance headed to the same conclusion.
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    • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 8 months ago
      It's only going to get worse. Welcome to the new War on Gender.

      In my area, there's a group called "Beyond Binary" who go into schools and preach to the children that gender is wrong and should be thrown off like some kind of old raincoat, which of course implies that it's also wrong for people to have a sexual preference.
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    • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 8 months ago
      This correlates to my experience with casually knowing a few transsexuals, they are private and sensitive. In fact that seems to be true of the majority of the homosexual community that I have personally known.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 8 months ago
    "The time has come," the Walrus said, "to speak of many things,
    Of shoes and ships and sealing wax,
    Of cabbages and kings,
    And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings."
    The Walrus and the Carpenter -- Through the Looking Glass.

    The above poem makes more sense than the whole transgender kefuffle. Surgically altered? You are now a different sex. Not altered? Sorry, use the bathroom with the those who have the same genitalia as you. That will eliminate the degenerates and pedophiles. Sorry if feelings get hurt.
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  • Posted by SBilko 9 years, 8 months ago
    If you can make someone believe that a man is a woman or a woman is a man, you can make them believe anything that you say. And that is the point...
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 8 months ago
    Not quite sure why 99.7% of the population has to have a loss of privacy to make this tiny slice of the population feel good. Their right to swing their fists ends at my nose. Disabilities cause inconvenience to those that have them. Why should the travails of such a small group have to impact my rights. I actually have them too!
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 8 months ago
      Look at what has been spent on accommodating the handicapped with ramps and doors and bigger toilet stalls, etc. They have certainly impacted our daily lives; but then they are also an ever-growing proportion of the population. Privacy? How are public urinals private?
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 8 months ago
        Just because government robbed me to pay for handicap stalls in bathrooms and ramps into buildings does not necessarily follow that they have the right to inflict themselves upon me in other ways. I am surprised that on an objectivist website like this you woud Express an idea like this. In addition I will point out thay a urinal and privacy, it is hardly the same thing to stand next to another male in front of a urinal or to have men in the women's restroom it is a completely different thing and completely against custom. I hardly need to remind you that men and women are not the same. perhaps in today's more "enlightened" environment I need to! There are a few inalienable Facts of Life that mr. Obama and his minions keep trying to ignore and the fact that men and women are different is one of them. The male is chock-full of hormones that can cause him to be aggressive to the female. You can quote me situations all day long where nothing bad happens but in the great scheme of things bad things do happen why invite them? Just to make some person who either has an unfortunate mental deficiency or just a flat nut bag, comfortable.
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        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 8 months ago
          Ah, so you are saying that men driven by hormones have no control over their impulses to jam their member into any female within reach. Well, that was Mohammad's belief as well, which is why he had the women all covered up like walking tents so as not to arouse the lust of his wild Arabs. Would you have all women today dress likewise because your hormone-bursting brothers are unable to restrain themselves?

          And why would they go to the trouble to make themselves look like women, just to prey on women in women's rooms that are all tiny stalls with doors that lock?

          This whole tempest in a peepot is religiously driven. It's time the religious start to act on their own belief that everything is the will of God, and that God created people as they are. Stop persecuting people for how God made them. Maybe God likes variations in his genders, or is looking to reduce the birth rate by removing a segment from the breeding herd. How dare they question their God's will?

          Of course, as an atheist I accept people as they want to be, as long as they don't deprive me of my freedoms. Vive la difference!
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          • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 8 months ago
            You my dear lady are using is typical Nutjob liberal technique of introducing a red herring into the argument and trying to put words into the mouth the other side in the discussion. You even introduce religion into it which is not something I even mentioned in my post. Your last sentence was the most interesting "Of course, as an atheist I accept people as they want to be, as long as they don't deprive me of my freedoms" the point of the matter here is that our dear leader in Washington is trying to deprive all of us of our freedoms and customs. I'm glad that a collectivist whack-job like you is exposing themselves to something as alien as objectivism, hopefully one day you will wise up and realize that collectivism and central control just don't work. That is what this all is, a power-play by Obama in an attempt to homogenize and Collective all of us into mindless sheep so we can be controlled.

            Oh by the way.......news flash...... atheism is a religion too. You my dear are just trying to push your religion off on everybody else as well.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
    Had a funny conversation with a client the other night. We were talking about how this whole thing has taken over the discourse now. He and I both are not in favor of it. Very nice guy, in his 80s now. I joked that if I could have I would have been showering with the girls after every football practice. He said, "Sure, but at that age you'd probably (swinging his had in an upward position)." We both had a great laugh over that.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 8 months ago
    What is the problem? Maybe taking showers together and using the same restroom will remove the mystery of the opposite sex that seems to cloak our culture. In France, as an example, I had to go and “the place” was next to stairs leading up to a patio. While I was busy, a lady nonchalantly said “bonjour” to me as she ascended the stairs. In San Sebastian, Spanish Basque country, they had outside “places” that looked like poles with four positions around the pole. These were located on the public streets. My wife took a photo of me to prove it to US prudes. In any event, relieving oneself is a long way from erotic, at least in my mind. Could this whole ruckus be insignificant?
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    • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years, 8 months ago
      That it it is insignificant is the whole point. I have observed the same things in different cultures, and the key word there is "cultures". The differences are culturally based on long history, not moral choices in any respect, simply, long standing preferences. That makes the US "standard" no more "prudish" than it makes Spanish Basque behaviors "liberated". And as others have pointed out, the insignificance of the issue is the whole point or, as I like to think of it, "game". If you can raise an insignificant issue to the level of "rights', supposedly akin to self-defense or private property, you devalue the important rights, and also distract the MSM and public from much more serious violations of rights Obama is perpetrating with his f***ing pen. For example, the recent change to overtime rules made by the administration will have a massive and negative impact on the economy, perhaps even more than the current significant increases in the minimum wage. Yet, except for a brief story on Fox News, I've seen no discussion of it. "Not as important as bathroom rights". To anyone truly familiar with the theory of limited, Constitutional government, the idea of government using force to impose a "right" to use a specific bathroom is beyond the absurd. The "unimportance" of the issue is what gives it, in this context, its importance. We cannot let the insignificant and meaningless issues of the day go unchallenged, and treat them as if they were important, as the important issues slip by unnoticed.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 8 months ago
        My first words were: What is the big deal? Besides, cultures are in constant change, perhaps it is time to change this. The Puritan view on sex that pervades the US has been constantly declining, and that is a good thing. But, it still sticks its ugly head up now and then. Today's newspaper reported a lady convicted of prostitution and she got 4 1/2 years in prison for it. Although not an Objectivist by a long shot, George Carlin said (restated): Why is it illegal to do an act for money when it is perfectly legal to do the same act for free? To me, the conviction proves "traditional Christian Values" are alive and well.
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        • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years, 8 months ago
          I totally agree with you on the issue of the prostitute. I would estimate that the vast majority of "crimes" in this country are "victimless crimes", and would not be crimes in a fully rational society. But I hardly see the "bathroom issue" as being as closely related to "Puritanism" as is outlawing contraception, certain sexual acts done in private, a woman's right to choose and so on. I don't think the State should be involved at all in the restroom, either keeping things as they are, or making, or rather, forcing, radical changes. The NC law in ridiculous, but correct in the sense that it does not impose its view on private businesses. By trying to expand this to a Title IX issue, Obama is barely a step away from doing so. And I still believe the correct approach to what is only a distraction from larger issues is to not take a side, but point it out for exactly what it is: an intentional, unimportant distraction. If change is going to come, let it happen naturally, as it should, by individual businesses, large and small, making their own choices on what type and what rules apply to their bathrooms, and deciding whether it's really an issue or not.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 8 months ago
    I am transsexual. I wend through the entire process including surgery 25 years ago. I can't tell you how disgusted I am to have people like me be a political football in some dumbass "culture war". I am really pissed that I have to worry, after all these years, whether I will be accosted using a public women's room in some states now. What a stupid regression.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
      Well, you just wanted to lay low and be who you are. This government won't allow that. You must be used to divide. You'll be thrust into the heat of battle because there's money to be made and power to be brokered.

      As a straight man and father I am not concerned by anybody in your position. I have a client who has done what you have. What I'm concerned about is pedophiles taking advantage of this. I'm concerned about little girls not being granted privacy in a locker room or restroom.

      Thanks for sharing...
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 9 years, 8 months ago
    As a libertarian, I believe in allowing people to live however they wish as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. The Trans issue is difficult for me as far as children are concerned. I have a hard time with parents accepting that a prepubcent child claim to being Trans is making a true claim. On the other hand, I understand if they are making a true claim, that puberty is going to make some irreversible changes to that person's body that will make it more difficult to pass as their claimed gender as an adult. So I believe this issue should be handled on an individual basis and in a phases over time method to gear everyone's comfort concerning the issue. No change (good or bad) to society is accomplished in great leaps, but by small steps where everyone is comfortable and are allowed to see what the consequences are before they become irreversible or stopped.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 8 months ago
    My understanding was that it was NOT a law, but something like a regulation. If anything, it encourages more notoriety to people with that persuasion. Stupid.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 8 months ago
      Regulations are laws. Try to ignore a regulation and the law will come down on you with the ultimate threat that if you fight back hard enough, you may end up dead.
      Regulations are just laws that bureaus write because Congress did not have the guts and time to get them passed. A regulation is just as much a noose about your neck as is a law. There is nothing goodie-goodie about them, mostly nudging people to believe that they keep society safe and orderly.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 8 months ago
    I moved out of the PRC not long after this law was passes. It seems that the majority of the politicos there have lost touch with reality. My wife was a school councillor and was instructed on how to deal with such situations. If the girls are uncomfortable with a boy in the locker room, the school has to provide a safe place for them. Now, if I were the School Superintendent I would sue the state for the money to build two more locker rooms.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 8 months ago
    What is the problem?

    The only reason that you do not want teenage boys showering with teenage girls is that boys are sexually aggressive. But I do not see that being applicable here. If she becomes aroused in a male way, that would disqualify her from the girls shower. However, she would be in equal danger then being forced to use the boys' shower. It may be an intractable problem.

    But so far, it seems not to be a problem.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
      "The only reason that you do not want teenage boys showering with teenage girls is that boys are sexually aggressive." Well, that's not the only reason. But, after that do we need more reasons? LOL! It is my understanding that Federal money is attached to this program.

      I keep thinking that the government should no longer be in the business of school...
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 8 months ago
      Since you have never been a girl during your puberty years, Mike. You don't understand and never will. Girls can be so shy about their own bodies at that age, they do whatever they can to keep the other girls from seeing them naked in the locker rooms. It's not right or fair that the government steps in and insist these girls now have to shower or appear in the locker room with someone who is sporting a penis.

      Not all those that call themselves transgender are legit cases, some are just mentally ill. There is a disorder for it.

      I'm just grateful my girls are grown and I taught them to avoid public bathrooms whenever possible. This whole subject is so stupid.

      Our President needs to stop getting his policy ideas from Netflix rentals.
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      • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 8 months ago
        Mimi "...getting his policy ideas from Netflix rentals." That is classic. As to your first paragraph, having raised three daughters, I can attest to your accuracy. BT
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      • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 8 months ago
        Believe me that you don't do this and go public on a lark. You certainly don't go so far as to get hormones. Transgenders and especial transsexuals have been treated a long time and there is a very large body of standards of filtering out those that either are not primarily transgender or have other issues making it problematic for them to go forward. There is not such mental disorder that masquerades as this.
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 8 months ago
          You are in a denial. Maniac-depressives can sometimes present as gender confused. Mind you, in a full-blown manic state they are more likely to think they are George Washington, but to say it doesn't happen is not facing reality. In fact, I would wager there are more cases of manic-depressants masquerading as gender-bends than there are cases of real biological-challenged examples.

          Regardless, there comes a time where we have to face our imperfections with a certain determination not to allow it to define us or become a burden to others. If trans-whatevers are not comfortable with private arrangements but are comfortable in arrangements that make others very uncomfortable who the hell needs them or cares!

          But that's the beauty of our socially-instructed society: who would pay for this fact to see the light of day.?
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          • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 7 months ago
            You are an ass. I was well tested for any possible other explanations before I was allowed to go through the change. Keep your armchair diagnosis to yourself.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 8 months ago
      You can't have it both ways. A TS girl is female in all but body parts, not male. So calling her him in one context and her in another does not work. Also when she goes on hormones she is chemically castrated so the boy parts are not exactly a threat. But frankly almost no TS wants to be naked in front of others with the "wrong" parts. That is intensely embarrassing to most to say the least. So the answer is to have the TS teen shower etc separately. That is likely the best solution.
      But the bathroom crap is just stupid. Women aren't looking at each other's parts in normal bathrooms with stall with doors.
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